George Zimmerman at it again ... a gun auction

[Svnla]

Those are horrible straw man arguments.

Of course I was being sarcastic and a bit outrageous in my examples but my points still stand. You can't expect a "fair fight" or tit for tat in real life, ie. if a guy has no gun and only used his fists, then his opponent should "ONLY" use the fists to fight back. No other weapons or anything/anyone else allowed. Can't escalate more than that. Only bruises/broken jaw/bones and no death allowed.

It does NOT work that way in the real world. Period. That's why you don't act like a bad ass motherf**er and assault other people (as TM did that night) because you could be shot to death by one of them.

Nothing about what DrPizza said in his long post of summary of facts about TM vs. GZ? Nothing about how TM smashed GZ head? So much for the innocent 12 years old kid being slaughtered by the hulky scary looking "white hispanic" in prison dress lie being fed by the media for so long. LOL.

 

[Ns1]

Bare handed?

I don't think so
GZ would have had a good beating.

All it takes is one wrong bounce off the concrete. Then you go home, go to bed, and never wake up.

 

[Darkstar757]

Exactly my point as to why he is a scum bag.


You sir are a decent caring human. I wish the world was full of more people you like you.:thumbsup:

I don't really know or care if GZ was right & justified in what he did, or wrong & guilty...

It's a major douchebag thing to try to turn a profit from a situation where a life was taken.

It's just me, but if I were forced to kill someone, even if I were 100% correct in taking that action, it would probably haunt me for the rest of my life.

 

[Chiropteran]

Bare handed?

I don't think so
GZ would have had a good beating.

Look, if it was you, would thinking you might survive be good enough, or would you defend yourself to the best of your ability?

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004888.html

767 people were killed by beating with bare hands in 2012. It's not unheard of.

Sure, the world would be a better place if everyone else but me would throw their life away when the time comes, but it's not a very fair argument to make unless you are willing to do the same when you are in those shoes.

 

[JSt0rm]

Of course I was being sarcastic and a bit outrageous in my examples but my points still stand.

Oh so you realize that word salad you made was dumb. Ok then.

 

[QueBert]

But it doesn't seem to be a fist fight. GZ didn't start a fight, didn't go looking for a fight. the known person that loved to fight and make people bleed, went looking for a fight. except TM went well beyond a simple fist fight. He was trying to kill or, at least, cause serious harm to GZ. There was not a simple fist fight to settle difference. It was assault by TM on someone that suspected him as doing something illegal and were following him to let the police know where to go. He apparently wasn't even taunting him. GZ didn't try to enter TM's home. TM left his home/property once he had gotten there safely to leave looking to beat the shit out of a creepy cracker that may be a gay rapist according to his gf's statement.

LOL Georgie was no angel, both were known thugs. George had done plenty of thug shit before this, and plenty since he shot Trayvon. I wouldn't be surprised if Georgie had went looking for trouble and got in over his head. He's a known hot head.

 

[Svnla]

Oh so you realize that word salad you made was dumb. Ok then.

LOL @ you trying so hard to cherry picked my post. Why not post my whole post and not pieces? Still nothing about my questions? Nothing about not to act like a bad ass motherf***?

Ok then. Keep open mouth, insert foot for the whole world to see. Keep whining and crying while riding that butthurt train.


I can see it now, in your imagine world of reality. You = "Ladies and gentlemen, my client only tried to use his hands to choke this lady so he could rape her but she did not fight back with her hands. How dare she used a concealed gun to shoot him to death? He NEVER mean to kill her but she did kill him in cold blood. Do you know why? Because she is a pussy and a wimp. It was not fair. He did not deserve the death sentence. Now I demand justice...whaaaaaaaaaa". LOL.

Keep dreaming about those "fair fights/mano a mano contests". Using weapons/tools to defense = wimps/pussies, right? Goodness the level of stupidity is strong indeed.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Look, if it was you, would thinking you might survive be good enough, or would you defend yourself to the best of your ability?

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004888.html

767 people were killed by beating with bare hands in 2012. It's not unheard of.

Sure, the world would be a better place if everyone else but me would throw their life away when the time comes, but it's not a very fair argument to make unless you are willing to do the same when you are in those shoes.

I've been beaten a few times, you get better. While some people die from bare hand fights its extremely unlikely. I'd bet they'd both be in more danger of getting killed by a drunk driver while fighting each other. Your opinion is noted and I don't think you're a pussy or insane to have it.

 

[JoeBleed]

LOL Georgie was no angel, both were known thugs. George had done plenty of thug shit before this, and plenty since he shot Trayvon. I wouldn't be surprised if Georgie had went looking for trouble and got in over his head. He's a known hot head.

maybe, but from the evidence given, GZ has done the neighborhood watch thing with little to no issue before. the 911 recordings didn't indicate he was instigating or escalating the situation. TM on the other hand, left safety to go look for GZ. then he started beating GZ.

 

[Ns1]

I've been beaten a few times, you get better. While some people die from bare hand fights its extremely unlikely.

But would you be willing to bet your life on it? I sure as fuck wouldn't - probably because my buddy got sucker punched, hit his head on the concrete, and died the next day.

 

[Chiropteran]

I've been beaten a few times, you get better. While some people die from bare hand fights its extremely unlikely. I'd bet they'd both be in more danger of getting killed by a drunk driver while fighting each other. Your opinion is noted and I don't think you're a pussy or insane to have it.

Also, keep in mind he was *told* to carry a gun because of a dangerous loose dog in the area. Knowing you had a loaded gun on your person, getting beat up by some kid possibly high on drugs, would you really choose to *not* use the gun for personal protection, knowing it could be taken and used against you?

 

[QueBert]

But would you be willing to bet your life on it? I sure as fuck wouldn't - probably because my buddy got sucker punched, hit his head on the concrete, and died the next day.

I've been in over 100 fights and am still alive. Most of my friends have been in a ton of fights and none have even been serious injured. While something bad could happen, me driving on the 405's more dangerous than me getting into a fist fight.

 

[Ns1]

I've been in over 100 fights and am still alive. Most of my friends have been in a ton of fights and none have even been serious injured. While something bad could happen, me driving on the 405's more dangerous than me getting into a fist fight.

interpreted differently, both are dangerous and you should protect yourself in whatever way possible, either via seatbelts & airbags or putting holes in your attacker.

 

[TechBoyJK]

I've been beaten a few times, you get better. While some people die from bare hand fights its extremely unlikely. I'd bet they'd both be in more danger of getting killed by a drunk driver while fighting each other. Your opinion is noted and I don't think you're a pussy or insane to have it.

While you're not wrong, something has to be said about the state of mind someone is in while they are being beaten.

If I'm getting my ass kicked by my brother, I have pretty good understanding that he's not going to murder me. I've been on the bad end of abuse from a much larger brother many times and while I hated it, I learned to suck it up and take it, and then walk away.

However, I've been jumped before by dudes I did not know as part of a robbery, and my state of mind was far different. I didn't know if it was 'just a beating'. I didn't know what they would do to me if I was knocked out. You just don't know. So there's a much heightened sense of fear that is added to that situation.

Because of this, being beaten by someone you don't know when you didn't expect it can certainly qualify as a situation that merits deadly force for self defense. Even if, in hindsight, it was a beating you could walk away from, if you don't know that during the beating, all bets are off. You simply don't know what's coming next. It could be just some harsh words, or a 12" serrated knife in your chest.

 

[TechBoyJK]

I've been in over 100 fights and am still alive. Most of my friends have been in a ton of fights and none have even been serious injured. While something bad could happen, me driving on the 405's more dangerous than me getting into a fist fight.

That's your experience though. It's essentially anecdotal. Plenty of people have only been in 1 fight and died. I've personally seen both severe injury and death from bar fights. It does happen.

 

[thesmokingman]

Also, keep in mind he was *told* to carry a gun because of a dangerous loose dog in the area. Knowing you had a loaded gun on your person, getting beat up by some kid possibly high on drugs, would you really choose to *not* use the gun for personal protection, knowing it could be taken and used against you?

That's so bull. Pepper spray is how you deal with loose dogs. Just ask any mail carrier who deal with aggressive dogs daily. Wait does GZ have a right to brandish a firearm, got CCW?

 

[QueBert]

That's your experience though. It's essentially anecdotal. Plenty of people have only been in 1 fight and died. I've personally seen both severe injury and death from bar fights. It does happen.

Yes it does, and plenty of people have died from eating Chicken or some other tainted food. Life's full of risks. For every one person who dies from a fight, there are tens of thousands who don't. obviously not fighting is always safer. But I'm more worried about getting struck by lighting then I am dying from a fight. I went to a high school in the ghetto that had probably 8 fights a day. In 3 years nobody died, sure it's anecdotal. But that's thousands of fights without a single fatality.

 

[DrPizza]

LOL Georgie was no angel, both were known thugs. George had done plenty of thug shit before this, and plenty since he shot Trayvon. I wouldn't be surprised if Georgie had went looking for trouble and got in over his head. He's a known hot head.

The evidence in this case: George had called the police about suspicious individuals dozens of times. Zero confrontations, zero "starting shit."

 

[brokEN2]

Well you're most certainly free to believe what you want but it's already been the case has already been tried and proven otherwise.

You might as well try to proclaim the earth is flat.

Havent really read the whole thread and what not and nor am I attacking you but I am assuming with this logic you also believe Casey Anthony is truly innocent?OJ Simpson? Im sure there's others as well and just because they are proven not guilty or guilty by our justice system doesnt always mean they truly are as we have seen many ppl get found of guilty of crimes they never committed when the years pass and more information comes to light and they are then removed of those charges(and vice versa).

 

[Ns1]

Yes it does, and plenty of people have died from eating Chicken or some other tainted food. Life's full of risks. For every one person who dies from a fight, there are tens of thousands who don't. obviously not fighting is always safer. But I'm more worried about getting struck by lighting then I am dying from a fight. I went to a high school in the ghetto that had probably 8 fights a day. In 3 years nobody died, sure it's anecdotal. But that's thousands of fights without a single fatality.

that's probably because you're a big dude. for us manlets, we need guns to make sure we don't die.

In the great words of Chris Rock:

And everybody's talking about gun control,
got to get rid of the guns.

Fuck that. l like guns.

You got a gun, you don't have to work out.

l ain't working out. l ain't jogging.

You got pecs, l got Tecs.

Fuck that shit.

Havent really read the whole thread and what not and nor am I attacking you but I am assuming with this logic you also believe Casey Anthony is truly innocent?OJ Simpson? Im sure there's others as well and just because they are proven not guilty or guilty by our justice system doesnt always mean they truly are as we have seen many ppl get found of guilty of crimes they never committed when the years pass and more information comes to light and they are then removed of those charges(and vice versa).

no matter what I believe, 12 people sat in a room, discussed, and came to a conclusion after hearing a shitload more evidence than I'll ever read on the internet.

 

[DrPizza]

I've been beaten a few times, you get better. While some people die from bare hand fights its extremely unlikely. I'd bet they'd both be in more danger of getting killed by a drunk driver while fighting each other. Your opinion is noted and I don't think you're a pussy or insane to have it.

767 people died in "fist fights" in 2012. Can you show us the stats where 768 or more people were hit and killed by drunk drivers while engaged in a fight? You'd be an idiot if you made the bet you just claimed you would.

 

[thesmokingman]

767 people died in "fist fights" in 2012. Can you show us the stats where 768 or more people were hit and killed by drunk drivers while engaged in a fight? You'd be an idiot if you made the bet you just claimed you would.

767 in fist fights. How many died of GCW in that same time?


quick google got 2010 numbers


In 2010, guns took the lives of 31,076 Americans in homicides, suicides and unintentional shootings. This is the equivalent of more than 85 deaths each day and more than three deaths each hour.1
73,505 Americans were treated in hospital emergency departments for non-fatal gunshot wounds in 2010.2
Firearms were the third-leading cause of injury-related deaths nationwide in 2010, following poisoning and motor vehicle accidents.3


http://smartgunlaws.org/gun-deaths-and-injuries-statistics/


So yall are more fearful of fist fights than getting shot dead?

 

[DrPizza]

I've been in over 100 fights and am still alive. Most of my friends have been in a ton of fights and none have even been serious injured. While something bad could happen, me driving on the 405's more dangerous than me getting into a fist fight.

In real life, you must be a complete asshole, else a bully, if you've been in 100 fights. Unless you're into a sport like boxing or martial arts and you're being disingenuous to describe fights as being similar to a street fight.

I went to a high school in the ghetto that had probably 8 fights a day. In 3 years nobody died,

3 years, 180 days in a school year, 8 fights a day. 4320 fights. You were responsible for 100 of them, or 1 in 43?

 

[DrPizza]

That's so bull. Pepper spray is how you deal with loose dogs. Just ask any mail carrier who deal with aggressive dogs daily. Wait does GZ have a right to brandish a firearm, got CCW?

Uhh, how is that bull? That was evidence that was presented in court. He was told to carry a gun in addition to pepper spray because of a pit-bull in the area.

 

[JulesMaximus]

that's probably because you're a big dude. for us manlets, we need guns to make sure we don't die.



no matter what I believe, 12 people sat in a room, discussed, and came to a conclusion after hearing a shitload more evidence than I'll ever read on the internet.

I'm curious, how many people have you killed in self defense exactly? How many fights have you been in? How many times have you prevented a death with your gun (assuming you could even qualify that). :sneaky:

I'm almost 50 and I can tell you the stats for me.

Number of kills in self defense (or any capacity): Zero
Number of fights been in: One
Times I've prevented a death or even a crime with a gun: Zero