Gigabit over Cat5?

superkdogg

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I'm having a debate with my friend. One of us feels that running Cat5e cable for a gigabit network is just fine and would have minimal if any penalty versus Cat6 cable. The other is opposed and feels that Cat6 is the only way to go.

The backbone of this network is run on fiber to various gigabit switches, and the only cable in question is from the switch to the workstations (no more than a 40-50 ft. run of cable).

Is Cat6 cable absolutely needed, or would Cat5e do just as well?
 

Zugzwang152

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Originally posted by: superkdogg
I'm having a debate with my friend. One of us feels that running Cat5e cable for a gigabit network is just fine and would have minimal if any penalty versus Cat6 cable. The other is opposed and feels that Cat6 is the only way to go.

The backbone of this network is run on fiber to various gigabit switches, and the only cable in question is from the switch to the workstations (no more than a 40-50 ft. run of cable).

Is Cat6 cable absolutely needed, or would Cat5e do just as well?

cat. 5e will do, but the wires have gotta be crimped very well. assuming perfect crimps, i'm not certain if there's any performance hit at all between the two.
 

Chugworth

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I ran a speed test at work and didn't see any difference in CAT5 and CAT5e on gigabit. What matters the most is that all wire pairs are connected.
 

kylef

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Originally posted by: Chugworth
I ran a speed test at work and didn't see any difference in CAT5 and CAT5e on gigabit. What matters the most is that all wire pairs are connected.

LOL. Yes, that would matter!

Edit: Actually, I shouldn't laugh at this because my workplace has lots of cables floating around that only have the two twisted pairs specifically required for 802.3u 100-Base-T. I suppose forward compatibility with 802.3z or even compatibility with 100-Base-T4 wasn't really a consideration...
 

spidey07

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yes, you "can" run gig over cat5e. It is preferred to have cat6 however as the cable was specifically designed and spec'd for gig over copper (250 Mhz on each pair) and added parameters to pass specifically for gig.

Given that the cost is minimal (15% maybe) there is no sane person that would run cat5e on a new install, especially for the most important part of any network.

-edit- either way, if the cable link and channel are not scanned and certified you'll never know what you have.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: kylef
Originally posted by: Chugworth
I ran a speed test at work and didn't see any difference in CAT5 and CAT5e on gigabit. What matters the most is that all wire pairs are connected.

LOL. Yes, that would matter!

Edit: Actually, I shouldn't laugh at this because my workplace has lots of cables floating around that only have the two twisted pairs specifically required for 802.3u 100-Base-T. I suppose forward compatibility with 802.3z or even compatibility with 100-Base-T4 wasn't really a consideration...

edit, those cables no longer pass cat5 (or even cat3) spec.

There is a reason for category rated cable - it is guaranteed to run perfectly with applications what call for the category rating.
 

superkdogg

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Thanks for the input, fellas. The "friend" of mine is our IT director and he was the one who insisted on driving 2.5 hours round trip (I live in BFE) to get Cat6 equipment instead of hooking up 1(!) workstation with Cat5e that we had on hand. I told him that the C5 would do fine and that at worst the switch would drop down to 100Mb, or it may slow down a bit versus C5 v. C6, but he said insisted that you need C6 to run gigabit.

Guess he should have listened to the lowly social worker.
 

halfadder

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For short runs (like your bedroom or dorm room) plain cheap Cat5 works fine for GigE as long as your crimps are clean.
 

ScottMac

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.. and the corect pair order, bend radius, and the other rules are adhered to ....

Buy the cables complete. Save yourself the grief, especially for commercial applications.


FWIW

Scott
 

VirtualLarry

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What exactly is the difference between the three? Is the gauge of wire or the shielding different somehow? Or is it just the bandwidth of the wires? (250/300/350MHz or something, right?)

What I don't fully understand (not being an EE), is if the lower-grade cable is "enough" to properly run GigE over it, then why is the higher grade necessary or so strongly recommended? Different levels of attenuation over long distances? Different impedance? Something like that? I was under the impression that for short patch cables it really didn't matter much at all. (Well, avoiding Cat3 would be a good idea, sometimes that's flaky for 100Mbit even over short runs too.)
 

ScottMac

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The differences between each will vary by manufacturer. IN some cases, it's the number of twists AND the pair-pair twist within the sheath AND (in some cases) the guage of some of the conductors AND AND AND (so forth).

There is no one physical characteristic that puts the cable into a specific Category specification, it's generally a number of things.

The specs for each Category that provide increasing frequency tolerance are things like Near End Crosstalk (NeXT), Far End Crosstalk (FeXT), Attenuation, and the Attenuation-to-Crosstalk Ratio (ACR). There are other specs, like Power Sum, impedence +/-, etc ... but the above are "the biggies."

As long as the manufacturer can consistantly hit the numbers, their cable continues to be rated.

At Anixter, each new shipment of cable is randomly sampled and tested tested to see if it meets their "Levels" rating (the origin of the "Category" rating system). If the sample fails the "Levels" spec (which is tighter than "Category" spec) then the whole batch goes back to the manufacturer. Other distributers may do the same thing, but nothing that I've ever heard of.

The first few generations of GigE devices worked OK on Cat5, because the equipment manufacturers knew that that was most likely what would be available for installation. As Cat5e was ratified and became more available, that became the target spec.

Cat6 isn't "needed" for anything in data networking at this time, but the additional overhead provided makes up for some of the usual slop and unavoidable sub-optimal conditions in most / many environments.

Remember, structured cabling isn't just a data thing, the cable plant is good for much more than just Ethernet (i.e., video, broadband, serial, audio, generic low-voltage signaling (alarms, for example), even telephone (!!)).

FWIW

Scott


 
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