George W Bush kept us safe?

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Atreus21

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Where was returning to normal even a question here?

Perhaps I gleaned that from assumptions above, such as:

Whether you think he could have stopped 911 or not, invading Iraq made things less safe for pretty much everyone.

By the way, not only did Bush-Cheney NOT keep us safe, but the chaos created in Iraq (including all those Iraqi military officers thrown out of their jobs and forced to look for new work), which is widely cited as leading to the creation of ISIS, is the gift that keeps on giving.

Iraq under Saddam was the good old days.

He sure pushed for that war on Iraq, what a disaster and we are still suffering from the effects.
 

Atreus21

Lifer
Aug 21, 2007
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Yes I'm sure you hear that alllll the time.


Seriously though, it shouldn't be surprising that liberals and most others blame Cheney/Bush for a lot that is wrong with our foreign policy.
I'd be happy with there simply being no ISIS. I think several thousands of people in the M.E would agree with me.

And you think that ISIS wouldn't have ever manifest but for the Iraq war?
 

BoberFett

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Safety is an illusion. You can take steps that affect probability or impact of risk, but there's no such things as safety. If there was, insurance wouldn't exist.

Nothing he did affected the impact either way, but the probability was increased. Our meddling in the middle east (which to be fair isn't just Bush, but all recent presidents) increased probability, while the DHS and all of the email spying is a joke and nothing to reduce probability.
 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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I actually don't think there is much in the way of argument either for or against. A big chunk of the middle east however is empirically less safe largely due to him though.

However Jeb using that argument to sandbag questions about the multitude of unfavorably handled domestic and foreign policy issues that his brother's administration presided over while stocking up on his old advisors is problematic to say the least.
 

dank69

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It's so surprising that liberals blame Bush for all that is wrong with the world.

Anyone who thinks that it's a simple case of "If Bush hadn't invaded Iraq, everything would've returned to normal" is foolish.
There is a big difference between saying he made things worse and saying things would have returned to normal. What the hell qualifies as normal, anyway?
 

senseamp

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Feb 5, 2006
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Not only did Bush not keep us safe, he didn't even make us feel safe. Since 9/11 all the Republicans were doing is scaring Americans to get them to support stupid stuff like war on Iraq or Bush reelection.
 

Jaskalas

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Jun 23, 2004
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this poll just shows how liberal PN is.
Do you feel safer when being sexually abused at the airport?
This country has done terrible things in the wake of September 11th, and Bush is a big part of that. Iraq being the pinnacle F'up.

Your commentary implies voting yes. I'd like to hear someone explain to us how Bush "kept us safe".
 
Feb 16, 2005
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Do you feel safer when being sexually abused at the airport?
This country has done terrible things in the wake of September 11th, and Bush is a big part of that. Iraq being the pinnacle F'up.

Your commentary implies voting yes. I'd like to hear someone explain to us how Bush "kept us safe".

this, so much this. +1
 

michal1980

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Mar 7, 2003
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or maybe, how 'safe' dubya made us feel. remove your partisan blinders and look around, it's a big, big world out there.

Didnt the word 'feel' in the question.




For all this liberal talk here about how conservatives live in fear, this thread sure makes it sound like liberals are the ones afraid.
 

MongGrel

Lifer
Dec 3, 2013
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Didnt the word 'feel' in the question.




For all this liberal talk here about how conservatives live in fear, this thread sure makes it sound like liberals are the ones afraid.


Well, if nothing else it verifies how unsubstantiated your posts are in general.

I guess maybe you could migrate to another forum instead of hanging out here posting things people laugh about, and you just don't seem to realize that for some reason.

Next post will probably have the word sheeple in it, and more stupid shit rather than making any sense whatsoever.

You seem to have that whole fear thing backwards also, but that is another concept you have never really grasped either.

That or you're trying to be cute in some way, and you're not good at it.
 
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Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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Yeah seriously I'd rather bbq alligator than engage with close minded conservatives who aren't open to facts, just fear and war mongering.
 

michal1980

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Well, if nothing else it verifies how unsubstantiated your posts are in general.

I guess maybe you could migrate to another forum instead of hanging out here posting things people laugh about, and you just don't seem to realize that for some reason.

Next post will probably have the word sheeple in it, and more stupid shit rather than making any sense whatsoever.

You seem to have that whole fear thing backwards also, but that is another concept you have never really grasped either.

That or you're trying to be cute in some way, and you're not good at it.

why post anything serious on this forum? The left on here isn't serious, its nothing but a bunch of nutters. They've pigeon holed everyone on the right as some mouth breathing extremist, use nothing but fallacies to support their arguments, while calling out anything that might approach that from something on the right. More then 1/2 of the left here believes in some moonbeam made up physco babble. The other half is just a stones throw away from wanting the USA to become a socialist country.

And like I stated before, the result of this poll clearly show how skewed this place is.

But facts have no place in a debate here



But if you have some good data to show us how unbiased P&N is, and how its not tilted like 10:1 liberal, then go ahead. I wont be holding my breath.
 

MongGrel

Lifer
Dec 3, 2013
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why post anything serious on this forum? The left on here isn't serious, its nothing but a bunch of nutters. They've pigeon holed everyone on the right as some mouth breathing extremist, use nothing but fallacies to support their arguments, while calling out anything that might approach that from something on the right. More then 1/2 of the left here believes in some moonbeam made up physco babble. The other half is just a stones throw away from wanting the USA to become a socialist country.

And like I stated before, the result of this poll clearly show how skewed this place is.

But facts have no place in a debate here



But if you have some good data to show us how unbiased P&N is, and how its not tilted like 10:1 liberal, then go ahead. I wont be holding my breath.

You still wouldn't know a real fact if it hit you up side of the head apparently.

I'm not holding my breath either.

BBQ alligator tail is pretty tasty actually.

I guess a crapload of those still in the Everglades, and big snakes now a days.

I've always heard they tasted good also.
 
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sportage

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DUH! 9/11.

And by the way, Jeb isn't going to squirm out of this one, his affiliation with his brother AND the fact his advisors and staff are the very same thugs that brother GW hired.

Lets put it this way...
Can you imagine Jeb as president AND his brother GW, snugged faced, strolling around the whitehouse grounds arm in arm with brother Jebbie?
And to add insult, having Jeb tell the camera at every chance with brother GW at his side, "HE KEPT US SAFE. MY BROTHER. HE IS A GOOD MAN AND BROTHER."
And don't forget GW's little smug chuckle all the while Jeb is praising brother GW for the camera.
Do we really want to see that ????
 
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kage69

Lifer
Jul 17, 2003
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And you think that ISIS wouldn't have ever manifest but for the Iraq war?


You have no idea how ISIS started, do you?

It wasn't "just" the war, it was the likes of Cheney, Rumsfeld, Steel and Bremer deciding the largely Sunni military should be fired, which then later found itself on the receiving end of US organized Shi'a deathsquads who wanted payback via widespread ethnic cleansing. We put Maliki in power, who was regarded by many Sunni as "worse than Sadaam."

That is what started ISIS. It's birthplace was in an American prison, at Camp Bucca. It's leader, Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi was interned there for 5 years, and used his time and new friends there to create the nastiest jihadi force we've seen yet. Eight other ISIS commanders spent time with him there.

If we hadn't invaded at all, or at least didn't fire the army then decide to let our Shi'a friends go nuts either over revenge or a sectarian agenda, then yes, I'm pretty confident the only ISIS we'd be discussing online would be the one in Archer. You really should read up on Maliki and all the shit he did, particularly regarding any competition from Sunni politicians.
 
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kage69

Lifer
Jul 17, 2003
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Not only did Bush not keep us safe, he didn't even make us feel safe. Since 9/11 all the Republicans were doing is scaring Americans to get them to support stupid stuff like war on Iraq or Bush reelection.

Remember all the terror warnings that just happened to be announced right before the Dems were about to do something? Or there was a scandal that made the GOP look stupid or corrupt?

Ahhh, color coded good times. :biggrin:
 

cyclohexane

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Let's see, GWB poked the hornets nest and pissed off millions of terrorist. What do you think? Feel safer?
 
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