Prosecutors argued Kaarma was intent on luring an intruder into his garage after it had had been burglarized at least once in the weeks before the shooting. Three witnesses testified they had heard Kaarma say he had been waiting up nights to shoot an intruder.
On the night of the shooting, authorities said, Kaarma left his garage door partially open with a purse inside. He fired four shotgun blasts, pausing between the third and fourth shots, witnesses said.
It is possible that he was truthful from his perspective, but that if Martin had survived then he would have had quite a different perspective.
Ultimately the problem is with the laws and the societal norms.
I don't think anyone here is arguing Zimmerman is a fine, upstanding citizen. The guy's a douchebag.
I wouldn't say he was either but let's not fudge on the simple, common-sense fact here, Zimmerman felt "empowered" because he was carrying a deadly weapon. Had he not been packing I doubt he exits his car and follows TM. Common-sense should have also told GZ NOT to try and follow TM since he had just ran off and was in a frightened/angry situation simultaneously. The cops had already been notified and were en-route, let them handle it, just because it's not illegal to go looking for TM does not absolve the fact that it's a moronic thing to do and the chances of something bad happening are extremely high.
Following him with a gun? That's basic activity????
Aperson has a right to walk the streets w/o being followed by a nut brandishing a gun, yea?black person
Neighborhood watch, is WATCH not follow with a gun. He should have called the cops. It's their purview.
But he's NOT an LEO and that's why it was a crappy idea. Would you be possibly pissed off/scared if someone was creeping behind you in an SUV while you were just walking home?. I'm not absolving TM's responsibility for launching a fist-fight with GZ but if GZ isn't there nothing happens and a 17yr old carrying snacks does not wind up dead.
Let's see here, you're walking back from the 7-11 with snacks and someone is creeping along behind you at 1-2 MPH, let's just leave anyone's race out of this scenario because it's irrelevant at this point. My simple question or "common sense" dictates that you ask yourself "WTF is this dude up to, I haven't bothered him or walked in his path forcing him to stop, why is he tailing me?". GZ did not live at that exact area so he was not parking his vehicle as one would arriving home and common sense DOES say if someone runs off they were frightened by you're tailing him. GZ's track record since this incident has not exactly been stellar to say the least.
So humor me, TM supporters, GZ haters... ignore #1 above. Let's just look at #2 objectively. So darkswordsman17, JSt0rm, Quebert, etc... explain to me how #2 should have played out? or for that matter, what did GZ do wrong when he defended himself?
yeah cause Trayvon met GZ out of nowhere huh? Give me a break. it's the chicken or the egg syndrome. what came first?
You are an idiot. Didn't you read the timeline as explained by DrPizza? TM went back and found GZ. GZ was being a good neighbor and had every right to suspect that the thief/burglar TM was up to no good.
Last month a Hispanic stranger with a large empty backpack came to my street. That guy went into my neighbor's backyard and at first I thought he was a gardener or handyman. Then he started going into the backyards of every unoccupied house and looking through windows. At that point, we called the police and warned our neighbors about what happened. That's what good neighbors do.
You are an idiot. Didn't you read the timeline as explained by DrPizza? TM went back and found GZ. GZ was being a good neighbor and had every right to suspect that the thief/burglar TM was up to no good.
Last month a Hispanic stranger with a large empty backpack came to my street. That guy went into my neighbor's backyard and at first I thought he was a gardener or handyman. Then he started going into the backyards of every unoccupied house and looking through windows. At that point, we called the police and warned our neighbors about what happened. That's what good neighbors do.
it amazes me that people turn a blind eye to the facts laid out in court... esp facts from the prosecution that ended up being helpful to the defense
what I also find hilarious (hypocritical) is that there were 2 situations:
1. GM following TM
2. TM, leaving his house, to seek out GM to beat his ass
They need to be looked at independently from each other because #1 does not justify #2 in any fashion since #1 ended the moment TM reach his household
So humor me, TM supporters, GZ haters... ignore #1 above. Let's just look at #2 objectively. So darkswordsman17, JSt0rm, Quebert, etc... explain to me how #2 should have played out? or for that matter, what did GZ do wrong when he defended himself?
Also that guy could be a criminal or a guy looking to sell home remodeling that's a little too hungry for business.
Are you suggesting that Zimmerman's injuries were self-inflicted - with witnesses present - with police a mere 120 seconds away??! Holy shit. I'm not sure it's even possible to discuss this logically with you, if that's the type of thought you come up with.If I killed some guy it wouldn't take much for me to create injuries on myself. Do you think someone should be able to ccw and creep around at night? Police have uniforms on for a reason. They carry their weapons in the open for a reason. Citizen cops with a gun in their pocket are a bad idea.
Read the freaking facts presented at trial! His phone was still on when the pummeling began. Deedee heard Trayvon speak first, then George, then there was the sound of someone hitting the ground.TM isnt in the right either. However he shouldnt die because small man felt immortal with a gun in his pocket. I bet dollars to donuts they had words or something happened between them before tm beat his pussy ass.
Yet, TM leaving his home, as stated by his gf, was an even more stupid decision to make if he really was a scared little teenager. But other statements testified by his gf at trial say otherwise. In trying to blame GZ, lets not forget the blame TM earned.
Are you suggesting that Zimmerman's injuries were self-inflicted - with witnesses present - with police a mere 120 seconds away??! Holy shit. I'm not sure it's even possible to discuss this logically with you, if that's the type of thought you come up with.
Read the freaking facts presented at trial! His phone was still on when the pummeling began. Deedee heard Trayvon speak first, then George, then there was the sound of someone hitting the ground.
And, you know what? It doesn't matter if they had words. No matter what names I call you, if it makes you think you need to start beating someone up, you're a poor excuse for a human being with virtually no self-control.
A forum full of racists defend a racist. Next up Gravity is a theory.
Are you suggesting that Zimmerman's injuries were self-inflicted - with witnesses present - with police a mere 120 seconds away??! Holy shit. I'm not sure it's even possible to discuss this logically with you, if that's the type of thought you come up with.
Read the freaking facts presented at trial! His phone was still on when the pummeling began. Deedee heard Trayvon speak first, then George, then there was the sound of someone hitting the ground.
And, you know what? It doesn't matter if they had words. No matter what names I call you, if it makes you think you need to start beating someone up, you're a poor excuse for a human being with virtually no self-control.
Read the facts as presented in the case. Trayvon confronted George, not vice versa. You've got it wrong yet again.Your right Trevor was a angsty teen. But did he deserve to die? Did Zimmerman have the right to wander his neighborhood late at night with a gun in his pocket looking to confront people he deemed out of place?
He wasn't getting a snack, he was getting the ingredients to make lean. He was denied the purchase of codeine based cough syrup.So he was wrong in traveling to a 7-11 for snacks?, yea, that makes sense.
Man, this debate can go on for pages and pages. Just look at this crap.
He wasn't getting a snack, he was getting the ingredients to make lean. He was denied the purchase of codeine based cough syrup.
He wasn't getting a snack, he was getting the ingredients to make lean. He was denied the purchase of codeine based cough syrup.