Get a GTX 980 now or wait for AIB 1060/RX 480's?

[poofyhairguy]

Seems like the 980 will age way better than the 970 will. When looking at AMD 480 reviews it was obvious the 980 competes well on everything but Directx 12, while the 970 was falling behind in some Directx 11 games that are very console optimized.

I am not saying buy the 980, but it seems a much better card longterm than a 970. A 390x seems like an even better deal, it beats the 480 and the 980 on every Directx 12 game out there so far.

 

[boozzer]

Seems like the 980 will age way better than the 970 will. When looking at AMD 480 reviews it was obvious the 980 competes well on everything but Directx 12, while the 970 was falling behind in some Directx 11 games that are very console optimized.

I am not saying buy the 980, but it seems a much better card longterm than a 970. A 390x seems like an even better deal, it beats the 480 and the 980 on every Directx 12 game out there so far.

from benchmarks, 480 = 980. so even if the prices are the same, which they are not, 980 is still more expensive by 50- 70$, 480 is a current gen card that was just release days ago, while 980 is already on legacy(means you got jack) support by nv.

that is why 1060 or 480 are the only upgrade choices for op.

 

[buklau]

I'm glad I sold my 980 for $318 one month ago, now waiting for a $379 1070 for a month already.

I personally would go for a R9 480 if you can find one in stock instead of waiting for a $249 1060.

 

[Silverforce11]

I'm gonna say the same thing I've said in response to these posts.

Don't pay good money for zero future proofing.

Obsolete architecture, poor DX12/Vulkan performance, less VRAM.

Wait for AIB RX 480 or 1060 if you want a GPU within that price range.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

forget the 980, get the 1060GTX..

 

[sirmo]

I'm gonna say the same thing I've said in response to these posts.

Don't pay good money for zero future proofing.

Obsolete architecture, poor DX12/Vulkan performance, less VRAM.

Wait for AIB RX 480 or 1060 if you want a GPU within that price range.

You're like a different person dude.. Kudos to you for being pragmatic and open minded. Rare sight on interweb forums.

 

[vissarix]

The stock gtx980 is about 10% faster then a rx480, once it gets overclocked 1500mhz+ it will be 30%+ faster....the rx480 is a dog of a gpu and not worth it...even an custom gtx970 once oc it trashes the rx480 badly.

Amd once again shows it cant compete with nvidia, they can only lower prices...thats all they got.

 

[Silverforce11]

The stock gtx980 is about 10% faster then a rx480, once it gets overclocked 1500mhz+ it will be 30%+ faster....the rx480 is a dog of a gpu and not worth it...even an custom gtx970 once oc it trashes the rx480 badly.

Amd once again shows it cant compete with nvidia, they can only lower prices...thats all they got.

By the end of this year, with more major AAA DX12 titles on the way, a 980 is going to need to OC to the max just to keep up with a stock RX 480.

Unless you still play Crysis 3 and the like, advising people to throw away good money for obsolete tech is just bad form.

 

[Grooveriding]

When you are buying a new card, never buy anything from nvidia that is not part of their current generation. Support for everything but their newest cards is very poor and you can expect performance of their prior generation to rapidly fall off a cliff compared to their current stuff.

 

[PhonakV30]

This is why you should not buy any Maxwell cards.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4rtoh7/rise_of_the_tomb_raider_adds_async_compute/

 

[Yakk]

This is why you should not buy any Maxwell cards.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4rtoh7/rise_of_the_tomb_raider_adds_async_compute/

Hahaha... ouch!

Did nvidia just really let them finally issue the patch for DX12 mgpu and a "version" of Async Compute that screws over their entire user base except for the new 10xx series cards?!

Nice one nvidia! Time to upgrade and pay your dues nvidia users!

Wow...

 

[vissarix]

This is why you should not buy any Maxwell cards.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4rtoh7/rise_of_the_tomb_raider_adds_async_compute/

Woow incredible...3% improvement with async on...im impressed...to bad the rx480 needs more like a 30% improvement to be worth it...

 

[Flapdrol1337]

Hahaha... ouch!

Did nvidia just really let them finally issue the patch for DX12 mgpu and a "version" of Async Compute that screws over their entire user base except for the new 10xx series cards?!

Nice one nvidia! Time to upgrade and pay your dues nvidia users!

Wow...

screws over? it doesn't do anything for the rest of the user base since it's not turned on.

 

[96Firebird]

Woow incredible...3% improvement with async on...im impressed...to bad the rx480 needs more like a 30% improvement to be worth it...

Yup, seems like Async is worthless in this game. OP for that Reddit thread got a maximum of 5% improvement with their Nano. I think we now know why the developers decided to not initially include it in the PC version; its pointless.

Let's see if review sites test a broader range of cards.

 

[McGraw]

oh , It's American slang? in English slang ,It's like "Negative".

As a 39 year old Englishman, I can confirm that sick in this context is indeed the same as awesome.

You could potentially use the term sick to say your GPU is dying but that would be confusing.

If a living thing is sick, it can be either unwell or awesome, depending on context although there is usually some context added.

e.g.

My mum is sick...my mum is unwell.
My mum is sick at knitting...my mum is awesome at knitting.

 

[PhonakV30]

As a 39 year old Englishman, I can confirm that sick in this context is indeed the same as awesome.

You could potentially use the term sick to say your GPU is dying but that would be confusing.

If a living thing is sick, it can be either unwell or awesome, depending on context although there is usually some context added.

e.g.

My mum is sick...my mum is unwell.
My mum is sick at knitting...my mum is awesome at knitting.

Thanks mate :thumbsup:

Yup, seems like Async is worthless in this game. OP for that Reddit thread got a maximum of 5% improvement with their Nano. I think we now know why the developers decided to not initially include it in the PC version; its pointless.

Let's see if review sites test a broader range of cards.

Mind that Async compute doesn't mean "Get more FPS"!

If they're are at peak they can do:
1) move some effects to Async to get more FPS.
2) Add more effects to Async while keeping same FPS.

looks like Developers don't know How to optimize game engine by using async compute.

Adds utilization of DirectX 12 Asynchronous Compute, on AMD GCN 1.1 GPUs and NVIDIA Pascal-based GPUs, for improved GPU performance.

Why not GCN 1.0 ? they do have 2 ACE and can do any async compute's process and I wonder why they added Asynchronous Compute to Gameworks title ?

 

[96Firebird]

Mind that Async compute doesn't mean "Get more FPS"!

If they're are at peak they can do:
1) move some effects to Async to get more FPS.
2) Add more effects to Async while keeping same FPS.

Which they haven't done, so...

I've been reading reports of minimums being worse with Async compute on as well.

 

[Yakk]

Mind that Async compute doesn't mean "Get more FPS"!

If they're are at peak they can do:
1) move some effects to Async to get more FPS.
2) Add more effects to Async while keeping same FPS.

looks like Developers don't know How to optimize game engine by using async compute.



Why not GCN 1.0 ? they do have 2 ACE and can do any async compute's process and I wonder why they added Asynchronous Compute to Gameworks title ?

Don't forget ...

3) The use of Async can improve responsiveness, which is good for games, and *especially* useful in VR.

Console developers have gotten quite good at taking advantage of Async Compute resources because they actually have more tools available to them to use.

PC developement is lagging behind consoles badly in regards to Async use, but it catching up slowly.

As for a gameworks title using a "version" of Async... I'd wager it was ready from the console release, but nvidia delayed the PC port until they didn't look so bad and that couldn't happen with Maxwell.

 

[littleg]

AFAIK console developers have a lot more low level access than the PC APIs allow. DX12 I believe is an improvement in this regard and AMD seem to be opening up more stuff of their GPUopen site but they're still a way behind the console devs.

 

[Bacon1]

Which they haven't done, so...

I've been reading reports of minimums being worse with Async compute on as well.

Funny, because the ORIGINAL developers used Async compute to add a lot of IQ for very little performance hit:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-rise-of-the-tomb-raider-tech-analysis

http://gearnuke.com/rise-of-the-tom...breathtaking-volumetric-lighting-on-xbox-one/

Funny that the worst DX12 game out there doesn't gain much, maybe because it was a very poorly done port?

The whole point of DX12 over DX11 is performance bonuses from lower overhead and more direct GPU access. For any game to have lower FPS means it isn't optimized properly. The engine itself needs a lot of re-works to take advantage of DX12 apis.

Also the in game benchmark is very bad, the minimums aren't properly done because it takes into account the loading screen or something. Checking actual in game FPS with an overlay (Steam Overlay, DXtory, Afterburner (DX11 only)) will never show the low mins that the benchmark reports.

 

[96Firebird]

So you agree that is a poor example of a reason to choose Pascal over Maxwell?

 

[Bacon1]

So you agree that is a poor example of a reason to choose Pascal over Maxwell?

I'd agree that the DX12 in Rise of the Tomb Raider is a bad example of what DX12 is capable of.

I would not buy a 980, it was a bad buy ever since 980 Ti and 390x released. I see zero reason to buy one over a 4gb 480 (much cheaper) or a 8gb 480 / 6gb 1060 since those both have more ram for similar price.

 

[SPBHM]

the Rise of the Tomb Raider patch should give you some reasons to avoid buying a new Maxwell card, it's already getting less features supported in a game than Pascal,

just go with the 1060, more efficient, close enough in performance (nvidia promised 980 performance for the 1060, they also promised titan X performance for the 1070 and delivered) and more current tech (+ more ram wont hurt),

 

[Bacon1]

the Rise of the Tomb Raider patch should give you some reasons to avoid buying a new Maxwell card, it's already getting less features supported in a game than Pascal,

just go with the 1060, more efficient, close enough in performance (nvidia promised 980 performance for the 1060, they also promised titan X performance for the 1070 and delivered) and more current tech (+ more ram wont hurt),

Yep. Nvidia had been saying for months that Async compute support was coming for Maxwell

http://www.geforce.com/sites/defaul...nch-directx-12-advanced-api-support-640px.png

Fun FACT of the day: Async Compute is NOT enabled on the driver-side with public Game Ready Drivers. You need app-side + driver-side!

From back in Feb 2016!

https://twitter.com/PellyNV/status/702556025816125440

Yet they've still yet to release a driver for it and now it has been forgotten

 

[poofyhairguy]

As for a gameworks title using a "version" of Async... I'd wager it was ready from the console release, but nvidia delayed the PC port until they didn't look so bad and that couldn't happen with Maxwell.

Yah, the timing on that look horrible for sure.