George Zimmerman arrested [again] on domestic violence charges

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That....doesn't add up. GF says shotgun brandished. That's a felony offense. That is grounds for a search (and seizure.)

They would still need a warrant, unless one of them consented to a search. Hard to see why she would not have, however.

His 911 call is pretty obviously him playing games. He really does seem like a shitbag at this point.

Spidey's conspiracy theory is, unsurprisingly, hilarious. "Somehow the blacks must be to blame for this!"
 

RampantAndroid

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They would still need a warrant, unless one of them consented to a search. Hard to see why she would not have, however.

His 911 call is pretty obviously him playing games. He really does seem like a shitbag at this point.

Spidey's conspiracy theory is, unsurprisingly, hilarious. "Somehow the blacks must be to blame for this!"

Oh....I guess I can see that. Hadn't realized that she could also give consent (or would need to) - but I can't see why she would say no to them searching for the gun. Wouldn't a report of a crime be enough for them to just go in? At what point can police say they have grounds for a search without consent?

But yeah, GZ seems like a real winner...

And we all know Spidey is off the deep end. I keep him on my ignore list for a reason. But you people keep quoting him!
 

classy

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Everyone else is just lying or crazy. Though all the stories sound earily similar. I'm beginning to think that a lot of the support he has on this forum is purely race based.

Exactly.

No matter what the incident and no matter who it was with, they all described this joker in the same manner. Trayvon I think just didn't take his stuff and he promptly shot him. The dude is a 1st class bully. A total out and out loser
 

nehalem256

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Oh....I guess I can see that. Hadn't realized that she could also give consent (or would need to) - but I can't see why she would say no to them searching for the gun. Wouldn't a report of a crime be enough for them to just go in? At what point can police say they have grounds for a search without consent?

But yeah, GZ seems like a real winner...

And we all know Spidey is off the deep end. I keep him on my ignore list for a reason. But you people keep quoting him!

Perhaps because:
Scheibe stepped back, at which time Zimmerman smashed a glass coffee table, belonging to Scheibe, with the butt of the Shotgun

The coffee table might be found intact?

Also wonder how long it will be until we found out the gf isn't actually pregnant.
 

Aegeon

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They would still need a warrant, unless one of them consented to a search. Hard to see why she would not have, however.
News reports are stating they are waiting for a search warrant.

This recent case currently before the Supreme Court is probably why since it appears there is a question in this situation if the police can search the place without a warrant if Zimmerman says no regardless of what the girlfriend says.
http://www.scotusblog.com/2013/11/a...-v-randolph-to-physically-present-co-tenants/

Basically it would seem obvious in this case the police see absolutely no reason to risk the evidence they find in the house being admissible in court by not taking the time to get a warrant first. (While the link suggests the Court might find it ok, its a matter of avoiding a pointless possible risk in a high profile case.)
 
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fskimospy

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Spidey, can you tell us what you think the odds are that Obama or someone in his administration was behind this? And can you please describe how you think the whole "plant" went down?

I can't be the only one that really wants to read that.
 

fskimospy

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Perhaps because:


The coffee table might be found intact?

Also wonder how long it will be until we found out the gf isn't actually pregnant.

Lol. As if on cue we have spidey blaming black people and nehalem blaming women, all based on basically zero information.

You guys never fail to disappoint.
 
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Spidey, can you tell us what you think the odds are that Obama or someone in his administration was behind this? And can you please describe how you think the whole "plant" went down?

I can't be the only one that really wants to read that.

I don't want to read that personally. Most of the times I think he is just some sociopathic, emotionally unstable mouth breather. But then he lets out something like that which reminds me he is probably also mentally unstable.
 

RampantAndroid

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Perhaps because:


The coffee table might be found intact?

Also wonder how long it will be until we found out the gf isn't actually pregnant.

The police had to force their way in to her residence to remove GZ and would have seen a broken table of lack thereof already. Additionally, GZ made a claim to the 911 operator that she had smashed her own coffee table...so GZ isn't disputing the table is broken.

Take your conspiracy theory somewhere else...
 

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The police had to force their way in to her residence to remove GZ and would have seen a broken table of lack thereof already. Additionally, GZ made a claim to the 911 operator that she had smashed her own coffee table...so GZ isn't disputing the table is broken.

Take your conspiracy theory somewhere else...

We also already have Zimmerman claiming in his own 911 call, linked here, that she is indeed pregnant.

But you're talking to nehalem, even more of a herp-a-derper than spidey.
 

Geosurface

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After hearing some more info come out about this, and seeing it get more complicated... I am not sure exactly what to think.

Nobody was injured... yet he's charged with battery. They don't know he pointed a gun at her, they only have her word on that.

I think one thing is absolutely clear even through the haze of "he said, she said" - Zimmerman is an immature guy with poor control of his own emotions. He's deeply flawed. He's not emotionally stable. In light of all this, it's only logical to assume that the women he's ending up with are not exactly the pinnacle of humanity either. People like this tend to end up with other people like this. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if every woman he's dated has been a basket case, emotional mess, borderline personality and a drama-addicted trashy person. Supposedly, she told the sheriff she's not actually pregnant? But GZ appears to have thought she was and said so in his 911 call...

Because of these considerations, it's hard to know how much her word can be trusted... keep in mind, because of who GZ is any woman who is with him instantly has this amazing trump card they can play. We get into an argument and you displease me? I can call the cops and you'll be all over the national news. I can have news helicopters above us in 5 minutes.

That sort of power over another person is hard to resist, especially as months tick by and the person knows they have that trump card... and if they aren't a moral and honest person, they may eventually play it. They may even play it at the first bumps in the road of the relationship.

If this woman had been lying to him about being pregnant with his baby... and that looks to be the case... that's huge. That's a huge indication of a willingness on her part to be hurtful and destructive to him and his life, and a huge indication of her willingness to lie to get her way. That says a lot.

Frankly, I think it's very possible that GZ was just getting his alibi out there in the 911 call as others have said, however... one thing that makes me think maybe he's telling the truth, is that in the background of her call you can hear him calmly saying "calm down, calm down"

Anyone who is naive enough to not realize that there are women out there (and men of course) who would be lying to the 911 dispatch about what was going on, at the very moment something else (or nothing) is ACTUALLY going on, needs to realize that such people do exist. They really do. And a woman who has you thinking she's pregnant with your child when she's not, is a good candidate for such things.

I saw this man break an iPad in a fit of anger, so I know he's a hotheaded idiot of some degree or another. I have no fucking clue whether he pointed a shotgun at her... or who broke the table... or who the crazier one is...

I think they're both likely trashy idiots, and if he gets out of this he needs to have the good sense not to get involved with any women for a while. He seriously needs to spend some time re-calibrating his mind, meditating, and somewhere FAR away from Florida.
 

Dari

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I can't believe I lost $3333 on the bet that Zimmerman would be found guilty, only for him to pull all these stunts after the verdict. G-d owes me big time.
 

Geosurface

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I can't believe I lost $3333 on the bet that Zimmerman would be found guilty, only for him to pull all these stunts after the verdict. G-d owes me big time.

Did you actually?

Who'd you bet? This sounds like a good story.
 

HomerJS

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Spidey, can you tell us what you think the odds are that Obama or someone in his administration was behind this? And can you please describe how you think the whole "plant" went down?

I can't be the only one that really wants to read that.

He can't help himself. Generic Zoloft.
 

classy

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After hearing some more info come out about this, and seeing it get more complicated... I am not sure exactly what to think.


When does reality set in?

The first woman he roughed up, you and others didn't believe her.
The woman who accused him of sexual assault, you and others didn't believe her.
The middle eastern man who talk about racist taunts, you and others didn't believe him.
His web page full of racist rants against mexicans, you and others said that was a long time ago.
He gets rough with a police officer, you and others just blow it off as nothing.
He brags about how people are afraid to rat him out, you and others just blow it off as nothing.
He kills a teenager in a bizarre turn of events, you and others praise him like a diety.
He convinces his wife to lie under oath, you and others blow it off.
He has been stopped for speeding twice.
He has been accused of roughing up an old man and intimidating his wife, you and others didn't believe her.
He now is being accused of being hostile with his current gf and given his history, you now sit there and say you don't know what to think?

Really?
 

Geosurface

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At this time, the question that is coalescing in my mind is this:

If this woman is verified to have lied about being pregnant with Zimmerman's child, and there is no hard evidence of him pointing the shotgun at her... and he doesn't admit to it... and on the call where she mentions it, you can hear him calmly asking her to "calm down, calm down" in the background... and there are no injuries...

is it really appropriate for him to serve time in jail or have a GPS anklet again based on her accusations? The accusations of what appears to be a verified liar?

And can we feel, with any certainty, that she isn't just using his reputation and situation against him in a spat? That she isn't crafting a narrative about what he supposedly did, which plays into that reputation, and plays into peoples' expectations of something he'd do?

Police were seen taking a soft gun case out of the house, but what does that prove? Jack shit. Both acknowledged his guns, and her guns, were present...
 

fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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After hearing some more info come out about this, and seeing it get more complicated... I am not sure exactly what to think.

Nobody was injured... yet he's charged with battery. They don't know he pointed a gun at her, they only have her word on that.

I think one thing is absolutely clear even through the haze of "he said, she said" - Zimmerman is an immature guy with poor control of his own emotions. He's deeply flawed. He's not emotionally stable. In light of all this, it's only logical to assume that the women he's ending up with are not exactly the pinnacle of humanity either. People like this tend to end up with other people like this. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if every woman he's dated has been a basket case, emotional mess, borderline personality and a drama-addicted trashy person. Supposedly, she told the sheriff she's not actually pregnant? But GZ appears to have thought she was and said so in his 911 call...

Because of these considerations, it's hard to know how much her word can be trusted... keep in mind, because of who GZ is any woman who is with him instantly has this amazing trump card they can play. We get into an argument and you displease me? I can call the cops and you'll be all over the national news. I can have news helicopters above us in 5 minutes.

This is not good reasoning. You're saying in effect that because you know George Zimmerman can't be trusted you're going to assume this person you don't know anything about cannot be trusted because they associate with George Zimmerman and therefore both accounts are equally untrustworthy.

Surely you can see the flaw in that. It means that effectively no one can credibly accuse George Zimmerman of domestic abuse because by virtue of being in a situation to be abused by George Zimmerman you surrender your credibility.

Who knows what the facts are here, but you should trust or distrust this woman's story based on the evidence.
 
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