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crashtech

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I'm hoping Bernie gets the nomination, because I will feel compelled to vote for the anti-Hillary if he doesn't, and I'd rather vote for Gary Johnson. I have this sinking feeling the anti-Hillary is going to be Trump. I never in a million years thought I would ever vote for Trump.
 

soundforbjt

Lifer
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I've got friends who are Mexicans, who are voting for Trump. You are assuming what the democrats want you to assume, which is not true. Trump's supporters are actually some of the most diverse of all the candidates. I think a lot of you guys are gonna be wrong this time around, just like many of you were shocked when the republicans won the mid terms.

So you know some of the 24% that like him, doesn't make it a winning % though. Hell, even 60% of his own party want someone else.
 
Nov 25, 2013
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I've got friends who are Mexicans, who are voting for Trump. You are assuming what the democrats want you to assume, which is not true. Trump's supporters are actually some of the most diverse of all the candidates. I think a lot of you guys are gonna be wrong this time around, just like many of you were shocked when the republicans won the mid terms.

Is this some of that voter fraud that I keep hearing about?
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
Apr 8, 2013
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The OP thinks that Sanders has a better chance in the general election than Clinton. Full stop. No further reply necessary.
 

compuwiz1

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Oct 9, 1999
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So you know some of the 24% that like him, doesn't make it a winning % though. Hell, even 60% of his own party want someone else.

Do you understand the term minority? Some people put way to much emphasis on the minority vote. Yes, it takes all of us to function as a country, as well as all of us to elect people into office, but one minority group does not decide for all. We are the sum of all the parts. I know many immigrants who came here legally, who are just as pissed at the illegal situation as those who were born here. I have a diverse family, including Asians, Blacks and Hispanics. I listen to what they tell me.
 
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I have no idea at this point but I'm sure Repubs will figure it out. Just because Trumpsters are raving fools doesn't mean that the rest of them are.

What in the world gives you confidence about that? Anyway, go ahead, name a name. It's even multiple choice. If not Trump, who?
 

soundforbjt

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Do you understand the term minority? Some people put way to much emphasis on the minority vote. Yes, it takes all of us to function as a country, as well as all of us to elect people into office, but one minority group does not decide for all. We are the sum of all the parts. I know many immigrants who came here legally, who are just as pissed at the illegal situation as those who were born here. I have a diverse family, including Asians, Blacks and Hispanics. I listen to what they tell me.

If you think Trump will win, fine. But I'm betting he doesn't even get the nomination of his own party. You're betting enough white vote overrides the loss of black or Latino vote, I don't think that's thinking rationally.
 

compuwiz1

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If you think Trump will win, fine. But I'm betting he doesn't even get the nomination of his own party. You're betting enough white vote overrides the loss of black or Latino vote, I don't think that's thinking rationally.

Then we'll just disagree, that's all. I'm not betting on the white vote, I'm betting on the inclusive vote. Why does race have to be a part of everything? Can people just vote for what they believe in without race having to be a factor? It's not right to think that people are going to vote a certain way or believe in certain things, or not, just because of their ethnicity. That kind of thinking is divisive.
 

senseamp

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There is a good chance Trump will run as an independent if GOP doesn't nominate him.
He retweeted this:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/698565437844488192
@wino911: #Trump2016 We know better than to trust the RNC " So cute!


Also, RNC tried to fund-raise off Trump, and he called them out on it:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/698557567254056960
"Get on Trump's List" email from the RNC was not authorized. I am self funding my campaign! Do not pay.
Them's fighting words. I think he is sending a very loud message, my way or the highway.
 

crashtech

Lifer
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Then we'll just disagree, that's all. I'm not betting on the white vote, I'm betting on the inclusive vote. Why does race have to be a part of everything? Can people just vote for what they believe in without race having to be a factor? It's not right to think that people are going to vote a certain way or believe in certain things, or not, just because of their ethnicity. That kind of thinking is divisive.

Apparently, women are all expected to vote for the woman candidate, black Americans for the black (Democrat) candidate, and so on, and in many cases, this is borne out by the data. It's sad enough that we as voters would be that transparently shallow, but sadder still is the encouragement this retrograde behavior receives by those who made a career out of advocating for equality. What good is this supposed equality they worked for, when everyone gets sliced up into gender, ethnic, and race groupings when it becomes politically expedient. It's sickening.
 

Moonbeam

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I've got friends who are Mexicans, who are voting for Trump. You are assuming what the democrats want you to assume, which is not true. Trump's supporters are actually some of the most diverse of all the candidates. I think a lot of you guys are gonna be wrong this time around, just like many of you were shocked when the republicans won the mid terms.

Actually, you are talking about the liberal brain defect, the inability to credit the appeal to emotions people like Trump can stimulate. I think he has an excellent chance of winning, he projects what many many people feel. Somebody somewhere in the thread mentioned that people may be too smart to vote for him but too angry not to, and I also agree with that. We need a revolution of some kind to recover the people's stolen government. If the people can't have a say in who gets elected, tear the system down. We can do it smart, which is unlikely, or we can do it through walking backward into catastrophe.
 

Slew Foot

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No way the dem machine lets Bernie near the ticket. Id love to see a Hillary-Trump debate, thats good TV. I wouldnt mind a trump presidency simply for the lulz.
 

woolfe9998

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Keep thinking that, despite Hillary's high, persistent negatives.

I don't know if Hilary wins in the general, will depend on who she's up against. But she's got a better shot than Sanders. He's too far left for general audiences. This is nothing to do with personal preference. It's just observation from past experience of our elections.
 

waggy

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I like Sanders, BUT...

http://us.cnn.com/2016/02/16/politics/south-carolina-poll-cnn-orc/index.html

Those states which are traditionally voting DEM are DEM *also* and often because of a significant percentage of Blacks and Latinos where we know that most of them are democrats.

HOWEVER, as much as I support Bernie, fact is that it's those important demographics among the dems which are NOT necessarily voting Sanders. Blacks vote Clinton, for instance.

And..let's not forget, Shillary still has this "edge" among the one or the other woman who vote for her just because she is one.

Now, we have seen that even in THOSE states where Sanders wins by a landslide, he actually didn't because..you know, super-delegates.

Rest assured, Bernie will not win in any state by a land-slide, I am not that naive.

Given this, I think Bernie has zero chances, Clinton will be nominated.

And a Clinton nomination is the sure way to boost Trump's chances to be elected.

** Right now, I see a Trump presidency WAY more likely than a Bernie presidency. A Clinton presidency would depend on fortunate circumstances, like many Bernie supporters voting Clinton DESPITE that they don't like her and many Reps actually NOT voting for Trump. And a Bernie presidency is mathematically, statistically, demographically etc. very, very unlikely.

Exactly what i think will happen IF it continues the way it has.
 

alien42

Lifer
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Trump's supporters are actually some of the most diverse of all the candidates.

that's a load of horse shit and you know it, all anyone has to do is take a look at the crowds each candidate draws.

the republican events remain white washed.
 

Jhhnn

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Nov 11, 1999
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What in the world gives you confidence about that? Anyway, go ahead, name a name. It's even multiple choice. If not Trump, who?

I haven't even considered it at any depth. Any way I look at it, Repubs lose, bigger with Trump at the top of the ticket.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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I don't know if Hilary wins in the general, will depend on who she's up against. But she's got a better shot than Sanders. He's too far left for general audiences. This is nothing to do with personal preference. It's just observation from past experience of our elections.

That's why Repubs are trolling hard for Bernie.
 

PokerGuy

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Jul 2, 2005
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If America elects Trump, or any other Republican, it deserves everything that it will get.

... hence Trump's slogan, Make America Great Again!

Regardless of which of these candidates gets elected, we deserve the crap we get. Giant ego guy, hildebeast, commie Bernie, it's a mess no matter who wins.
 

mect

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I don't know if Hilary wins in the general, will depend on who she's up against. But she's got a better shot than Sanders. He's too far left for general audiences. This is nothing to do with personal preference. It's just observation from past experience of our elections.

I keep hearing people say this about Sanders but no one seems to be saying the equivalent about Trump. I'd say Sanders' positions are much more aligned with mainstream America than Trump's positions, but people don't seem to worry about whether or not Trump is electable. Also, I'd say the very fact that Trump is leading and Sanders is closing on Hillary demonstrates this likely isn't going to be a normal election. Maybe Americans are bluffing, maybe at the last moment Bush will get the republican nomination and we can have the Bush vs Clinton election everyone thought we'd have. But as of right now, my impression is that being a traditional candidate is not an advantage.
 

crashtech

Lifer
Jan 4, 2013
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... hence Trump's slogan, Make America Great Again!

Regardless of which of these candidates gets elected, we deserve the crap we get. Giant ego guy, hildebeast, commie Bernie, it's a mess no matter who wins.

Seems about right.
 
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