Get around a firewall

[Chaoticknight16]

I don't know if this is the place to go with this question, but i'm hoping that if y'all can't help somebody could point me in the right direction....

my situation is. I work at a school and the just cracked down on the internet. used to be a proxy setting that i could turn off, now it's by ip? certain links are blocked. if i try to go to certain freeware sites, i'm redirected to a "this page is classified as blah"

Also AIM/any other 3rd party aim applications are blocked.

when i try and get to my home computer which i have setup using windows remote desktop web connection i get a "this page cannot be displayed" that is my set up off my home computer with the default website port 86


I would like to try and get around any or all of these. not because i want to view anything bad, but i have free time and would like to be able to grab files from home or talk to some people. also i'm hoping to learn as much as possible. I downloaded ethereal and tried looking at that, but honestly, I'm not that experienced and much of it looks like gobblygook to me. So If you can provide help or point me in the right direction I'd really appreciate it.

 

[nweaver]

look down the page...there is a thread about this. Point being, there are many IT pro's here, and none of us are going to help you bypass the stuff we put in place. Best move along to another site to get that info.

 

[her209]

Do you value your job?

 

[JackMDS]

No a problem see here, Text

:sun:

 

[Fardringle]

Originally posted by: JackMDS
No a problem see here, Text

:sun:

Hehe. I'm not sure if that would help him get around a fireWALL, but it might help put out the smoke from his boss's ears during the exit interview when he gets fired for violating company security policy...

 

[n0cmonkey]

Talk to the network admins, they're the only ones that can help you.

 

[Chaoticknight16]

The point that there are many IT pros is kind of why I came here. The firewall is mainly to stop kids from surfing the net at school. I work after hours with the IT and could have any site i needed unblocked with a bit of paperwork. This was mostly inspired by all the time I sit around waiting for an image to go through or a checkdisk to run. I do love my job, call it auditing, I'm just trying to learn.

What about a pic-axe and a fire extinguisher.....think that would work?

 

[superHARD]

Originally posted by: Chaoticknight16


What about a pic-axe and a fire extinguisher.....think that would work?

yes

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Chaoticknight16
The point that there are many IT pros is kind of why I came here. The firewall is mainly to stop kids from surfing the net at school. I work after hours with the IT and could have any site i needed unblocked with a bit of paperwork. This was mostly inspired by all the time I sit around waiting for an image to go through or a checkdisk to run. I do love my job, call it auditing, I'm just trying to learn.

What about a pic-axe and a fire extinguisher.....think that would work?

After working in a large office enviornment, the only difference between a kid and an adult, is the time between their birth and now. In other words their age, they both act the same. You can replace most people in office with a 12 year old and the level of maturity and thought process wouldnt change, only the look of the person behind the keyboard.

 

[ForumMaster]

only admins can help u. if you talk with your school's admin, he might be able to help u. we aren't going to help you ruin his work.

 

[Homerboy]

the funny thing is for all you know your admin is on these forums and reading you very post
point being is many of us are admins, and make our living by blocking your browsing. Why would we help in getting you around what we, or one of our peers established?

 

[blemoine]

After working in a large office enviornment, the only difference between a kid and an adult, is the time between their birth and now. In other words their age, they both act the same. You can replace most people in office with a 12 year old and the level of maturity and thought process wouldnt change, only the look of the person behind the keyboard.

i agree. they are always like "maybe you can just open it up for me because i am responsible and know how to use the computer." an then i say "everyone has the same rules because NO ONE can be trusted" the honor system went out with the VCR.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: blemoine

After working in a large office enviornment, the only difference between a kid and an adult, is the time between their birth and now. In other words their age, they both act the same. You can replace most people in office with a 12 year old and the level of maturity and thought process wouldnt change, only the look of the person behind the keyboard.

i agree. they are always like "maybe you can just open it up for me because i am responsible and know how to use the computer." an then i say "everyone has the same rules because NO ONE can be trusted" the honor system went out with the VCR.

That and the infighting over monitors, keyboards, and mice. People trading equipment like it is gradeschool lunch trading snackpacks. If anything is left out after a person leaves they are like cockroaches and devour the loose equipment so fast your head spins.

And the constant complaining they cant get their favorite streaming webcasts, IMs, or games installed.

Superior though process is non-existent like some idiots thinking they can feed this specialized plastic like paper through a laser printer and wonder why it melts and destroyed the printer. Or somebody wondering why their local printer doesnt work when it isnt plugged in.

I should have written these things down and wrote a book. 99% of my job ended up being hand holding, I felt like the teacher for a class of 1st graders.

 

[blemoine]

Genx87: We are nothing more than a Glorified Babbysitter. Replacing equipment is an ordeal because everyone is like "why does he/she get a new __________. Its not fair i never get anything. Blah blah blah poor me poor me." Then i am like "did you put that in your budget to get a new _________?" and of course they never do.

 

[sieistganzfett]

lol. wow Genx87, your very harsh, but i agree with you on all of that. :evil: Chaoticknight16, sounds like what was done was pretty much every port going outbound except ones such at http, are blocked. nothing you can do about that since even cheating by going to a proxy will be blocked. you can only talk to the one who did it and beg for a solution. but be aware he will say no to letting anyone use software to reach the outside world. if you can do it, kids can do it then and making an exception for you will cause more headaches later on for the IT department.

 

[Boscoh]

Originally posted by: Chaoticknight16
The point that there are many IT pros is kind of why I came here. The firewall is mainly to stop kids from surfing the net at school. I work after hours with the IT and could have any site i needed unblocked with a bit of paperwork. This was mostly inspired by all the time I sit around waiting for an image to go through or a checkdisk to run. I do love my job, call it auditing, I'm just trying to learn.

What about a pic-axe and a fire extinguisher.....think that would work?

If you just need to fill out a bit of paperwork, go do that. Once you get it done, go research how to get around proxies. Like someone else mentioned, theres a thread on this a little ways down the page.

While you may have completely noble intentions, others who read this forum may not. Also, any IT guy who's been in the business long enough was probably conned by a seemingly good-intentioned person when they were first starting out. I'm not saying you're acting like you have good intentions, but it's within the realm of possibilities. Regardless, to help you circumvent this would be unethical, and any professional who would do it is not serious about their ethical obligation to the trade.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: sieistganzfett
Chaoticknight16, sounds like what was done was pretty much every port going outbound except ones such at http, are blocked. nothing you can do about that since even cheating by going to a proxy will be blocked. you can only talk to the one who did it and beg for a solution.

If any type of outgoing is allowed, even if highly restricted on one port, then _all_ outgoing is possible - there's just no practical way to prevent it if you use tunelling, encyption, etc and hide your traffic.

but be aware he will say no to letting anyone use software to reach the outside world. if you can do it, kids can do it then and making an exception for you will cause more headaches later on for the IT department.

Or the admin could just give him a login with less restrictions. Then he would feel no urge to circumvent the security measures or use encryption, would probably be happier (more productive) in his job, and could still be monitored and logged like everyone else.

And another thing, I don't understand why all the admins jump in with "we're not gonna help you out", what's the point? If you don't want to answer a question don't post in the thread.

Originally posted by: Homerboy
Why would we help in getting you around what we, or one of our peers established?

Because, as a security professional, it is in your interest to keep discussions of security out in the open. Would you rather this guy learned the ins and outs of proxies from us, while gaining an appreciation for what network pros do I might add, or would you rather he went and asked on IRC where if he's lucky he might get some DoS programs too. Maybe some CC#s. Great...

Originally posted by: Chaoticknight16
i'm hoping to learn as much as possible.

Good. If you want to learn how to get past the system, do it, but don't abuse it - just tell the admin you suspect there is a way to get through. If you can explain your 'hack' to him so he can fix it, he'll very likely open everything up to you because he knows you 1) know what you're doing and don't need to be treated like a kid and 2) could probably bypass his new restrictions anyway.

 

[duryodhan]

This is a probledm I face too. The one little method I found that works in through Circumventor. Check out www.stupidcensorship.com. Most probably would work. If you do find anyother method PM me.

 

[JackMDS]

Originally posted by: duryodhan
This is a probledm I face too. The one little method I found that works in through Circumventor. Check out www.stupidcensorship.com. Most probably would work. If you do find anyother method PM me.

I just hope that Nobody one day would be in a Hospital and some one would decide that they know better than the treating physician and would change the medication, without telling any one, after they logged to "stupidmedication.com"

:sun:

 

[duryodhan]

Also sorry I forgot ;check if this works : http://www.your-freedom.net/ It didn't for me but maybe you will be lucky. It works well for quite a number of my friends.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: JackMDS

Originally posted by: duryodhan
This is a probledm I face too. The one little method I found that works in through Circumventor. Check out www.stupidcensorship.com. Most probably would work. If you do find anyother method PM me.

I just hope that Nobody one day would be in a Hospital and some one would decide that they know better than the treating physician and would change the medication, without telling any one, after they logged to "stupidmedication.com"

:sun:

So, essentially, you believe that medical care and censorship are both good things and are equally important to society? I think the Chinese government is hiring - they'd love to speak to you.

 

[w00t]

Instead of trying to get around his firewall ask the network admin if he can help you out he can't be that big of an asshole not to let you run aim...

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Atheus

So, essentially, you believe that medical care and censorship are both good things and are equally important to society? I think the Chinese government is hiring - they'd love to speak to you.

I think there is a difference between state mandated censorship and a company restricting what you do on their network with their equipment and their money. This isn't someone trying to get around censorship put in place by the government or by an unfair ISP (even then I'd say get another ISP), it's someone that it trying to access resources that are forbidden for whatever reason by the people that run that network.

 

[blemoine]

think there is a difference between state mandated censorship and a company restricting what you do on their network with their equipment and their money. This isn't someone trying to get around censorship put in place by the government or by an unfair ISP (even then I'd say get another ISP), it's someone that it trying to access resources that are forbidden for whatever reason by the people that run that network.

i totally agree. the "censorship" in the workplace is because people can't control themselves. Employess sign "acceptable use" policies and then turn around play online games, download porn, download/stream "funny" videos & play on the IM all day. these are the same people who get mad when there workstation dies and they can't do any work. so you have save them from themselves.