You realize this issue is being fought in the republican primary right? The issue is being driven by the solid frontrunner even, not some fringe backbencher
why post anything serious on this forum? The left on here isn't serious, its nothing but a bunch of nutters. They've pigeon holed everyone on the right as some mouth breathing extremist, use nothing but fallacies to support their arguments, while calling out anything that might approach that from something on the right. More then 1/2 of the left here believes in some moonbeam made up physco babble. The other half is just a stones throw away from wanting the USA to become a socialist country.
And like I stated before, the result of this poll clearly show how skewed this place is.
But facts have no place in a debate here
But if you have some good data to show us how unbiased P&N is, and how its not tilted like 10:1 liberal, then go ahead. I wont be holding my breath.
why post anything serious on this forum? The left on here isn't serious, its nothing but a bunch of nutters. They've pigeon holed everyone on the right as some mouth breathing extremist, use nothing but fallacies to support their arguments, while calling out anything that might approach that from something on the right. More then 1/2 of the left here believes in some moonbeam made up physco babble. The other half is just a stones throw away from wanting the USA to become a socialist country.
And like I stated before, the result of this poll clearly show how skewed this place is.
But facts have no place in a debate here
But if you have some good data to show us how unbiased P&N is, and how its not tilted like 10:1 liberal, then go ahead. I wont be holding my breath.
Oh please. You're so beyond simply being partisan that if the poll had been "was 1+1=2 during Bush's presidency," you'd vote "no" if you perceived that "yes" was somehow negative.why post anything serious on this forum? The left on here isn't serious, its nothing but a bunch of nutters. They've pigeon holed everyone on the right as some mouth breathing extremist, use nothing but fallacies to support their arguments, while calling out anything that might approach that from something on the right. More then 1/2 of the left here believes in some moonbeam made up physco babble. The other half is just a stones throw away from wanting the USA to become a socialist country.
And like I stated before, the result of this poll clearly show how skewed this place is.
But facts have no place in a debate here
But if you have some good data to show us how unbiased P&N is, and how its not tilted like 10:1 liberal, then go ahead. I wont be holding my breath.
70-5: ATPN is very liberal.this poll just shows how liberal PN is.
At what point will it ever occur to you that maybe some anti-conservative information is actually true?
It's so surprising that liberals blame Bush for all that is wrong with the world.
Anyone who thinks that it's a simple case of "If Bush hadn't invaded Iraq, everything would've returned to normal" is foolish.
this poll just shows how liberal PN is.
It's amazing you guys evaded the peril GWB brought down upon you.
Congrats.
/golf clap
Let's hold off on that until after the next election. It could blossom out to 20 or even 24 years.He and Obama will go down as the worst 16 years in this country's history.
Let's hold off on that until after the next election. It could blossom out to 20 or even 24 years.
On a more related note, I continue to get a chuckle out all the blame being heaped on Bush with none directed at Congress or at the people of the nation and their overwhelming support for those actions.
I guess it warms the heart on a cold night to think of the possibility of the cabal of traitors within the Bush regime being tried and convicted at the Hague for war crimes.
Let's hold off on that until after the next election. It could blossom out to 20 or even 24 years.
On a more related note, I continue to get a chuckle out all the blame being heaped on Bush with none directed at Congress or at the people of the nation and their overwhelming support for those actions.
I guess it warms the heart on a cold night to think of the possibility of the cabal of traitors within the Bush regime being tried and convicted at the Hague for war crimes.
If only we could change the past. But I fully understand that so many find solace in woulda, coulda, shoulda self inflicted mind games.Last leg of the triad was the intelligence presented to Congress and the people which involved cherry picking and lies came from the executive branch, Dick Cheney.
No, I want to see them convicted of war crimes right here in the USA. The Hague is for criminals from countries that can't/won't take care of their own scum. I choose to hope that the US is still capable of, eventually, cleaning up our trash.I guess it warms the heart on a cold night to think of the possibility of the cabal of traitors within the Bush regime being tried and convicted at the Hague for war crimes.
I guess it warms the heart on a cold night to think of the possibility of the cabal of traitors within the Bush regime being tried and convicted at the Hague for war crimes.
It could happen. Probably right after the RNC reimburses the taxpayers for the cost of the Benghazi committee.No, I want to see them convicted of war crimes right here in the USA. The Hague is for criminals from countries that can't/won't take care of their own scum. I choose to hope that the US is still capable of, eventually, cleaning up our trash.
Ohh come on, Bush fucked up everything from the beginning and Obama doubled down on the stupid with typical Chicago ineptitude. He and Obama will go down as the worst 16 years in this country's history.
You ain't seen nothing yet.
Ohh come on, Bush fucked up everything from the beginning and Obama doubled down on the stupid with typical Chicago ineptitude. He and Obama will go down as the worst 16 years in this country's history.
Those 8 years of Bush might not be the worst this country has ever had, but they rank up there. The 8 years with Obama, close to that? No. And nobody with a hint of objectiveness would agree with you on that.
Ok, let's start with foreign policy. It is an abject disaster. Middle east is worse off than it was before. Ukraine is a disaster. China is unchecked in the south China sea. Iranian deal will increase arms race in middle east. Cuban deal hasn't stopped dissident crackdown.The proof of how bad the shit-stain is that the Bush legacy left on this country, is the fact that in order for you to try to make Obama look bad, you have to attach him to it. Republicans WOULDN'T do that, unless they had no other alternative.
Those 8 years of Bush might not be the worst this country has ever had, but they rank up there. The 8 years with Obama, close to that? No. And nobody with a hint of objectiveness would agree with you on that.
Boy will it be grand if we get Sanders in there. I can already see some of you guys with your doomsday prophecy signs.
I can come up with more.
But both Clarke and Tenet grew deeply frustrated by the way top Bush officials responded. Clarke recounts that when he briefed Rice about al-Qaeda, “her facial expression gave me the impression that she had never heard the term before.” On January 25, Clarke sent Rice a memo declaring that, “we urgently need…a Principals [Cabinet] level review on the al Qida [sic] network.” Instead, Clarke got a sub-cabinet, Deputies level, meeting in April, two months after the one on Iraq.
When that April meeting finally occurred, according to Clarke’s book, Against All Enemies, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz objected that “I just don’t understand why we are beginning by talking about this one man, bin Laden.” Clarke responded that, “We are talking about a network of terrorist organizations called al-Qaeda, that happens to be led by bin Laden, and we are talking about that network because it and it alone poses an immediate and serious threat to the United States.” To which Wolfowitz replied, “Well, there are others that do as well, at least as much. Iraqi terrorism for example.”
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But the same Defense Department officials who discounted Clarke’s warnings pushed back against the CIA’s. According to Eichenwald’s sources, “the neoconservative leaders who had recently assumed power at the Pentagon were warning the White House that the C.I.A. had been fooled; according to this theory, Bin Laden was merely pretending to be planning an attack to distract the administration from Saddam Hussein, whom the neoconservatives saw as a greater threat.”