George Zimmerman at it again ... a gun auction

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madoka

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You are a big reason why these forms have gone to crap. You are a CYBER Coward Period.

Are you freakin' kidding me?!?!?!

I've argued with DrPizza before, but in this case he is absolutely right. He speaks the truth. You'd have to purposely ignore reality to argue against him.

You want to know who are the cowards and liars are?

Here's how the NY Times described the case SEVEN weeks after TM/GZ happened:

A boy's blood had been spilled on a rain-soaked patch of grass behind a row of mustard-colored condominiums by a man who had pursued him against the advice of 911 dispatchers. That man carried a 9-millimeter handgun. The boy carried a bag of candy.

Now that's how you'd describe it if you wanted to further your agenda and not the truth. And you fell for it.
 

QueBert

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Are you freakin' kidding me?!?!?!

I've argued with DrPizza before, but in this case he is absolutely right. He speaks the truth. You'd have to purposely ignore reality to argue against him.

You want to know who are the cowards and liars are?

Here's how the NY Times described the case SEVEN weeks after TM/GZ happened:



Now that's how you'd describe it if you wanted to further your agenda and not the truth. And you fell for it.

NY Time's retelling, even if a bit biased sounding, is no more incorrect than the morons screaming "he was buying stuff to make Lean, an illegal drug!!!" Trayvon had done NOTHING illegal that night, and he WAS NOT making Lean, period.
 

madoka

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How could he have been denied buying something that's not available OTC? Robitussin doesn't have codeine, as nothing else OTC does. NyQuil + Skittles + Watermelon juice doesn't equal lean, not even close. Was he trying to make something similar? Maybe, but that doesn't explain why the skittles were still unopened and he had been drinking the juice. Also before his shooting I'd never heard of this concoction he was making. Lean is Sprite + Jolly Ranchers + Promethazine + Codeine, and sometimes Vodka. Trayvon's variation was news to me, and where I live Purple Stuff is the drink of choice for what seems like almost everybody. Lean is ILLEGAL, Martin was at worst trying to make a knock off. Which wouldn't have even been illegal to make or consume, stupid? yes but nothing he would get in trouble for.

Please point me to this mythical 7-11 where I can go and buy codeine based cough syrup. I'll send half my block there and the store owner will be unable to keep it in stock.

You're missing the point. TM wasn't some innocent kid buying candy like the media described. He was a heavy drug user who had long term damage to his liver (according to the coroner) from drinking lean.
 

Svnla

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NY Time's retelling, even if a bit biased sounding, is no more incorrect than the morons screaming "he was buying stuff to make Lean, an illegal drug!!!" Trayvon had done NOTHING illegal that night, and he WAS NOT making Lean, period.

Smashing another guy's head multiple times on concrete is NOT illegal? Are you in the US or some banana republic?
 

madoka

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NY Time's retelling, even if a bit biased sounding, is no more incorrect than the morons screaming "he was buying stuff to make Lean, an illegal drug!!!" Trayvon had done NOTHING illegal that night, and he WAS NOT making Lean, period.

Educate yourself:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-bl...myth-coverage-zimmerman-verdict-and-trayvon-m

We have screen grabs of him trying to score some codeine online, and instead being told he could make some "fire-ass lean" using cough syrup, skittles, and Arizona Watermelon Fruit Juice Cocktail. Seems a bit of a coincidence to me that the only two items he picked up out of the entire 7-11 were two-thirds of the ingredients needed to make "lean."

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2012/06/what_the_media_choose_not_to_know_about_trayvon.html
 

QueBert

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Educate yourself, there's not a 7-11 anywhere in the US where one can buy codeine based cough syrup. Also Promethazine's required to make lean. Those 2 things aren't optional ingredients. It would be like me saying I was making Spaghetti, but I didn't have pasta or tomato sauce. MAYBE he was trying to make a similar drink with NyQuil, or some other OTC medication. But, that wouldn't have been Lean, and wouldn't have been illegal to make or consume. Get back to me when I can go to prison for mixing NyQuil with Watermelon Arizona.
 

madoka

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Educate yourself, there's not a 7-11 anywhere in the US where one can buy codeine based cough syrup. Also Promethazine's required to make lean. Those 2 things aren't optional ingredients. It would be like me saying I was making Spaghetti, but I didn't have pasta or tomato sauce. MAYBE he was trying to make a similar drink with NyQuil, or some other OTC medication. But, that wouldn't have been Lean, and wouldn't have been illegal to make or consume. Get back to me when I can go to prison for mixing NyQuil with Watermelon Arizona.

I understand you may be a dumbass, so I'll try again. This time, read my quote again before you respond:

We have screen grabs of him trying to score some codeine online, and instead being told he could make some "fire-ass lean" using cough syrup, skittles, and Arizona Watermelon Fruit Juice Cocktail.

He DIDN'T NEED CODEINE from 7-11.

If he had cough syrup at home, then all he needs are the two ingredients the bought at 7-11, which happen to be the only things he bought. He was a heavy drug user as shown by his damaged liver, not some kid wanting candy and juice.

At this point is seems the people defending TM have gone beyond willful ignorance and into willful stupidity.
 

desura

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I feel bad for Dr Pizza, he's all covered in urine from pissing into the wind, by trying to use facts and evidence and all that useless stuff on these morons.

It's one of the things about California that flat made me crazy, the drop out rate from school was >50%, and the number of CA natives that were so goddamn stupid they couldn't use or display critical thinking or perform grade school math, but they were so goddamn clueless and had big mouths about everything.

Eh, this really is one of those cases where arguing about it is like competing in the special olympics. I've argued about this case...like two years ago. It's the same thing and it'll never end. I swear, in the annals of internet history this case will be the one which provokes the most pages of debate.
 

cubby1223

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the only thing that mattered to me was that Zimmerman was told by the authority not to pursue, and he did. To me this is an important turning point of the incident.

This was the saddest part about this whole situation. How this became fact in so many people's minds is just unfathomable... It takes all of about 2 minutes to actually look up what was actually said during the call. But nobody cares to even look it up. Something that sets your mind in such a defiant position... and nobody will take the 2 minutes to just verify if what they were told was true or not.

In today's world a twitter re-tweets is more powerful than direct audio recordings...
 

Ichinisan

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Yet, TM leaving his home, as stated by his gf, was an even more stupid decision to make if he really was a scared little teenager. But other statements testified by his gf at trial say otherwise. In trying to blame GZ, lets not forget the blame TM earned.

So he was wrong in traveling to a 7-11 for snacks?, yea, that makes sense.

Ignoring facts again...

GZ stopped following and TM arrived at home. Then, TM went back out to confront GZ.
 

Ichinisan

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Your right Trevor was a angsty teen.
"Violent drug-addicted thief" is a better description.


But did he deserve to die?
Yes. He was brutally attacking a neighborhood watchman. A neighborhood watchman that was just looking out for his neighbors (which includes TM's father).

Did Zimmerman have the right to wander his neighborhood late at night with a gun in his pocket looking to confront people he deemed out of place?
Yes.

However, GZ didn't "confront" TM. He followed him for a short time and then stopped following.
 

Ichinisan

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You know what, I'll agree with that, TM (if he threw the 1st punch), needed to show self-control but if you're GZ and deep-down you know that you possess the fighting skills of a gnat the chance the gun comes into play is close to 100%. Errors by BOTH parties led to a tragic and unnecessary dead kid. Now lets profit!....THAT pisses me off, GZ is as much a "punk" as TM ever was.

It's an "error" to be armed in a situation where it proved to be necessary?
 

Ichinisan

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NY Time's retelling, even if a bit biased sounding, is no more incorrect than the morons screaming "he was buying stuff to make Lean, an illegal drug!!!" Trayvon had done NOTHING illegal that night, and he WAS NOT making Lean, period.

Let's see...

NYT said:
...a man who had pursued him against the advice of 911 dispatchers
Firstly, "follow" is not the same as "pursue." GZ had no intention to physically catch anyone.

Secondly, GZ did not continue to follow after it was suggested that he shouldn't (for his own safety).

"911 dispatchers." -- It was a non-emergency dispatcher, which someone in his position has on speed dial.

Half a sentence with at least 3 lies and grossly misleading distortions.
 
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Elganja

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So Quebert... I want to understand your argument correctly. You believe it was okay for TM to leave his house to seek out GZ to fight him? And that is somehow GZ fault causing the confrontation?

Or are you saying people should get their heads bashed in, and "take it like a man"?
 

Elganja

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TM isnt in the right either. However he shouldnt die because small man felt immortal with a gun in his pocket. I bet dollars to donuts they had words or something happened between them before tm beat his pussy ass.

So he is a "pussy ass" for getting his head bashed in, fearing for his life? that is your argument?

What does feeling immortal have to do with him getting his head bashed in?
 

JoeBleed

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So he was wrong in traveling to a 7-11 for snacks?, yea, that makes sense.

No, that's not what i'm talking about. If you'd read the facts you'd see that after he was followed he got home, then left again looking for GZ.
 
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