George Zimmerman suffers minor wounds from glass in gunshot incident

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cabri

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Uhh, Apple-guy is innocent until proven guilty too, you guys. Come on now. Let's not stoop to the same level as those who prematurely condemned Zimmerman.

True.

911 confession that he shot at Zimmerman is statement of fact.

Now comes the trial of intent.

I am sure that there will be plenty of anti-Zimmerman support/lawyers out there. Aybe even the state office will help by appoint Zimmerman's prosecutor as a Public Defender
 

CZroe

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Good someone needs to be charged. Florida needs to crack down on this shit.

p.s.
GZ is still an asshole
That attitude leads to a lot of innocent people being charged that never should have along with the potential for wrongful convictions, like a lynch mob. For example, GZ never should have been charged in the first place, and the prosecutor is under fire for ever moving ahead with that. Risking the freedom of an innocent man to placate mobs should not be tolerated. This guy has a witness/victim contradicting him, thus, reasonable suspicion for the charges.

Sour grapes are no excuse for that attitude.
 
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Shooting off guns in an area where people live and work needs to be investigated and charged. I know you want to live in the John Wayne era, I do not.
However I only visit Florida

GZ is still an asshole
 

CZroe

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Shooting off guns in an area where people live and work needs to be investigated and charged. I know you want to live in the John Wayne era, I do not.
However I only visit Florida

GZ is still an asshole

Investigate and charged if evidence supports a charge.

This isn't hard to understand. I believe evidence supports a charge in this case. Evidence did not support a charge in GZ's prior fiasco, which is why the prosecutor is in trouble.

Your thinking is backwards. Firearms are legal as is defending yourself with one. Accept it. If you use one legally in a place where people live and work, as you would in self defense, it isn't the fact that you used one that warrants charges. If charges are warranted, it's because someone did something illegal to prompt you to legally assert your right OR there was evidence that you were not within your legal right. You can't just charge someone and then go looking for something that makes it illegal.
 
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DrPizza

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lol, I was just about to say that.

The fear of black people here is quite revealing. I'd bet dollars to donuts nearly all GZ proponents here believe in all of the following:

1. Black culture is cancerous.
2. Black people commit crimes so we should be preemptively wary of them on the street.
3. TM was a punk because, uh, he was being a pretty typical teenager, smoking weed, getting in fights and exaggerating about it on social media.



Huh? How do you conclude aggravated assault when nobody actually knows the circumstances of the assault? GZ had a gun, not hard to imagine how he may have prompted TM's actions.
I fully believe Zimmerman was completely innocent of any charges in the Martin shooting. I certainly don't believe 1. I certainly don't believe 2. And, as a teacher, I know a shit ton of "pretty typical teenagers." Yep, I know a lot who smoke weed, but I do not know a single one who stages fights or brags about how bloody they made someone else. That is punk behavior, not typical teen behavior.
Investigate and charged if evidence supports a charge.
I'm pretty sure the police are familiar with Zimmerman's past, and alleged misdeeds. As Apperson wasn't charged initially, it looks like they really did take the time to look at the evidence. As I pointed out early on in the thread, his window was down in the 90 degree high humidity, while Zimmerman's was rolled up. That immediately made me think, "hmmmm." I'm amazed he's not being charged with attempted murder. I would think that by now, the police would have located at least some witnesses to what happened - how the cars were driving, etc. And, given that they've filed charges, it would appear that in an anti-Zimmerman environment, the evidence points to Zimmerman being innocent in this case as well.
 

CZroe

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...I'm pretty sure the police are familiar with Zimmerman's past, and alleged misdeeds. As Apperson wasn't charged initially, it looks like they really did take the time to look at the evidence. As I pointed out early on in the thread, his window was down in the 90 degree high humidity, while Zimmerman's was rolled up. That immediately made me think, "hmmmm." I'm amazed he's not being charged with attempted murder. I would think that by now, the police would have located at least some witnesses to what happened - how the cars were driving, etc. And, given that they've filed charges, it would appear that in an anti-Zimmerman environment, the evidence points to Zimmerman being innocent in this case as well.

Yes, I agree that these charges are appropriate, but the attitude that someone needs to be charged any time a gun goes off where people live is the backwards thinking that leads to lynch mobs hurting innocent people.

The "someone always needs to be charged" attitude is what I was addressing. What if no suspect was found or the only person/suspect they can find is an innocent person who just happened to be in the area?
 
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Investigate and charged if evidence supports a charge.

This isn't hard to understand. I believe evidence supports a charge in this case. Evidence did not support a charge in GZ's prior fiasco, which is why the prosecutor is in trouble.

Your thinking is backwards. Firearms are legal as is defending yourself with one. Accept it. If you use one legally in a place where people live and work, as you would in self defense, it isn't the fact that you used one that warrants charges. If charges are warranted, it's because someone did something illegal to prompt you to legally assert your right OR there was evidence that you were not within your legal right. You can't just charge someone and then go looking for something that makes it illegal.

Well one guy said GZ was stalking him with a gun and GZ says he was sitting his car and shot at. Somebody did something wrong.
 

CZroe

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Well one guy said GZ was stalking him with a gun and GZ says he was sitting his car and shot at. Somebody did something wrong.
Right, but when you find a headless body in an alley you also know someone did something wrong but you can't just charge the closest bystander who didn't have an alibi. Innocent until proven guilty means that will be a lot of crimes with no charges but that is necessary to preserve a basic American freedom (a tyrannical government can oppress/subjugate its people if they could just make up charges willy-nilly).

We have enough to justify charges in this case. We didn't in Zimmerman's previous big case.
 
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Jaskalas

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He fired his gun into another person's vehicle where their head should have been. That's absolutely attempted murder. The question is, why?

For Zimmerman, people demanded that he prove his innocence. That he was on the ground, pinned down, being beaten. People expected those to be proven, that his reason for self defense was justifiable and provable.

The whole system had foregone "reasonable doubt" and turned it to "prove your innocence". Does this shooter not have to prove his?
 

CZroe

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He fired his gun into another person's vehicle where their head should have been. That's absolutely attempted murder [killing]. The question is, why?

For Zimmerman, people demanded that he prove his innocence. That he was on the ground, pinned down, being beaten. People expected those to be proven, that his reason for self defense was justifiable and provable.

The whole system had foregone "reasonable doubt" and turned it to "prove your innocence". Does this shooter not have to prove his?
FTFY. It's PROBABLY attempted murder, but he claims self defense which is NOT murder, and his claim hasn't been immediately disproven by other evidence. There very well may be a witness or footage that supports his claim. We will see.
 

Londo_Jowo

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According to the police report Apperson has a fixation on GZ, towards the bottom of the second page.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/265486447/Apperson-Arrest-Report

During the investigation, I learned that Apperson has exhibited unusual behaviors, It appears that Apperson has a fixation on Zimmerman
If you highlight the text redacted texts appears, stating the following:

During the investigation, I learned that Apperson has exhibited unusual behaviors in which he had recently been admitted to a mental institution. It appears that Apperson has a fixation on Zimmerman and has displayed some signs of paranoia, anxiety, and bipolar disorder.
Based on Florida's 10-20-Life law it appears that Apperson will be facing a mandatory sentence of 20 years for the use of a firearm while committing a felony.
 

cubby1223

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According to the police report Apperson has a fixation on GZ, towards the bottom of the second page.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/265486447/Apperson-Arrest-Report

If you highlight the text redacted texts appears, stating the following:

Based on Florida's 10-20-Life law it appears that Apperson will be facing a mandatory sentence of 20 years for the use of a firearm while committing a felony.

Well that's the most useless method of redacting text...

These turns of events, sadly, mean nothing to the legions in this thread. Prove to us the racist cops didn't falsify that report to keep covering their asses, the truth is the cops still view Zimmerman as a hero for what he originally did And according to one elite member of this forum, the mere fact that some people such as guy knows who Zimmerman is and pays attention to him, provides Zimmerman with a high quality of life.
 
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cubby1223

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his problem is he was a bad shoot.

And you think you're the better person with the desires you have and willing to openly share?

Why do you think it is we can't have nice things around here?

Congratulations, you are Spidey just on the other side of the divide.
 
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Ichinisan

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Well that's the most useless method of redacting text...

These turns of events, sadly, mean nothing to the legions in this thread. Prove to us the racist cops didn't falsify that report to keep covering their asses, the truth is the cops still view Zimmerman as a hero for what he originally did And according to one elite member of this forum, the mere fact that some people such as guy knows who Zimmerman is and pays attention to him, provides Zimmerman with a high quality of life.

Derp. I didn't read that as a hypothetical.
 
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waggy

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Mental patient with a fixation on someone... still owns a gun.
*cough

yeah.

also he was committed once and seems let out without being helped. The US has a shitty way of dealing with people with mental issues.
 

Brian Stirling

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The GZ haters appeared to relish the chance of putting GZ away and I can only imagine the heartbreak they must now feel that that opportunity is gone.

GZ may be a dirt bag, and he does appear to have issues that get him into trouble, but his biggest problem appears to be that he's some kind of magnetic vortex that attracts bad/sick people.

Of course, having the media paint a target on your back probably doesn't help keeping the wackos away. I can't imagine there's many places he could go to avoid being singled out for this kind of attempt.


Brian
 

cubby1223

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The GZ haters appeared to relish the chance of putting GZ away and I can only imagine the heartbreak they must now feel that that opportunity is gone.

No heartbreak. They've already forgotten about this story, they've moved on, and will repeat in full if a new incident hits the news.
 

Linux23

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And you think you're the better person with the desires you have and willing to openly share?

Why do you think it is we can't have nice things around here?

Congratulations, you are Spidey just on the other side of the divide.

dude, take a breath, it was just a joke.

/slowly backs away from this touchy subject.
 

cubby1223

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dude, take a breath, it was just a joke.

/slowly backs away from this touchy subject.

Well, I guess the statement has two possible meanings, and I read it as saying you were disappointed in the guy's poor aim. Not that the other possibility is much better. We are discussing attempted murder, after all. And I'm fairly certain there is a sufficient enough percentage of the population who will celebrate his murder. At least that's the vibe they put off.

I know people who threw celebration parties when Reagan died.
 
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Brian Stirling

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Well, I guess the statement has two possible meanings, and I read it as saying you were disappointed in the guy's poor aim. Not that the other possibility is much better. We are discussing attempted murder, after all. And I'm fairly certain there is a sufficient enough percentage of the population who will celebrate his murder. At least that's the vibe they put off.

I know people who threw celebration parties when Reagan died.

Can't say I've ever heard of people throwing parties to celebrate Reagan's death but I suppose it could have happened somewhere.

In 1974, my brother and I traveled across the country in his van and we happened to arrive in SF on the day that Nixon resigned. We went down to the Fishermans Wharf area and not long after sunset a crap ton of people began to congregate in one of the parks to celebrate Nixon's resignation -- can't say I had a problem with that!


Brian
 
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