General Motors is giving away free T-shirts

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Amdiggidy

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Originally posted by: Doug117
OOS -- boooo

Yep.

"T-shirts. Wow! You loved these so much that even our models are out of shirts! T-shirts will be back soon."

 

jakedeez

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Not only are they giving away tee shirts, but they have cut their dividend and fired a bunch of people, yay!
 

Ktulu

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Originally posted by: jakedeez
Not only are they giving away tee shirts, but they have cut their dividend and fired a bunch of people, yay!

please don't make this into another GM bashing thread
 

TekDemon

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lol as a stockholder I'm torn between whether giving these away was a waste of money or a good marketing promotion for their E85 capable vehicles...

Either way, thanks for the free advertising! lol
 

LuckyStrike

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Shirt came today....almost four months after signup.... but hey it's a quality shirt and arrived just the right time....Thanks



Lucky
 

navyac

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Originally posted by: ntdz
So this is how GM plans to get out of debt...give away free shirts?

actually GM is not in debt, they are surviving off a 40 billion dollar surplus they obtained when they were the king of the auto world. Unfortunately, they are running in the red at a tune of 10 billion a year. So very soon they will be in debt.
 

vaylon

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As for GM'S e85 plan, it will be about as popular as the ev1. Just a big waste of money.


I am always suspicious of the american big three when they start to taught something.

Besides ethanol cost more to produce than they sell it for. And it has almost no beneficial impacts as compared to gas or diesel.

More green propaganda and marketing than anything.



And they still didn't give me my shirt.
 

Googer

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I want to save GM so I will not take them up on this offer. GM is on the verge of extinction and needs to save all the capitol it can get. They can keep their shirt and their $$$, because whet's good for GM is good for America.
 

Captante

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Originally posted by: texasfury

Still on the page, but costs $16 now.

How do you think GM is paying for the UAWs sweetheart deal. The UAW probably threatened to strike when they heard of the free shirts.

This "deal" should be edited to DEAD!

 

PuvMan

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i dont think my non E85 compatible Nissan Titan will be happy if i get this shirt...............
 

jjmIII

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Originally posted by: PuvMan
i dont think my non E85 compatible Nissan Titan will be happy if i get this shirt...............

Nissan did a full buy-back on my buddies Titan. Beautiful truck, but you CAN NOT keep front brakes on it.

Got my shirt today .
 

LurkingInNC

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Originally posted by: vaylon
As for GM'S e85 plan, it will be about as popular as the ev1. Just a big waste of money.

I am always suspicious of the american big three when they start to taught something.

Besides ethanol cost more to produce than they sell it for. And it has almost no beneficial impacts as compared to gas or diesel.

More green propaganda and marketing than anything.

And they still didn't give me my shirt.

Ethanol: Myths and Realities: Ten questions -- and answers -- about the fuel that's supposed to save the economy

Since it costs no more to produce a flexfuel vehicle than a standard one, I say go for it. Let the market (consumer) sort out whether or not it's competitive with gas from a cost/ value perspective . They sell it alongside gas in Brazil. People buy according to whichever is a better value at the time.

Like anything else new, the technology (and efficiency) of ethanol will improve the more it's used.

Two other points:

1) (cut from the linked article above)
"Doesn't producing ethanol on a large scale use a great deal of energy?

Yes. Some ethanol skeptics have even argued that the process involved in growing grain and then transforming it into ethanol requires more energy from fossil fuels than ethanol generates. In other words, they say the whole movement is a farce.

There's no absolute consensus in the scientific community, but that argument is losing strength. Michael Wang, a scientist at the Energy Dept.-funded Argonne National Laboratory for Transportation Research, says "The energy used for each unit of ethanol produced has been reduced by about half [since 1980]." Now, Wang says, the delivery of 1 million British thermal units [BTUs] of ethanol uses 0.74 million BTUs of fossil fuels. [That does not include the solar energy -- the sun shining -- used in growing corn.] By contrast, he finds that the delivery of 1 million BTUs of gasoline requires 1.23 million BTU of fossil fuels. "
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2) We damm well better start doing something NOW to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. Ethanol sure seems like a good place to start. Although it likely won't be the whole solution (like it has proved to be in Brazil), the technology is already in place w.r.t. both production and use (again, flexfuel vehicles cost no more than regular ones).

Imho independence from foreign oil should be one of the biggest priorities for the US at this point. Better we invest if resolving the problem now (when gas & oil prices are an inconvenience) than face a crises later on (a lack of sufficient availability of oil could threaten our oil based economy).

I think US energy independence deserves a national initiative similar to JFKs moon landing initiative in the 1960s. Something like total independence of foreign oil within 8-10 years (looking at all options, not just ethanol). It might cost us short term, but I'll wager it will cost us a lot more down the road if we don't initiate some serious action now.

ps sorry u didn't get your shirt. I think I'm something like 1 for 7 or 8 w.r.t. free t-shirt offers.


 

vaylon

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The ethanol produced in most countries is from soy and sugar cane making it better for the environment and slightly better than gas and diesel fuel.

The ethanol produced in the US is made from corn, most countries will refuse to accept it as a fuel, it cost more to produce than gas, and it has no benefit to the environment. But the farming industriy has a huge lobby that makes it difficult for the other plants to be used.

As for an energy independant USA? Not going to happen.
The united states owes everything to the oil companies. If the oil companies want you to get less mileage per gallon, then your new car will get less mileage.

No initiative in the past 40 years has helped, not even the arab oil embargo.

The only thing that has showed any sign of helping is when people start buying the best fuel efficient cars and letting the big gas hogs sit on the dealers lots.

And it never helps the energy reliance of the USA by putting anybody from the oil industry in Texas in the white house. To close a ties to the middle east.


and I got my shirt today!!!! Nicest product GM has put out since the mid 90's.
 
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