Mr Kaarma, a 29-year-old firefighter, has told investigators his home had twice been hit by burglars, and he told a hair stylist he had waited up at night to shoot intruders, prosecutors said.
On the night of the shooting, Mr Kaarma and his partner Janelle Pflager left their garage door open, and Ms Pflager left her purse in the garage in order to bait intruders, she told police.
They set up motion sensors and a video monitor, prosecutors said.
When the sensors went off just after midnight and they saw a man on the monitor screen, Mr Kaarma went outside and fired a shotgun into the garage without warning several times.
It is unclear what the teenager was doing inside in the garage.
45-3-103. Use of force in defense of occupied structure. (1) A person is justified in the use of force or threat to use force against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that the use of force is necessary to prevent or terminate the other person’s unlawful entry into or attack upon an occupied structure. (2) A person justified in the use of force pursuant to subsection (1) is justified in the use of force likely to cause death or serious bodily harm only if: (a) the entry is made or attempted and the person reasonably believes that the force is necessary to prevent an assault upon the person or another then in the occupied structure; or (b) the person reasonably believes that the force is necessary to prevent the commission of a forcible felony in the occupied structure.
I'm kind of torn on these... how can you "bait" someone into doing something they shouldn't be doing? It is still their choice to "take the bait". They're self aware unlike animals.
Either way, I agree it isn't right to do. In the end it is still premeditated murder which is ultimately what makes it wrong / illegal.
I'm kind of torn on these... how can you "bait" someone into doing something they shouldn't be doing? It is still their choice to "take the bait". They're self aware unlike animals.
Either way, I agree it isn't right to do. In the end it is still premeditated murder which is ultimately what makes it wrong / illegal.
That is my problem as well. You can't bait a person into burglary.
Its basically the her skirt was too short so she baited me into "raping" her argument.
Killing someone who is illegally in your dwelling isn't murder. So it can't be premeditated murder.
Killing someone who is illegally in your dwelling isn't murder. So it can't be premeditated murder.
It is unless you have a justification for the killing, such as self-defense. Killing someone for entering your property only to steal a purse would not be legally justified under Montana law unless you had a reasonable fear that the trespasser intended to commit assault or a forcible felony. On these facts, I don't see how there could have been such a reasonable fear. Frankly I think Kaarma seems like a complete sociopath and it is probably best for society if he spends a few decades in the clink thinking about what he's done.
http://www.flsenate.gov/laws/statutes/2011/776.08Forcible felony.—“Forcible felony” means treason; murder; manslaughter; sexual battery; carjacking; home-invasion robbery; robbery; burglary; arson; kidnapping; aggravated assault; aggravated battery; aggravated stalking; aircraft piracy; unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb; and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual.
http://www.flsenate.gov/laws/statutes/2011/776.08
Assuming Montana to have a similar definition. Seems like stealing said purse would be a forcible felony.
“Forcible felony” means any felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual.
http://www.flsenate.gov/laws/statutes/2011/776.08
Assuming Montana to have a similar definition. Seems like stealing said purse would be a forcible felony.
The thing that bothers me about this story is the way he blindly fires into the garage multiple times. What if he blasted one of his neighbor's young kids away? This was really an unjustified shooting and the guy deserves to go to prison.
Ugh, you see a garage door open and go check if everything is ok and get blasted with a shotgun. WTF is wrong with people?! When I was a kid we used to sneak into peoples' backyards to steal apples. I guess in some sick fuckers mind it would have been okay to shoot us. I can't understand.
I would like to know all the details of what really happened but it just seems so wrong to shoot someone just because he is trespassing on your property.
Meh...me and one of my cousins got peppered with rock salt when we were kids (I was 9)...we got caught raiding one of his neighbors' watermelon patch on a warm summer evening.
Getting shot was painful as hell...but having it picked out and then soaking the rest out in a hot bath was even worse...
Personally, in this case and the Minnesota case, I think the homeowners were justified in their shootings. Thieves should be killed. Whether it's by those from whom they're stealing...or by the courts following a trial...If you catch a thief...you should be able to shoot the fucking fuck.
Armed robbery, burglary, forcible rape, child molestation...those are just a few of the crimes that should carry an automatic death sentence.
You are advocating for millions of yearly executions. That's horrifying.
You kill enough thieves...hopefully, the rest go straight.
You kill enough thieves...hopefully, the rest go straight.
There's no evidence such a thing happens.
You're calling for something approaching Holocaust levels of mass death within your own country. That's monstrous.
Didn't you just admit to thieving your neighbors watermelon crop? I'd imagine he wasn't growing watermelon for hobby so you were stealing his livelihood.
Meh...me and one of my cousins got peppered with rock salt when we were kids (I was 9)...we got caught raiding one of his neighbors' watermelon patch on a warm summer evening.
Getting shot was painful as hell...but having it picked out and then soaking the rest out in a hot bath was even worse...
Personally, in this case and the Minnesota case, I think the homeowners were justified in their shootings. Thieves should be killed. Whether it's by those from whom they're stealing...or by the courts following a trial...If you catch a thief...you should be able to shoot the fucking fuck.
Armed robbery, burglary, forcible rape, child molestation...those are just a few of the crimes that should carry an automatic death sentence.