German Internet Censorship

TruePaige

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http://netzpolitik.org/2009/the-dawning-of-internet-censorship-in-germany/

Germany is on the verge of censoring its Internet: The government ? a grand coalition between the German social democrats and conservative party ? seems united in its decision: On Thursday the parliament is to vote on the erection of an internet censorship architecture.

The Minister for Family Affairs Ursula von der Leyen kicked off and lead the discussions within the German Federal Government to block Internet sites in order to fight child pornography. The general idea is to build a censorship architecture enabling the government to block content containing child pornography. The Federal Office of Criminal Investigation (BKA) is to administer the lists of sites to be blocked and the internet providers obliged to erect the secret censorship architecture for the government.

A strong and still growing network opposing these ideas quickly formed within the German internet community. The protest has not been limited to hackers and digital activist but rather a mainstreamed effort widely supported by bloggers and twitter-users. The HashTag used by the protesters is #zensursula ? a German mesh up of the Ministers name and the word censorship equivalent to #censursula.

As part of the public?s protest an official e-Petition directed at the German parliament was launched. Within three days 50,000 persons signed the petition - ? the number required for the petition titled ?No indexing and blocking of Internet sites? to be heard by the parliament. The running time of an e-Petition in Germany is 6 weeks ? within this time over 130,000 people signed making this e-Petition the most signed and most successful ever.

During the past weeks, protests became more and more creative ? countless blogs and twitter-users followed and commented the discussions within governments and opposing arguments. Many mainstream media picked up on this and reported about the protest taking place on-line. A working group on censorship was founded and the protest coordinated with a wiki, mailing lists, chats and of course employing twitter and blogs. One website ?Zeichnemit.de? created a landing page explaining the complicated petitioning system and making signing the petition easier and more accessible for non net-experts.

Over 500 people attended the governments official press conference on the planed internet censorship ? a number of whom used this occasion to demonstrate and voice their concerns. In fact, demonstrators began attending some of the Minister von der Leyens public appearances, carrying banners and signs to raise attention to the stifling of information freedom in Germany.

The net community did not only oppose the governments plans, but also made constructive suggestions how to deal with the problem of child pornography without introducing a censorship architecture and circumcising constitutional freedoms. The working group on censorship demonstrated the alternatives for instance by actually removing over 60 websites containing child pornographic content in 12 hours, simply by emailing the international providers who then removed this content from the net. The sites were identified through the black lists of other countries documented on Wikileaks. This demonstration underlines the protesters main arguments: instead of effectively investing time and efforts to have illegal content removed from the internet, the German government is choosing censorship and blocking ? an easy and dangerous way out. The greatest fear of the protesters is that once in place, the infrastructure will be used to censor other forms of unwanted content, not only child pornography. German politicians already seem to be lining up with their wish-list of content to be censored in future ? the suggestions ranging form gambling sites, islamist web pages, first person shooters, and the music industry cheering up with the thought of finally banning pirate bay and p2p.

So basically they say they are doing it to stop child pornography, but it gives the government the ability to add servers to blacklists and make them inaccessible to anyone using a major German ISP.

The law has JUST passed very recently, but I cannot find a non-German article on it that is up to date.

The Minister for Family Affairs is already asking it the law can be extended to block access to violent video games which she calls "Killer Games" such as Counter Strike.

Even though at final numbers ~150,000 people signed a petition, Parliament did not even take the time to consider it sadly, passing this law by a wide margin, a vote of 389 to 128.
 

StageLeft

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It's for the kids. This helps kids. Your concen must mean you hate them, how can you not support anything "for the kids"? Here, take this booklet and read it over. There will be a brief follow-up we'll conduct with you later in the month.
 

TruePaige

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Originally posted by: sandorski
I see nothing wrong by Blocking Child Porn sites.

It is a government controlled blacklist that the Minister of Family Affairs has made her first initial act since to attempt to block violent games via the blacklist.

It is against the law to host child porn, so you can just have their domains pulled via ICANN or servers blocked at the ISP level.

Child Porn is bad, sneaking in blacklists under the guise that they are just for child porn is also bad.

Two wrongs don't make a right.
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: sandorski
I see nothing wrong by Blocking Child Porn sites.

Apparently Canadians trust their government that much. Sad.
 

TruePaige

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Originally posted by: OCguy
Think of the children! They are freaking children for christ sake!

I know! I just..I lost my pamphlet, and now I cannot find all the arguments to blindly support the government doing anything as long as that label is applied!
 
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Germans:

First a ban on the Nazi Party, then childporn.

What next? Prolly gonna use the ark of the covenant for some mischief.



 

frostedflakes

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Originally posted by: sandorski
I see nothing wrong by Blocking Child Porn sites.
The Minister for Family Affairs is already asking it the law can be extended to block access to violent video games which she calls "Killer Games" such as Counter Strike.
I hate to bring up the slippery slope, but in this case it's not really a fallacy. Look at all the countries that have implemented or talked about implementing internet block lists. It always starts out with child pornography, but inevitably they end up wanting to block more.

edit: Another link mentioned German politicians may try to target "hate" sites as well.

Also, the recent events in Iran should have been an eye-opener for everybody. Having the ability to filter content can be a very powerful tool for governments to stifle political movements.
 

Double Trouble

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The "stopping child porn" excuse is always a popular one because nobody's gonna stand up and say "wait a minute, I support child porn!".... This is how censorship and ultimately tyranny triumph.
 

MovingTarget

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Great, another 'for the children' to put a censorship program into place that the public would not otherwise agree to. And yes, we will continue to fall for this crap time and again. Seriously, fvck the children.
 

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Originally posted by: TruePaige
Originally posted by: OCguy
Think of the children! They are freaking children for christ sake!

I know! I just..I lost my pamphlet, and now I cannot find all the arguments to blindly support the government doing anything as long as that label is applied!
It's ok, friend, the brigade will be over shortly to tattoo its tenets into your chest in reverse so that you can read them when you stand in front of a mirror each morning.
The "stopping child porn" excuse is always a popular one because nobody's gonna stand up and say "wait a minute, I support child porn!".... This is how censorship and ultimately tyranny triumph.
Yep it's like the first damn class in how to control a population and make them follow you along. Demonize anything, something, force people to choose a side.

After seeing so many child porn lawsa person could be under the impression that damn near every kid in existence is sold into the sex trade. What are the real numbers on it? The punishment is already so damning for it, surely there can't be that many people actually indulging in Western nations.

 

Exterous

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Is it just me or do freedoms world wide seem to be slowly slipping away one by one?
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: Exterous
Is it just me or do freedoms world wide seem to be slowly slipping away one by one?

Yes. I was thinking the same thing. As a planet we are moving AWAY from freedom and IN TO slavery.
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: Exterous
Is it just me or do freedoms world wide seem to be slowly slipping away one by one?
There is a real trend of governments using technology to increase their knowledge and power over the populous. This is absolutely no surprise, unfortunately, because tech is so good for that.

 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Exterous
Is it just me or do freedoms world wide seem to be slowly slipping away one by one?
There is a real trend of governments using technology to increase their knowledge and power over the populous. This is absolutely no surprise, unfortunately, because tech is so good for that.

But, on the other side of the coin, tech is allowing people to BYPASS those controls easier than ever.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Great, another 'for the children' to put a censorship program into place that the public would not otherwise agree to. And yes, we will continue to fall for this crap time and again. Seriously, fvck the children.

That's the Status Quo they are trying to avoid!
 

MegaWorks

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Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: sandorski
I see nothing wrong by Blocking Child Porn sites.

Apparently Canadians trust their government that much. Sad.

Yeah OCguy we have a lot retards right here in Canada who believe that government officials are angels of god and that they don't have any personal interests, they're all doing it for the self preservation of the people!
 
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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Exterous
Is it just me or do freedoms world wide seem to be slowly slipping away one by one?

Yes. I was thinking the same thing. As a planet we are moving AWAY from freedom and IN TO slavery.

It's obviously a ploy by the White Man.
 

TruePaige

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Exterous
Is it just me or do freedoms world wide seem to be slowly slipping away one by one?

Yes. I was thinking the same thing. As a planet we are moving AWAY from freedom and IN TO slavery.

It's obviously a ploy by the White Man.

Damn it, I'm oppressing myself now?!

I hate white people.

edit: Excuse the above, that was my white guilt kicking in.
 
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