George Bush saved thousands

[mc6809e]

From the article here:

Acknowledging that large numbers of people, many of them stranded tourists, would be unable to leave, the city set up 10 places of last resort for people to go, including the Superdome.

The mayor called the order unprecedented and said anyone who could leave the city should. He exempted hotels from the evacuation order because airlines had already cancelled all flights.

Gov. Kathleen Blanco, standing beside the mayor at a news conference, said President Bush called and personally appealed for a mandatory evacuation for the low-lying city, which is prone to flooding.

So George Bush pressured them to declare a mandatory evacuation. Given George Bush's limited intellect, I think that fact that he more clue than they did proves they're a couple of idiots.

Without the mandatory evacuation, thousands that went to the dome would have instead died in their houses.

It appears, then, that George Bush's call saved thousands.

 

[Spencer278]

repost troll

 

[1EZduzit]

Zero, zero.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Zero . . . maybe less.

 

[loup garou]

You're disgusting. Registering here just to troll about this disaster while people are dying. I bet you're having a grand old time.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Zero . . . maybe less.

Less then this clowns IQ, that's for sure.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

I am sure he was advised to appeal for a mandatory evac.

 

[mc6809e]

You're disgusting. Registering here just to troll about this disaster while people are dying. I bet you're having a grand old time.

Why aren't you with the National Guard right now in LA helping out?

You seem to have plenty of time to sit at the computer and complain about me.

I'm sure the next time a disaster strikes, you'll have plenty of time to complain about all those bad ol' trolls while people are dying.

You're nothing but a hypocrite.

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: werk
You're disgusting. Registering here just to troll about this disaster while people are dying. I bet you're having a grand old time.

Anger is funny like that.

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: mc6809e

You're disgusting. Registering here just to troll about this disaster while people are dying. I bet you're having a grand old time.

Why aren't you with the National Guard right now in LA helping out?

You seem to have plenty of time to sit at the computer and complain about me.

I'm sure the next time a disaster strikes, you'll have plenty of time to complain about all those bad ol' trolls while people are dying.

You're nothing but a hypocrite.

How do you know what I'm doing? My friends and family have lost everything. This is where I grew up. Right now I'm organizing a 501c3 not for profit to help people. Planning benefits in NYC to raise money. Sending care packages. Collecting contact information to keep people in touch with their loved ones. Using the skills I have to help people.

 

[coolkatz321]

Originally posted by: werk

Originally posted by: mc6809e

You're disgusting. Registering here just to troll about this disaster while people are dying. I bet you're having a grand old time.

Why aren't you with the National Guard right now in LA helping out?

You seem to have plenty of time to sit at the computer and complain about me.

I'm sure the next time a disaster strikes, you'll have plenty of time to complain about all those bad ol' trolls while people are dying.

You're nothing but a hypocrite.

How do you know what I'm doing? My friends and family have lost everything. This is where I grew up. Right now I'm organizing a 501c3 not for profit to help people. Planning benefits in NYC to raise money. Sending care packages. Collecting contact information to keep people in touch with their loved ones. Using the skills I have to help people.

You should be applauded or your efforts. I only wish I could do more to help besides donating money... People like mc6809e are just jacka$$es who ffel the need to praise Bush because that's all they know how to do.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: mc6809e
From the article here:

Acknowledging that large numbers of people, many of them stranded tourists, would be unable to leave, the city set up 10 places of last resort for people to go, including the Superdome.

The mayor called the order unprecedented and said anyone who could leave the city should. He exempted hotels from the evacuation order because airlines had already cancelled all flights.

Gov. Kathleen Blanco, standing beside the mayor at a news conference, said President Bush called and personally appealed for a mandatory evacuation for the low-lying city, which is prone to flooding.

So George Bush pressured them to declare a mandatory evacuation. Given George Bush's limited intellect, I think that fact that he more clue than they did proves they're a couple of idiots.

Without the mandatory evacuation, thousands that went to the dome would have instead died in their houses.

It appears, then, that George Bush's call saved thousands.

Let me see if I understand... Bush encouraged the mandatory evacuation order, but didn't make any special efforts to get people out of the city, say by coordinating efforts to bus people away from teh affected areas; imagine how much better off the affected people would be if there were busses to the astrodome a day or two before Katrina, instead of a week later.

Bush doesn't take all the blame here, but I don't understand why he is getting any credit either - there was no relief effort standing by at the nearest high ground, even though there were several days warning during which to prepare. The response was slower than American relief efforts halfway around the world, and Bush does bear some reponsibility for that. So do certain state governors who are too busy gladhanding to realize that their constituents are dying.

The evacuation order was a good step, but the overall management of the situation was and is an unmitigated disaster; more people could have been evacuated, soldiers could have been better equipped, stationed closer to the affected areas, and moved in sooner after the storm passed. I really feel for both the people of New Orleans, and the people tyring to help, who must know that if the higher-ups had done their job, some of the bodies floating down the streets might have had a chance to make it.

 

[mc6809e]

Let me see if I understand... Bush encouraged the mandatory evacuation order, but didn't make any special efforts to get people out of the city, say by coordinating efforts to bus people away from teh affected areas; imagine how much better off the affected people would be if there were busses to the astrodome a day or two before Katrina, instead of a week later.

What you describe are the duties of the Mayor and Governor. The President doesn't have the power you think he does.

Do you really want a dictator? Because that is where your argument is going.

 

[mc6809e]

You should be applauded or your efforts. I only wish I could do more to help besides donating money... People like mc6809e are just jacka$$es who ffel the need to praise Bush because that's all they know how to do.

And it's apparent that most people here only know how to blame Bush for everything.

They don't think for themselves. They are completely reactionary. The define themselves only as the opposite as Bush.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: mc6809e

Let me see if I understand... Bush encouraged the mandatory evacuation order, but didn't make any special efforts to get people out of the city, say by coordinating efforts to bus people away from teh affected areas; imagine how much better off the affected people would be if there were busses to the astrodome a day or two before Katrina, instead of a week later.

What you describe are the duties of the Mayor and Governor. The President doesn't have the power you think he does.

Do you really want a dictator? Because that is where your argument is going.

He doesn't have the authority to issue the orders (actually, I imagine he does in a time of crisis, but that power isn't necessary for what I'm talking about). but his office has the best rolodex in the country - when it comes to coordinating efforts across state lines, he or a member of his staff is the best choice for 'point-man'.

As I said, Bush doesn't bear anything like all the blame for the disastrous and embarrassing relief effort, but crediting him with 'saving lives' is ridiculus when he could have easily saved so many more.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: mc6809e

You should be applauded or your efforts. I only wish I could do more to help besides donating money... People like mc6809e are just jacka$$es who ffel the need to praise Bush because that's all they know how to do.

And it's apparent that most people here only know how to blame Bush for everything.

They don't think for themselves. They are completely reactionary. The define themselves only as the opposite as Bush.

Did you not read his response? I don't think 'blame bush' is a very good characterization of werk's response to Katrina.

 

[mc6809e]

How do you know what I'm doing?

You're obviously wasting time posting.

My friends and family have lost everything. This is where I grew up.

You should be embarrassed. How can a place so throughly screw itself? Seriously. I mean your governor just signed a contract for the new expansion on Aug. 17, just 12 days before Katrina hit. The price: $315 million. Construction would have begun years ago, for a cost of $275 million, but for some delays. There was a legal dispute over the contract in 2003, then in 2004 Gov. Kathleen Blanco tried to combine the expansion with a new stadium to replace the Superdome.

Circuses instead of better levees and disaster prep. But I guess that's the New Orleans approach to everything. Plenty of money for entertainment, but let someone else pay for the essentials. Shameful.

Right now I'm organizing a 501c3 not for profit to help people. Planning benefits in NYC to raise money. Sending care packages. Collecting contact information to keep people in touch with their loved ones. Using the skills I have to help people.

Keep up the good work and stop wasting time complaining about Bush or me. The people of New Orleans and Louisiana screwed themselves. Sure, it's good people are helping out, but the blame for the disaster lies squarely on the people that partied instead of prepared.

 

[BBond]

Are you insane? The question is, how many people did George Bush murder through rampant cronyism, blatant incompetence, acts of INTENTIONAL sabotage, and outright criminal negligence?

"Meet the Press"
Sunday September 4, 2005

Arron Broussard
President, Jefferson Parish, Louisiana

MR. RUSSERT: And we are back.

Jefferson Parish President Broussard, let me start with you. You just heard the director of Homeland Security's explanation of what has happened this last week. What is your reaction?

MR. AARON BROUSSARD: We have been abandoned by our own country. Hurricane Katrina will go down in history as one of the worst storms ever to hit an American coast, but the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina will go down as one of the worst abandonments of Americans on American soil ever in U.S. history. I am personally asking our bipartisan congressional delegation here in Louisiana to immediately begin congressional hearings to find out just what happened here. Why did it happen? Who needs to be fired? And believe me, they need to be fired right away, because we still have weeks to go in this tragedy. We have months to go. We have years to go. And whoever is at the top of this totem pole, that totem pole needs to be chain-sawed off and we've got to start with some new leadership.

It's not just Katrina that caused all these deaths in New Orleans here. Bureaucracy has committed murder here in the greater New Orleans area, and bureaucracy has to stand trial before Congress now. It's so obvious. FEMA needs more congressional funding. It needs more presidential support. It needs to be a Cabinet-level director. It needs to be an independent agency that will be able to fulfill its mission to work in partnership with state and local governments around America. FEMA needs to be empowered to do the things it was created to do. It needs to come somewhere, like New Orleans, with all of its force immediately, without red tape, without bureaucracy, act immediately with common sense and leadership, and save lives. Forget about the property. We can rebuild the property. It's got to be able to come in and save lives.

We need strong leadership at the top of America right now in order to accomplish this and to-- reconstructing FEMA.

MR. RUSSERT: Mr. Broussard, let me ask--I want to ask--should...

MR. BROUSSARD: You know, just some quick examples...

MR. RUSSERT: Hold on. Hold on, sir. Shouldn't the mayor of New Orleans and the governor of New Orleans bear some responsibility? Couldn't they have been much more forceful, much more effective and much more organized in evacuating the area?

MR. BROUSSARD: Sir, they were told like me, every single day, "The cavalry's coming," on a federal level, "The cavalry's coming, the cavalry's coming, the cavalry's coming." I have just begun to hear the hoofs of the cavalry. The cavalry's still not here yet, but I've begun to hear the hoofs, and we're almost a week out.

Let me give you just three quick examples. We had Wal-Mart deliver three trucks of water, trailer trucks of water. FEMA turned them back. They said we didn't need them. This was a week ago. FEMA--we had 1,000 gallons of diesel fuel on a Coast Guard vessel docked in my parish. The Coast Guard said, "Come get the fuel right away." When we got there with our trucks, they got a word. "FEMA says don't give you the fuel." Yesterday--yesterday--FEMA comes in and cuts all of our emergency communication lines. They cut them without notice. Our sheriff, Harry Lee, goes back in, he reconnects the line. He posts armed guards on our line and says, "No one is getting near these lines." Sheriff Harry Lee said that if America--American government would have responded like Wal-Mart has responded, we wouldn't be in this crisis.

But I want to thank Governor Blanco for all she's done and all her leadership. She sent in the National Guard. I just repaired a breach on my side of the 17th Street canal that the secretary didn't foresee, a 300-foot breach. I just completed it yesterday with convoys of National Guard and local parish workers and levee board people. It took us two and a half days working 24/7. I just closed it.

MR. RUSSERT: All right.

MR. BROUSSARD: I'm telling you most importantly I want to thank my public employees...

MR. RUSSERT: All right.

MR. BROUSSARD: ...that have worked 24/7. They're burned out, the doctors, the nurses. And I want to give you one last story and I'll shut up and let you tell me whatever you want to tell me. The guy who runs this building I'm in, emergency management, he's responsible for everything. His mother was trapped in St. Bernard nursing home and every day she called him and said, "Are you coming, son? Is somebody coming?" And he said, "Yeah, Mama, somebody's coming to get you. Somebody's coming to get you on Tuesday. Somebody's coming to get you on Wednesday. Somebody's coming to get you on Thursday. Somebody's coming to get you on Friday." And she drowned Friday night. She drowned Friday night.

MR. RUSSERT: Mr. President...

MR. BROUSSARD: Nobody's coming to get us. Nobody's coming to get us. The secretary has promised. Everybody's promised. They've had press conferences. I'm sick of the press conferences. For God sakes, shut up and send us somebody.

MR. RUSSERT: Just take a pause, Mr. President. While you gather yourself in your very emotional times, I understand, let me go to Governor Haley Barbour of Mississippi.

 

[Darkhawk28]

I find it quite ironic that the OP criticizes people of wasting time and posting on an internet forum, when he's doing the exact thing.

 

[Spamela]

did Bush save thousands?

sure he did.
don't forget that War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, and Ignorance is Strength, too.

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: mc6809e
From the article here:

Acknowledging that large numbers of people, many of them stranded tourists, would be unable to leave, the city set up 10 places of last resort for people to go, including the Superdome.

The mayor called the order unprecedented and said anyone who could leave the city should. He exempted hotels from the evacuation order because airlines had already cancelled all flights.

Gov. Kathleen Blanco, standing beside the mayor at a news conference, said President Bush called and personally appealed for a mandatory evacuation for the low-lying city, which is prone to flooding.

So George Bush pressured them to declare a mandatory evacuation. Given George Bush's limited intellect, I think that fact that he more clue than they did proves they're a couple of idiots.

Without the mandatory evacuation, thousands that went to the dome would have instead died in their houses.

It appears, then, that George Bush's call saved thousands.

You're a tool. How did you read "pressure" out of that statement? They probably had already decided.

Bush's call wasted their time.

 

[mc6809e]

You're a tool. How did you read "pressure" out of that statement? They probably had already decided.

Bush's call wasted their time.

Hardly.

It's obvious why they mentioned it: because they didn't want to do it in the first place and wanted someone to blame for it.

If everything had turned out fine, they would have blamed Bush for over-reacting.

And afterword, while people were complaining about how pointless the evactuation was, they'd point to Bush and say "but he told us too!"

But it didn't turn out that way. The Governor and Mayor were fools not to take this seriously and people died because of it. The had the resources, the power, the authority to use buses and other resources of the state, to put food and water in the dome, to appoint hundreds or even thousands of citizens as peace officers to help with the disaster, even to use the police to force evacuations like they have done in Florida.

But they didn't. They blew it off and are now paying.

 

[BBond]

I contacted all of my elected representatives and copied George W. Bush. I demanded that they immediately name an indpendent prosecutor to investigate criminal charges against FEMA personnel and the current leadership in Washington. I would hope that ALL Americans would do the same in the face of this abomination of government but I realize that there are some who will never demand accountability from those responsible for the criminal abandonment of tens of thousands of helpless Americans during a time of national disaster. For those few I truly hope that the next time -- and there will be a next time -- if the criminals you refuse to indict are still in power due to YOUR enabling, that you are the ones who suffer under them, not the elderly, the poor, and the innocent children whom America failed all along the Gulf Coast for all of those interminable days after the storm.

Contacting the Congress

Contacting the White House

 

[Engineer]

Saying Bush saved thousands is just as bad as blaming it all on Bush. It was a poor effort from the Federal level down to the city level.

There were/are mistakes all along the way AT ALL LEVELS. Really goes to show how bad it could be if a real WMD attack were to hit the US soil.

There were problems from top to bottom, and NO residents, whether right or wrong, able or unable to stay or leave, suffered.

Nice to see those people getting the help that they "deserve". Nobody, regardless of "personal responsibility" needs to suffer needlessly and for any length of time given the vast wealth and resources of the US.

 

[conjur]

"George Bush saved thousands of corporate executives from having to be accountable for their companies.

Fixed.