Gentoo Linux for AMD64

Xesh

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They say it gives the best performance, but can I, having used Linux for only a few months (and that was about a year ago), tackle Gentoo? If so, what "stage" installation is best? How long will it take?

I've already downloaded Fedora Core 3, but after browsing this forum, I'm hesitant about using that one.

Thanks for any help.
-- Joe
 

Nothinman

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IMO Gentoo is never worth it. It might be worthwhile to install once or twice if you want to fight with it and hope you learn some things about Linux, but for general usage it's a huge waste of time IMO.
 

TheLonelyPhoenix

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I'm probably going to catch a couple flames from the Linux hardcore, but if you're relatively inexperienced, install Mandrake first and get comfortable with it before moving to Gentoo.
 

Xesh

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So, it's agreed that Fedora is a bad choice? Also, don't I have to pay some insane amount of money for Mandrake 64-bit?
 

Xesh

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Hmm... in that case maybe I'll give it a try. I was also considering Ubuntu after a few more minutes searching around here.

One more thing... I've got two HD's - a 120G with ~90G free and a nearly full 20G. Would it be best to move the files I want to keep to the bigger HD and dedicate the smaller one to Linux? Or should I create a new partition on the 120 (which I don't yet have the tools to do)?
 

TJmoney

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Get knoppix and use qtparted to partition the hard drive. Its a nice graphical tool, and has never botched anything on my system., though i'm not sure if it can shrink a NTFS file system if thats what you have taking up the whole drive...
 

Xesh

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I've looked around the Gentoo website, and a saw those LiveCD's... but don't they still require a long time / significant experience to install? Furthermore, will I be able to find packages I can install on Gentoo?
 

Nothinman

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Gentoo has their own package system, but you can do things manually if you really want to. Check out packages.gentoo.org to get an idea of what's available in portage.
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: Xesh
I've looked around the Gentoo website, and a saw those LiveCD's... but don't they still require a long time / significant experience to install? Furthermore, will I be able to find packages I can install on Gentoo?

A LiveCD should require NO installation. It should run from cd.
 

Crusty

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Does anyone know how mature the Debian AMD64 port is? I recently upgraded and have been running my old install of it.. I want to setup a new partition with the AMD64 port, so long as it is usable.
 

silverpig

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There isn't really much difference between the 3 stages other than this:

Stage 1: You compile everything
Stage 2: You compile everything but gcc, gcc-config and libgcc++ or whatever it's called
Stage 3: A very minimal system is precompiled for you and you compile all of the extras
GRP: Everything is precompiled for you. You just install binaries straight from the cd.

If you want to do the quickest install, but also want to try some different optimizations to see what they do, then do a GRP install, and then recompile it as you run. You can do a little every night if you like. I just did a stage3 install on my laptop with very conservative "-02 -march=i686 -fomit-frame-pointer" flags. I then emerged gcc-3.4.3, and set that as my new compiler, changed my flags to "-march=pentium-m -02 -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe" re-emerged it, rebuilt my kernel and modules, rebooted, and then did an emerge -ea world which is rebuilding all of the packages on my system. I just set it to continue every night.

If you DO decide to install gentoo and want to get into the whole cflags thing, don't get caught up in it all. Some people try to put in "extreme" cflags but they don't really do much at all. The customization can help in some instances (sort of like how 64 bit generally isn't better than 32 bit in most apps, but sometimes it does make a difference), but extreme cflags are a waste of time and possibly stability.

Will it make much of a difference? Well, in SSE and SSE2 apps yeah, otherwise, probably not. But do you really notice the 6 extra fps you gain by o/cing your video card? Yet you still do it...

IMO the main reason to use gentoo is for portage. It's very easy to use and I never have problems with it. A close second is the community. I've had 99/100 issues I've ever had with gentoo solved by searching their forums and the remaining one solved by posting.

Gentoo's 64 bit release is great. There is a full forum there that will help you out if you have problems, and they are amongst the first to recognize/fix issues.
 
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