Getting a 780 ti and 4k monitor

[Attic]

Will want another 780ti when you can.

Though 3gb at 3840x2160 res is going to a problem IMO.

Four 4k I think 3x290 is how to get out of the starting gate at that res.

Lower res at steady FPS >>> Stutter and low fps at higher res


Saw some 4k 60"+ screens this weekend running native 4k content. Looked pretty good. But then I saw Noah at 1080P bluray on my 1080p plasma 54" and it was stunning. Not sure if this is down to textures or not, or impossible, but I think there is still lot of room for graphics to improve at 1080p envelope before we get on to 4k.

 

[Eric1987]

http://i.imgur.com/n1CvwFU.png

I ended up going with this list. Yes I notice I got the wrong display port cable and I ordered the correct one after noticing.

 

[jackstar7]

Please report back on your experience. Looks like the makings of a very nice setup.

 

[Eric1987]

Oh I will. It should be here today or tomorrow. Going from a samsung SA550 to a 4k samsung monitor. A 580 to a 290x.

 

[mkmitch]

Curious to know your experience with the HIS card. Me and two computers shops and several part replacements couldn't keep the card from blackscreening. Even a replacement card from NewEgg failed.

 

[96Firebird]

Not to disappoint you, but if you didn't need the 250GB SSD, NCIX now has the 590D for $495 this week...

 

[Eric1987]

Only issue I have is my 4k monitor has a flicker once every half hour or so. Other than that it is rock solid. I can run 90% of my games at max settings with little to no lag. It'll do for now until I get another 290x.

 

[wand3r3r]

Which monitor are you coming from? How do you like the monitor? I guess the flicker is from the monitor itself.

 

[wand3r3r]

High PPI is fine with proper DPI scaling.

First of all it's your choice and you should do whatever you wanna do. But that's the crux of the problem right there, DPI scaling on high PPI displays.

Win7/8 is not like mobile devices with iOS / android / OSX which can properly scale high PPI images/text, it's a mixed bag in Windows 8.1. Windows won't scale it ideally, by the time Windows 8.1 does the DPI scaling the vast majority of apps will have blurry images, and by that point the point of high PPI is what? Nothing. So you either get text so small that you squint, or you get DPI scaling that is garbage that makes the text blurry. BTW, anandtech had a writeup a few months back on the Windows DPI situation.

In the end though, it's up to you. IMO, wasted money. Your call and your money though, so whatever floats your boat. I'm stubborn too. I have to figure these things out on firsthand experience. Heck, even 1440p on a 27 is kinda squinty / borderline legibility in terms of text at times.

Have you tried 4k and seen these issues?

 

[Eric1987]

I dont have any scaling issues btw. And I came from a samsung syncmaster SA550 to the 590D. Huge improvement in every way. I hope I never game in 1080p again its terrible compared to 4k. I hit lvl 90 in wow last night in 4k! The flickering was just a driver issue I fixed.

 

[toyota]

I dont have any scaling issues btw. And I came from a samsung syncmaster SA550 to the 590D. Huge improvement in every way. I hope I never game in 1080p again its terrible compared to 4k. I hit lvl 90 in wow last night in 4k! The flickering was just a driver issue I fixed.

you have the same scaling issues anyone else would have unless you have some magical prototype version of widows. and you have fooled yourself into think 4k is great for games when in reality you would never see the difference unless you starred hard at the screen on stuff like powerlines or fences. I run 3200x1800 on a 23 inch screen and only see a miniscule difference over 1080 and have to look hard to see that.

 

[Eric1987]

You are NUTS. 4K is a BIG TIME difference. Blind mofo. Night and day.

 

[toyota]

You are NUTS. 4K is a BIG TIME difference. Blind mofo. Night and day.

lol whatever you need to tell yourself.

 

[Eric1987]

Everyone in my house can notice a big difference. 1080p looks blurry now.

 

[toyota]

Everyone in my house can notice a big difference. 1080p looks blurry now.

lol well its good that you checked with the others in the house. and of course 1080 looks blurry on your 28 inch screen since that is 1/4 of the native res.

 

[Eric1987]

It looks blurry on my second monitor which used to be my main until I got my 4k...

 

[aigomorla]

sorry to bust your bubble, but there is no 4K monitor outside a couple which uses Dual DVI-D ports , or display port to render image that big.

And those monitors are well into the price tag of 2000 dollars.

No video card is able to display in HDMI 2.0 yet...

So as Toyota is stating, you can tell yourself whatever you want to make you feel better, because most of us who know your screen isn't doing anything higher then 30hz max (which to most of us is bad), off a single HDMI / DVI cable.

Even the newever 4K 60hz Display Port monitors are having problems rendering..
Most of them require Beta Drivers to get working somewhat, and then you still have problems.

The only non problem 4K monitor ive seen is this guy:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-338-_-Product

and it uses dual DVI-D ports.

 

[96Firebird]

I'm pretty sure he knows he has a resolution of 3840 x 2160, as that is the 16:9 resolution for 4K.

The Samsung 590D can render 3840 x 2160 @ 60hz via display port...

 

[toyota]

yeah this monitor does 60hz on display port.

my point was that 4k does magically make a game look much better. again I can run 3200x1800 at 23 inches and have to look hard for the visual improvements even if throwing SSAA on top of that. its all in your head if you think its some massive graphical leap just because of a tiny increase in crispness and slightly reduced jaggies. and the fact the he claims he does not have scaling issues with his 4k monitor just shows that his comments are basically worthless.

 

[aigomorla]

I'm pretty sure he knows he has a resolution of 3840 x 2160, as that is the 16:9 resolution for 4K.

The Samsung 590D can render 3840 x 2160 @ 60hz via display port...

are you sure catalyst drivers can handle that tho?
(I honestly don't know)

I heard Nvidia's can only do that on beta drivers, and even then, you have a lot of tearing.. as well as other issues.

I did a lot of research and learned to avoid 4K HDTV's, and I went with 1440p instead.

 

[96Firebird]

are you sure catalyst drivers can handle that tho?
(I honestly don't know)

I heard Nvidia's can only do that on beta drivers, and even then, you have a lot of tearing.. as well as other issues.

I did a lot of research and learned to avoid 4K HDTV's, and I went with 1440p instead.

A lot has changed with respect to 4K monitors in just the last few months, there are now "affordable" monitors that can run 4K @ 60Hz via display port. Both AMD and Nvidia can run that just fine, although I'm sure there are little bugs that need to be worked out. People who have used the monitors for everyday use can chime in on that.

The Nvidia trick that you're thinking of is for HDMI, where they use chroma subsampling (4:2:0) to achieve 3840 x 2160 @ 60Hz over HDMI. With DP 1.2. the bandwidth is available for 4:4:4.

 

[aigomorla]

A lot has changed with respect to 4K monitors in just the last few months, there are now "affordable" monitors that can run 4K @ 60Hz via display port. Both AMD and Nvidia can run that just fine, although I'm sure there are little bugs that need to be worked out. People who have used the monitors for everyday use can chime in on that.

The Nvidia trick that you're thinking of is for HDMI, where they use chroma subsampling (4:2:0) to achieve 3840 x 2160 @ 60Hz over HDMI. With DP 1.2. the bandwidth is available for 4:4:4.

ty for that info..

 

[Eric1987]

yeah this monitor does 60hz on display port.

my point was that 4k does magically make a game look much better. again I can run 3200x1800 at 23 inches and have to look hard for the visual improvements even if throwing SSAA on top of that. its all in your head if you think its some massive graphical leap just because of a tiny increase in crispness and slightly reduced jaggies. and the fact the he claims he does not have scaling issues with his 4k monitor just shows that his comments are basically worthless.

Agree to disagree but at 28 inches I notice a big difference.

 

[Termie]

Agree to disagree but at 28 inches I notice a big difference.

I'll side with you here - 4K is absolutely a step up from 1080p. The question is whether you would have been better off with a 27' 1440p monitor that has better performance in games and better resolution for desktop use.

The argument that 4K doesn't look better than 1080p simply won't hold water. 1440p at 27" is far beyond 1080p at 27", and of course 4K is a step above that.

 

[Skurge]

I have some scalling issues in some apps where it is a bit blurry, but that is in stuff i never use like MSI Afterburner. Firefox looks great, chrome looks great, office looks great, webpages look great. I cannot go back to 1080p.

Also, people saying you can't notice the difference between 1080p and 4K? You guys cannot be serious.