George Bush had a strong speech tonight..

[OneOfTheseDays]

I wouldn't count Kerry out. You seem to forget that popular vote DOESN"T MATTER. Battleground states are what matters. Key issue in battleground states: ECONOMY, not national security.

I'm not saying the Republicans won't see a bounce from this convention. It was MASTERFULLY done, absolute political brilliance. But, people will forget this convention, the stark reality of the world will hit them and they will realize they are stuck with two choices: stay with Bush and hope he can fix things or try a change of direction with John Kerry. Kerry needs to convince people his way of doing things will be bettter, and he just hasn't done it.

 

[Rob9874]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Rob9874
I think everyone knows Bush sounds dumb in debates. The fewer the better for him. It could cost him votes from people so shallow to base their opinion of a leader on his debating skills.

No, its because he doesn't have his writing team to hold his hand.

Regardless, to continue in my football strategy, Bush is up 24-21. Why continue passing, and risk an interception? Take a knee and run out the clock.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Rob9874
Regardless, to continue in my football strategy, Bush is up 24-21. Why continue passing, and risk an interception? Take a knee and run out the clock.

Because Bush has butterfingers.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

For the life of me, I just can't understand what the hell is wrong with John Kerry and his campaign advisors. He's got all the firepower and ammunition to literally rip Bush to shreds on the economy, on Iraq, and even on national security. Yet, he just continues to fail on every opportunity. Tonight, he had a chance to really pull himself out of the hole he's been in, but again he just didn't deliver the goods. This spells bad news for Democrats, and they really need to shake up both John Kerry and his dismal campaign. I suggest hiring a Paul Begala type figure, or someone with the firepower to reenergize Kerry and his campaign. He just seems lifeless out there, and he's letting the Republicans stomp all over him. I'll be honest, I'm scared at this point that Kerry won't recover from this attack. Hopefully he can surprise me.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
For the life of me, I just can't understand what the hell is wrong with John Kerry and his campaign advisors. He's got all the firepower and ammunition to literally rip Bush to shreds on the economy, on Iraq, and even on national security. Yet, he just continues to fail on every opportunity. Tonight, he had a chance to really pull himself out of the hole he's been in, but again he just didn't deliver the goods. This spells bad news for Democrats, and they really need to shake up both John Kerry and his dismal campaign. I suggest hiring a Paul Begala type figure, or someone with the firepower to reenergize Kerry and his campaign. He just seems lifeless out there, and he's letting the Republicans stomp all over him. I'll be honest, I'm scared at this point that Kerry won't recover from this attack. Hopefully he can surprise me.

Its apparent that the Bush campaign is scared of Kerry and Edwards. The Republicans have nothing to run on so they just attack Kerry and Edwards. This is evident by the number of times they mention Kerry's name during the RNC. They are using scare tactics to scare the public by telling voters what they think Kerry will do in the fight against terrorism if elected. They are trying to portray him as soft on terrorism and defense. Its funny that the Republicans were embracing Zell Miller before he gave his speech, find out after his speech that it was getting negative feedback, and then try and distance themselves from him.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
For the life of me, I just can't understand what the hell is wrong with John Kerry and his campaign advisors. He's got all the firepower and ammunition to literally rip Bush to shreds on the economy, on Iraq, and even on national security. Yet, he just continues to fail on every opportunity. Tonight, he had a chance to really pull himself out of the hole he's been in, but again he just didn't deliver the goods. This spells bad news for Democrats, and they really need to shake up both John Kerry and his dismal campaign. I suggest hiring a Paul Begala type figure, or someone with the firepower to reenergize Kerry and his campaign. He just seems lifeless out there, and he's letting the Republicans stomp all over him. I'll be honest, I'm scared at this point that Kerry won't recover from this attack. Hopefully he can surprise me.

Its apparent that the Bush campaign is scared of Kerry and Edwards. The Republicans have nothing to run on so they just attack Kerry and Edwards. This is evident by the number of times they mention Kerry's name during the RNC. They are using scare tactics to scare the public by telling voters what they think Kerry will do in the fight against terrorism if elected. They are trying to portray him as soft on terrorism and defense. Its funny that the Republicans were embracing Zell Miller before he gave his speech, find out after his speech that it was getting negative feedback, and then try and distance themselves from him.

You see, educated people like you and me can see through the political bullsh!t. But the average American either cannot, or just doesn't care enough to do so. That's what I'm worried about, the average American getting the wrong idea about the Democratic party and John Kerry.

 

[Apocalypse23]

was a really nice speech, well performed, but it hasn't changed my opinon on Bush or Kerry any more or less.

peace

 

[Michael]

Sudheer Anne - I hate to tell you this, but you're being very vainglorious about your assertation that you're smarter and more educated and that others who disagree are not. There are many people in this very thread who are "educated" and they disagree with you. You're underselling the American public.

You're not better than us.

Michael

 

[Format C:]

Well, I thought it was a pretty much overly long ho-hum speech except for close to the end, but, if it has Connedjur in such a red-faced pissy pants pout it must've been one helluva hum dinger.

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: cpumaster
I think you can say that war on terrorism is sort of between Cold war and war on drugs.
In that in this war your principal enemy is one Al-Qaeda & their philosophy. Yet they are a stateless enemy just like the war against drugs, from the producers to the smugglers, to the users....

Yeah it is kinda like the war on drugs, especially if 30 years from now we are still fighting the war on terrorism with no victory in sight, and have raped the bill of rights in the process.:disgust:

Originally posted by: her209
If Bush was going to win for sure, then why not debate? What does Bush have to lose? Could it be that he doesn't have any real answers when it comes to domestic issues?

Actually incumbents rarely like to debate, they have much to lose and little to gain. Kinda like the football analogy. Bush especially has everything to lose if he is put in a debate where the message/topic can't be completely controlled. Plus he just can't compete with kerry as far as public speaking goes and would come out looking bad. Obviously his campaign knows this.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: conjur
Strong if you're a sheep.

A weak and disgusting speech that politicized the 9/11 tragedy if you're a free-thinking person.

still a thouand times better than that pitiful excuse for a speech Kerry the mASSacusetts senator Kennedy pole smoker gave...ABAKC (Anyone but a Kennedy Crony)

 

[arsbanned]

Strong speech.... It's amazing people would allow the President to recast himselfs as "compassionate" after what we've witnessed the last 4 years. The terms speaks for itself. No amount of window dressing can change that.

Of course, only a complete partisan would think that 9/11 was some flash in the pan and that the president shouldn't campaign on his positions on it.

Except his response has been totally ineffectual, he attacked the wrong country, and Osama is still breathing fresh mountain air. Great job! :disgust:

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: conjur
Strong if you're a sheep.

A weak and disgusting speech that politicized the 9/11 tragedy if you're a free-thinking person.

still a thouand times better than that pitiful excuse for a speech Kerry the mASSacusetts senator Kennedy pole smoker gave...ABAKC (Anyone but a Kennedy Crony)

Beautiful post, bozack.

Kiss your mother with that mouth?

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: conjur
Strong if you're a sheep.

A weak and disgusting speech that politicized the 9/11 tragedy if you're a free-thinking person.

still a thouand times better than that pitiful excuse for a speech Kerry the mASSacusetts senator Kennedy pole smoker gave...ABAKC (Anyone but a Kennedy Crony)

Beautiful post, bozack.

Kiss your mother with that mouth?

So, are you going to produce Gen. Franks statement:

If Franks had not tried to assert that Iraq was related to the 9/11 attacks, my opinion of him would not have changed.

or are you finally admitting you're the biggest liar this side of dmcowen?

 

[JetsFanatic]

Bush/Cheney 2004

 

[PatboyX]

text?

also:
UN sniffing?

 

[Jhhnn]

The part I liked best was the Big Lie routine about the events leading up to the invasion of Iraq- how they were a threat to the US, and about how Dubya gave him one last chance to comply with the UN resolutions...

And the bit CsG has been denying most stridently- claiming that Bush policies are, indeed, responsible for the growth in home ownership.

And he failed to tell us how he was going to pay for all his new social programs, wouldn't touch the deficits with a pole, and sorta avoided the name of OBL...

It was, however, the first time that he acknowledged, even obliquely, that Saudi reforms might have some bearing in the WoT. Didn't mention Saudi or Kuwaiti democracy, though, even though he puffed it up bigtime for Iraqis and Afghans...

About what I'd expected- maintaining the illusion for the faithful. I doubt many were swayed.

 

[PatboyX]

Text

upon reading the speech, i see that it is full of the same sort of "empty language" that seems to have run this administrations. vague abstractions that have less impact than teenage poetry.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: conjur

Beautiful post, bozack.

Kiss your mother with that mouth?

yes I do.

Love it how you loons get in a huff when the guy doesn't make a bafoon out of himself on ntv and for once has a positive speech, that frankly to me came off far better than the pile of crap kerrychev delivered.

 

[smashp]

I didn?t Care For the fact that He painted Kerry as a Tax and Spending Liberal. The Fact is Kerry is For Balancing the Budget, something Bush has been Incapable of doing, infact the deficit spending of this president is Very irresponsible, combined with his "Liberalesque" new massive government spending programs. Government has EXPANDED under this president massively, and This Expansion has taken some of the freedom away from Private Citizens and mostly given the power to corporations to make decisions.

Big Government = Less individual Freedom

That is a Paleoconservative value. A value I hold and our current President does not.

The Best Way to contain big government is taking away its ability to Spend. Take away its ability to spend what it doesn?t have. Force it to a budget. Get it to stick to the budget. Then Begin Tightening the budget.

You can cut government spending on any program you wish, and without the constraints of a balanced budget that money will be spent in other areas. It isn?t a "Spending cut" unless All the Spending is cut. If you cut from one program and give to another, it?s a reallocation of funds. Debt will enslave us.

Freedom..... The Essence of a free society is an open and transparent government, not a government of secrecy and deception.


This is Whay I plan on voting for John Kerry. Because or Gop controlled congress will hold him to his word of balancing the budget. A Gop controlled congress will be a check on executive power rather than a rubber stamp. The belief that a Republican president, a republican congress, and a republican senate will encourage Bipartisanship is misguided and ignorant. Our country has suffered Four years of the executive branch's power being largely unchecked. Its time for Power to be checked, to be balanced.


Power = coruption, absolute Power = Absolute Coruption


Roman Politicians Destroyed Rome whe no army Could.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: conjur

You do realize this marks the 2nd time Bush has flip-flopped between War President and Peace President?


I find it truly disgusting.

Bush completely avoided the issues facing the average American out there:
Energy costs
Quality jobs
Education costs
Healthcare costs

Running on the same platform as the 2002 Congressional elections is utterly sad.

Not only does this show how weak the Fearless Liar is but all of the Neocons. The only thing that gets their blood going is War mongoring and money coming their way at the expense of all others.

Now I see so clearly how the Roman Empire fell from the same Brainwashed spell.

It is so sad to not only witness but being caught up in the middle of it. The Brainwashing is so strong, when I talk to people that are so enamored on the Dub's every word and I ask them why they reply because he has done so well for them. Of course this is people that have not been affected by the loss of job or quality of job, not afeected by cost of College or Healthcare as they are Rich Elitists.

The Rich are working so hard to downfall the Country, it is so disgusting to see. When it falls they will truly have no idea why it happened because of their weak Brainwashed minds.

 

[psteng19]

The moderates who will vote for Kerry are more interested in removing Bush than they are in supporting Kerry's (not especially clear) agenda or that of the party as a whole.

Agreed.


The problem with Bush's anti-terrorist campaign is that far less people in America are directly affected by terrorism than they are by the economy and unemployment.
IMO, this is what ultimately may cost him re-election.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: conjur
Strong if you're a sheep.

A weak and disgusting speech that politicized the 9/11 tragedy if you're a free-thinking person.

You are simply ridiculous. Anyone that disagrees with you is automatically a sheep, while anyone who agrees is a free-thinker? I guess it is following in the footsteps of the founding fathers to think we have a right to form our own opinions. We should stop being such sheep and realize that yours is the only correct opinion. :disgust:

So, you support politicizing the 9/11 tragedy?

You support Bush and the GOP flip-flopping on promises NOT to do so?


Sad.

Roosevelt used Pearl Harbor

 

[chess9]

SudheerAnne:

Amen.

I didn't watch the speech, but I did read the reports and watched some commentary. Bush can't say anything that is going to sway me anyway, plus I'm preparing for Frances.

I want Kerry to come out slugging. If he's going down, he needs to go down like a man, fighting. God help us if he stumbles as badly as Mondale or Dukakis.... They both ended up looking like complete wusses, particularly Mondale.

DealMonkey:

Great summary and I agree 100% based upon what I've read.

csf:

Calling Conjur a troll is nonsense. When you have posted one-tenth the quality he has posted I'll give your views some credibility. Another 100,000 words and you'll be close.

Alky:

You didn't give the President's speech any more thought than I did, right? No evidence of it anyway. Nice fake....

-Robert

 

[smashp]

Agreed

Originally posted by: chess9
csf:

Calling Conjur a troll is nonsense. When you have posted one-tenth the quality he has posted I'll give your views some credibility. Another 100,000 words and you'll be close.