George Bush had a strong speech tonight..

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conjur

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Jun 7, 2001
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Originally posted by: UltraQuiet
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: conjur
Strong if you're a sheep.

A weak and disgusting speech that politicized the 9/11 tragedy if you're a free-thinking person.

still a thouand times better than that pitiful excuse for a speech Kerry the mASSacusetts senator Kennedy pole smoker gave...ABAKC (Anyone but a Kennedy Crony)

Beautiful post, bozack.

Kiss your mother with that mouth?


So, are you going to produce Gen. Franks statement:
As soon as you post it. You were the one saying Franks was linking Iraq to Al Qaeda. I made the mistake of believing you.
 

UltraQuiet

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Sep 22, 2001
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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: UltraQuiet
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: conjur
Strong if you're a sheep.

A weak and disgusting speech that politicized the 9/11 tragedy if you're a free-thinking person.

still a thouand times better than that pitiful excuse for a speech Kerry the mASSacusetts senator Kennedy pole smoker gave...ABAKC (Anyone but a Kennedy Crony)

Beautiful post, bozack.

Kiss your mother with that mouth?


So, are you going to produce Gen. Franks statement:
As soon as you post it. You were the one saying Franks was linking Iraq to Al Qaeda. I made the mistake of believing you.

Just to be clear, neither I nor Gen. Franks made any attempt to link Al Queda to 9/11. That was strictly you which means you are either a liar or stupid. I have my opinion but, I'll let you pick.

Here's the quote:
Some more interesing comments from Gen. Franks:



quote:

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10 Questions For Tommy Franks
The retired general speaks about waging wars and his new book
By MARK THOMPSON



Sunday, Aug. 01, 2004
General Tommy Franks commanded the U.S. military during its wars in Afghanistan and Iraq before retiring last summer after 38 years in uniform. He surveys his career?and the wars he led as head of the U.S. Central Command?in a new book, American Soldier, due out this week from ReganBooks. He spoke with TIME correspondent Mark Thompson.

WHY DO THINGS SEEM TO BE GOING SO POORLY IN IRAQ? It's a very good thing when a major war fight is quick. On the other hand, if you want to reconstitute, rebuild, reconstruct the country, that is never ever going to be done in a year or 18 months. I don't know whether the Administration permitted or encouraged the media in our country to believe that this was going to be easy, but it happened. There came to be created an expectation that even a superpower can't meet.

SHOULDN'T A SUPERPOWER BE ABLE TO GET THE ELECTRICITY IN IRAQ TURNED BACK ON AFTER MORE THAN A YEAR OF TRYING? It's disappointing. One can hope that the Iraqis are all going to shoulder the load, do it quickly, but in reality they have chosen not to do that. They have not risen to the responsibility as quickly as I would have hoped.

IN YOUR BOOK, YOU ABSOLVE YOURSELF, PRESIDENT BUSH AND DEFENSE SECRETARY DONALD RUMSFELD OF INADEQUATE POSTWAR PLANNING. SO WHO'S RESPONSIBLE? It's possible to underestimate the difficulty inside our bureaucracy as well as inside the international bureaucracy when it comes to things like fund raising. The planning, in fact, incorporated the need to rehire a quarter of a million Iraqis who had been in the military. When they all went home, they were unemployed. The question is, How long does it take to generate funding in order to re-employ these people? Unfortunately, it took too long.

WELL, WASN'T IT THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION THAT DISBANDED THE IRAQI ARMY? Actually, the Administration didn't disband it?it melted away. It's a blessing when an army melts away rather than dying in place. On the other hand, if what we're after is to get reconstruction going, then that simply represents 250,000 angry young men.

COULDN'T THE U.S. HAVE CALLED THEM BACK TO DUTY? We would have been wise to do that, and in my view we should have done that.

DO YOU FEEL MISLED BY THE PREWAR INTELLIGENCE ASSERTING THAT SADDAM HUSSEIN HAD WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION (WMD) AND LINKS TO AL-QAEDA? I do not feel misled at all. Actually, I'm very thankful that he didn't have the WMD. What would you have had us do? Stand by and wait until he did have them? I do believe there were assets inside the Saddam regime who were working with international terrorists, and I believe that al-Qaeda were among them.

WHAT'S IT LIKE TO WORK FOR RUMSFELD? I wish Don Rumsfeld had had an easier, less-centralized management style. That does not imply that Don Rumsfeld screwed up the war. It says that I?and I suspect a lot of other people?would have had a whole lot better feeling undertaking these very important matters if Don Rumsfeld had been a very concerned people person.

DO YOU THINK BUSH SHOULD BE RE-ELECTED? The way I'm going to mark my individual ballot I'll keep to myself. Whether we like Bush or not, the quality of his judgments and the quality of his leadership has been honest. I respect him for that. I'm leaning in that direction. I have not been formally asked to come to the Republican National Convention. My feelings were hurt that I was not invited to the Democratic National Convention.

DOES A PRESIDENT WITH A GOOD MILITARY RECORD MAKE A BETTER COMMANDER IN CHIEF? A good military record, like John Kerry's, certainly does not hurt him in the eyes of people in the military. Does that mean you need to have service in the active component of the military in order to be a good President? I don't think so.

HOW ARE YOU SPENDING YOUR TIME THESE DAYS? I'm supporting things like the National Park Foundation and the Fallen Heroes Fund. God has blessed my wife Cathy and me with sufficient material capability. Now it's a matter of figuring out whom we can help, especially as it relates to the troops and their families. It's a cool thing to do.
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conjur

No Lifer
Jun 7, 2001
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So...Al Qaeda was responsible for 9/11 and you're showing that Franks thought there were links between Saddam and al Qaeda but you don't think that links Saddam to 9/11?


Is that your form of nuance?
 

UltraQuiet

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Sep 22, 2001
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Originally posted by: conjur
So...Al Qaeda was responsible for 9/11 and you're showing that Franks thought there were links between Saddam and al Qaeda but you don't think that links Saddam to 9/11?


Is that your form of nuance?

The only person who is linking what Franks said to 9/11 is you.

Is that your particular brand of stupidity or are you outright lying about what Franks said?
 

csf

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Aug 5, 2001
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csf:

Calling Conjur a troll is nonsense. When you have posted one-tenth the quality he has posted I'll give your views some credibility. Another 100,000 words and you'll be close.

Please tell me where it says that someone has to post about 80 times a day to be able to recognize a troll. You're incorrectly assuming that my rate of posting somehow affects whether or not hijacking a thread with an inflammatory, content free, one sentence statement clearly exclusively designed to provoke angry reactions among a large audience (see how many other people are annoyed with his crap here) is trolling. I shared my own opinions on the speech in another post in this thread; I don't think I have any obligation to give conjur the time of the day when all he does is constantly and incessantly shriek out blanket insults at anyone who disagrees with him.

Thanks anyway.


 

nick1985

Lifer
Dec 29, 2002
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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: alchemize
Bush completely avoided the issues facing the average American out there:
Energy costs
Quality jobs
Education costs
Healthcare costs

Running on the same platform as the 2002 Congressional elections is utterly sad.
Did he, or did he not mention every single one of those topics in his speech? Yes or No, Conjur
He mentioned them but offered nothing to correct the problems.

Mentioning a topic is not addressing the issue.


Get it?

first you say he completely avoided the topics, now you say "he mentioned them"...which is it?
 

nick1985

Lifer
Dec 29, 2002
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Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
I wouldn't count Kerry out. You seem to forget that popular vote DOESN"T MATTER. Battleground states are what matters. Key issue in battleground states: ECONOMY, not national security.

I'm not saying the Republicans won't see a bounce from this convention. It was MASTERFULLY done, absolute political brilliance. But, people will forget this convention, the stark reality of the world will hit them and they will realize they are stuck with two choices: stay with Bush and hope he can fix things or try a change of direction with John Kerry. Kerry needs to convince people his way of doing things will be bettter, and he just hasn't done it.

i disagree. i think the convention will give bush at LEAST a 1 or 2% gain in polls.
 

conjur

No Lifer
Jun 7, 2001
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Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: alchemize
Bush completely avoided the issues facing the average American out there:
Energy costs
Quality jobs
Education costs
Healthcare costs

Running on the same platform as the 2002 Congressional elections is utterly sad.
Did he, or did he not mention every single one of those topics in his speech? Yes or No, Conjur
He mentioned them but offered nothing to correct the problems.

Mentioning a topic is not addressing the issue.


Get it?

first you say he completely avoided the topics, now you say "he mentioned them"...which is it?

I see that you don't "get it".

Not surprised.
 

conjur

No Lifer
Jun 7, 2001
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Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
I wouldn't count Kerry out. You seem to forget that popular vote DOESN"T MATTER. Battleground states are what matters. Key issue in battleground states: ECONOMY, not national security.

I'm not saying the Republicans won't see a bounce from this convention. It was MASTERFULLY done, absolute political brilliance. But, people will forget this convention, the stark reality of the world will hit them and they will realize they are stuck with two choices: stay with Bush and hope he can fix things or try a change of direction with John Kerry. Kerry needs to convince people his way of doing things will be bettter, and he just hasn't done it.

i disagree. i think the convention will give bush at LEAST a 1 or 2% gain in polls.

But you don't "get it".

A 1-2% gain in the polls won't matter if that's just on a national basis. The way our electoral system works, someone can lose the election yet have more of the popular vote. Do you not remember the 2000 election?
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: alchemize
Bush completely avoided the issues facing the average American out there:
Energy costs
Quality jobs
Education costs
Healthcare costs

Running on the same platform as the 2002 Congressional elections is utterly sad.
Did he, or did he not mention every single one of those topics in his speech? Yes or No, Conjur
He mentioned them but offered nothing to correct the problems.

Mentioning a topic is not addressing the issue.


Get it?

first you say he completely avoided the topics, now you say "he mentioned them"...which is it?

I see that you don't "get it".

Not surprised.

Ah, another thread you try to weasel out of your accusation when challenged/shown to be wrong. Next time try to make an honest accusation from the start.

CsG
 

nick1985

Lifer
Dec 29, 2002
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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: alchemize
Bush completely avoided the issues facing the average American out there:
Energy costs
Quality jobs
Education costs
Healthcare costs

Running on the same platform as the 2002 Congressional elections is utterly sad.
Did he, or did he not mention every single one of those topics in his speech? Yes or No, Conjur
He mentioned them but offered nothing to correct the problems.

Mentioning a topic is not addressing the issue.


Get it?

first you say he completely avoided the topics, now you say "he mentioned them"...which is it?

I see that you don't "get it".

Not surprised.

no conjur, YOU dont get it. you say he "completely avoided", then when you find out that you were wrong you switch to "he mentioned them". maybe you should work for the kerry campaign.
 

UltraQuiet

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Sep 22, 2001
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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: alchemize
Bush completely avoided the issues facing the average American out there:
Energy costs
Quality jobs
Education costs
Healthcare costs

Running on the same platform as the 2002 Congressional elections is utterly sad.
Did he, or did he not mention every single one of those topics in his speech? Yes or No, Conjur
He mentioned them but offered nothing to correct the problems.

Mentioning a topic is not addressing the issue.


Get it?

first you say he completely avoided the topics, now you say "he mentioned them"...which is it?

I see that you don't "get it".

Not surprised.

Ah, another thread you try to weasel out of your accusation when challenged/shown to be wrong. Next time try to make an honest accusation from the start.

CsG


Pathetic isn't it.

I'm still waiting for him to show where Gen. Franks said Saddam was linked to 9/11.
 

Red Dawn

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Jun 4, 2001
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Jesus Conjur, just admit that you mispoke and let the dogs find another to attack.
 

conjur

No Lifer
Jun 7, 2001
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Originally posted by: UltraQuiet
Pathetic isn't it.

I'm still waiting for him to show where Gen. Franks said Saddam was linked to 9/11.

Like this?

http://www.al.com/news/birming...s/1092822504211260.xml
"We won't know for another 20 or 25 years or another 40 years or 50 years whether everybody did everything right in Iraq or not," retired Army Gen. Tommy Franks told an audience of Shades Valley Rotary Club members and others. "But I know this: Iraq will never again be used as a sanctuary and as a planning ground to launch attacks on the United States of America."
 

nick1985

Lifer
Dec 29, 2002
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Jesus Conjur, just admit that you mispoke and let the dogs find another to attack.

going to admit that you are wrong on this one conjur?
 

phillyTIM

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Bush has talked this talk 4 years ago, which is why he's so good at it, but he has yet to walk the walk.

This is just pure rhetoric and propoganda in order to garner sympathy votes from the poor, uneducated, misguided souls of America. They tend to follow one another.

As far as convention speeches go, it just plain sucked and was totally boring. Where were the cheering and rallying and marching orders for the Republican delegates????? This was just some rehashed Election '00 speech that sounded more like one of the Bush Regime's State of the Union addresses.

Rating: 2 out of 10 (2 points for him actually not sounding like a total grammar bumbling idiot, as Bush usually is).

Edit Bush also said: "And I will continue to appoint federal judges who know the difference between personal opinion and the strict interpretation of the law."

Yeah, sure George...that's why there's all this talk about you appointing Supreme Court judges to overturn Roe V. Wade and such, huh? Hypocrite.

And how dare Bush invoke Ronald Reagan, the Gipper...when Bush is going to go down in history knows as "The Flipper" (for many various reasons and actions).

And it's about time SOMEBODY at that RNC talk about the American people and the economic/social-program challenges that face them. The past 3 nights have been a bunch of Democrat-bullying and sniping...the Reps acting like 10yo grade school children.
 

nick1985

Lifer
Dec 29, 2002
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Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Jesus Conjur, just admit that you mispoke and let the dogs find another to attack.

going to admit that you are wrong on this one conjur?

answer the question conjur.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: conjur
CsG, is mentioning a word addressing an issue, yes or no?

"Bush completely avoided the issues facing the average American out there" - conjur

Quit weaseling, nobody is buying your BS. Not here, not in the "ad" thread, not anywhere. You need to start using honest claims instead of using things that fail under the mildest of scrutiny.

CsG
 

conjur

No Lifer
Jun 7, 2001
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Is mentioning a word addressing an issue?

Yes or no.


Geez, CsG. Why is this so freakin' hard for you??
 

Corn

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Bush completely avoided the issues facing the average American out there:
Energy costs
Quality jobs
Education costs
Healthcare costs

Running on the same platform as the 2002 Congressional elections is utterly sad.
Did he, or did he not mention every single one of those topics in his speech? Yes or No, Conjur

Conjur is a lying troll, do not expect him to answer this question with any degree of honesty.

 

heartsurgeon

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usually, i ignore everything C****r says because it's gibberish, but i just couldn't help myself on this one!

He's campaigning on it after having stated he wouldn't!

"We do not need to divide America over who served and how." - Sen. Kerry, Senate floor Feb. 27, 1992

"I am saddened that Vietnam has yet again been inserted into the campaign." - Sen. Kerry

"What saddens me most is that Democrats...should now be refighting the many conflicts of Vietnam in order to win the current political conflict.."- Sen. Kerry

HAHAHAHA

just today..

""I'm not going to have my commitment to defend this country questioned by those who refused to serve when they could have.." Sen. Kerry, 9/2/2004, Springfield, Ohio

"I'll leave it up to the voters whether five deferments makes someone more qualified to defend this nation than two tours of duty." - Sen. Kerry.

I guess C****r was talking about Kerry, eh?

Bush 2004!
 

Ozoned

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: UltraQuiet
Pathetic isn't it.

I'm still waiting for him to show where Gen. Franks said Saddam was linked to 9/11.

Like this?

http://www.al.com/news/birming...s/1092822504211260.xml
"We won't know for another 20 or 25 years or another 40 years or 50 years whether everybody did everything right in Iraq or not," retired Army Gen. Tommy Franks told an audience of Shades Valley Rotary Club members and others. "But I know this: Iraq will never again be used as a sanctuary and as a planning ground to launch attacks on the United States of America."


Where does that say anything about 9/11? They launched hundreds of attacks against the united states in
the no-fly zones.

Quit beating around the Bush (heh heh ) and show where Gen. Franks said Saddam was linked to 9/11.
 
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