Gigabyte P35 DS3L not holding overclock overnight

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Billbo

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Originally posted by: RegalkSorry guys what can I say - works for me (as long as you know what your HW is capable of)
Yeah but that doesn't explain how for some people the system overclocks without a problem for a while, and then goes to sht. Like with me. I certainly wasn't pushing my ram or anything else outside its boundaries.

The fact the majority of people say their comps are rock solid in Windows pretty much shows the components aren't overdriven. It's all to do with the board not liking what should be acceptable settings or something. Like with RapidJunior. He can't even underclock!
 

Billbo

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Regalk, I think you are correct now. In some respects anyway.

Like I said previously my system has been running fine for almost 2 weeks now. But I had memory settings set to auto. Today I put them on manual but never changed anything else. The machine would not hold the OC and reset. After looking at your guide and setting everything like you said there, it's holding the overclock fine. Memory settings do seem to have an effect on this problem. If people who are having trouble with their DS3L could post what settings they're using, maybe Regalk could be kind enough to put them straight.
 

RapiDJunioR

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Originally posted by: RapiDJunioR
hi dudes

im new in this board

i have got same problems with yours.

i can't overclocking with my system.

e4500 m0 rev
p35 ds3l rev 2
kingston ddr2 800mhz
fsp bluestorm II 500W


what i changed in MIT and start computer. while booting cmputer didnt complate the memory testing. after restart and computer started with default settings. i tryed clear cmos, put out battery, put out all cables(power, ide , sata) and waited 8 hour. but anything changed.
i tryed that with f5 and f7 bios.

anybody help me about that problem.

anybody help me about this problem?

 

Billbo

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Originally posted by: RapiDJunioR
rams are in 400mhz spd2 4 4 4 12, auto 800mhz 5 5 5 15.
Do you mean you are setting the timings to 4-4-4-12? That may be the problem. Try relaxing them. Or try leaving memory settings on Auto.

The problem with mine is this: pretty much every guide says to set memory timings as per memory spec, and leave the sub-timings on auto unless you know what you're doing. Well in my case, leaving them on auto causes instability. At the moment I have set all the subtimings to the values shown next to them (think they're read from the SPD) and everything works fine so far. But whenever I put them back to auto the board has trouble posting at pretty much any FSB I try. Regalk's guide gives a bit of info on those settings. Maybe give it a browse.

 

Billbo

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BTW guys, I just found these settings as recommended by Greg from Mushkin for their 4-4-4-12 rams on the DS3L. However I think it may be a good place to start for other ram as well.

Hold CTRL+F1 at main bios screen to get access to memory timing options

CPU Clock Ratio - Auto
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) - 266 (for 1066FSB CPU) 333 for (1333FSB CPU)
System Memory Multiplier - 3.0 for a 266(1066FSB cpu) 2.4 for 333(1333FSB cpu)
Memory Frequency(Mhz) - 800Mhz
High Speed DRAM DLL Settings - Option 2
Performance Enhance - Standard (Changing this option can greatly increase performance, testing will be needed to find best mix of stability and speed)
DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD) - Manual
CAS Latency TIme - 4
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay - 4
DRAM RAS# Precharge - 4
Precharge delay (tRAS) - 12
ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD) - 4 (3 often works too)
Rank Write to READ Delay - 11 (9 to 10 can also work, but test after changing)
Write To Precharge Delay - 14 (10 to 11 can also work, test after changing)
Refresh to ACT Delay - 42 (25 to 35 can also work, test after changing)
Read to Precharge Delay - 6 (3 to 5 can also work " " ")
tRD - 8 to 8 to 10 (Sometimes even lower is possible, will help with performanace)
tRD Phase Adjustment - Auto
 

Thejbrez

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Solved the problem today guys. Want to guess what it was? Legacy USB device. I had an external hard drive plugged in that for whatever reason was screwing up the bios. Upon unplugging the external drive, I had no problems overclocking.
 

Billbo

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Apparently that used to cause problems but I thought it had been fixed in the newer bios's. I have my external plugged in all the time, as well as usb sticks sometimes and it hasn't caused any issues since the boot issues went away. I think some usb devices are worse than others though.

BTW, I've still had no more problems. Even left the comp on S3 standby overnight a few times and it resumes fine the next day. Very happy with how it's been running the past couple of weeks.
 

Cheps

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Hi guys,

Nice topic, I have a problem similar to yours. My MB is a GA-P31-DS3L. I could overclock it to FSB 400MHz (from 333MHz), my E6750 running at 3.2GHz, and I can stress test it for over 9 hours. But sometimes it won't hold the OC. If it holds I can easily go over 400MHz, but if it doesn't I can't even OC to 340MHz, it's all or nothing. Looks like some BIOS test failing and NOT instability. I've read this topic carefuly and tryed a few things - changing BIOS, clearing CMOS, raising voltages, putting everything to auto, then to manual, changing every setting in that damn BIOS. I'm still out of luck. Anyone have another suggestion maybe?
 

artix

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Feb 2, 2008
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Happy to see that I'm not the only one that have problems with o/c that damn motherboard. It's driving me crazy when it restores default settings in bios. It can run overclocked the whole day and at the next boot it is unstable? Ridiculous. I changed bios to F8a, doesn't work either. Just great... :/
 

antmanbee

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I have 2 of these boards. a rev1 and a rev2 and both will not hold the overclock.
I have also tried several of the fixes in this thread with no luck. I have not updated the bios yet but it appears this does not help. Really, what to do.
I have an i650 board that boots faster and holds the overclock.
I got the Gigabytes thinking I could get a higher overclock, which I can but it just will not hold the settings, even when set to a much lower OC.
 

mingsoup

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LOL

Solved the problem today guys. Want to guess what it was? Legacy USB device. I had an external hard drive plugged in that for whatever reason was screwing up the bios. Upon unplugging the external drive, I had no problems overclocking.



Same here. If I don't have my usb hard drive on when I boot....OC @ 3.2Ghz works every time. If I keep it usb hd on, all oc settings reset. Very odd, but I'm glad its working now.
 

Regalk

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I thought this problem went away - see the thread is still alive. I am really surprised - I am going to connect my USB drives (in fact 2 of them) boot and see what happens - my system has been runnig rock solid for a while now with the E4500 overclocked to 3352 (419 FSB X 8) with F7 bios.
Never had a bios reset issue - very strange why so many here have this issue
 

max1ma

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after 3 restarts your bios woll go to safe default setting and remain there. Instead of restating on 3rd reboot, shutdown via windows and unplug your comp for a min. plug power cord back in and oc will stick. or instead of counting, whenever bios resets itself just shutdown the computer and unplug it for a min. then plug power back in and start oc settings should be there again
 

ScurvyPig

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Originally posted by: mingsoup
LOL

Solved the problem today guys. Want to guess what it was? Legacy USB device. I had an external hard drive plugged in that for whatever reason was screwing up the bios. Upon unplugging the external drive, I had no problems overclocking.



Same here. If I don't have my usb hard drive on when I boot....OC @ 3.2Ghz works every time. If I keep it usb hd on, all oc settings reset. Very odd, but I'm glad its working now.


I'm running a new GA-EX38-DS4 and I had the same problem...I could not raise the FSB speed. Not even 1Mhz. I could lower it without issue. After 9 hours of pulling my hair our yesterday, I stumbled acrross a post at Tom's Hardware explaining the USB hard drive issue. Sure enough, I unplugged my external USB HD drive before booting and everything works great now. All FSB settings are saved and no double boot. My USB HD is a WD My Book. I have not tried with a different model yet, but there is no problem with USB flash drives. The WD My Book automatically turns on and off when the PC does...I wonder if this could cause the issue?
 

nullpointerus

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Hmm... low-level RAM timings... I'll give that a shot soon.

Here's some interesting data points for you.

While troubleshooting S3 power-saving issues, I gave up on getting S3 to work w/ > 266 FSB and simply decided to isolate the factor that was causing the resume/boot issues.

To begin with, I do get the double-boot reset to stock FSB sometimes.

C2D E4400 L2 stepping rated for 1.325v
GA-P35-DS3R rev. 1.0 F11 BIOS
HP DDR2-667 RAM rated for 5-5-5-15 @ 1.8v

Here's a quick overview of what happened on my rig:

200 * 10 = 2000 mhz @ 1.325v (all stock, no issues)
266 * 10 = 2660 mhz @ 1.350v (my 24/7 o/c, no issues)
300 * 10 = 3000 mhz @ 1.500v (S3 fails 100% of time, o/c occasionally resets on cold boot)

(Note: do NOT set your vcore to 1.5v unless you know what you are doing!!)

Now, as I said, I wanted to figure out why that 300 * 10 @ 1.500v fails S3, so I tried a variety of odd settings to figure out whether it was the FSB clock rate, CPU clock rate, the CPU voltage, or some wierd BIOS issue (like that Legacy USB disable trick, which doesn't appear to make any difference on my rig).

Here are my notes:

2.66 GHz --> works fine
3.00 GHz --> suspends but won't resume
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+--> resume failure: tries once, hanges on 2nd attempt; hold power switch off for 4 seconds, which leads to multiple failed cold boots (no user intervention); o/c gets disabled
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+--> disabled C1E/EIST --> S3 fails
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+--> increased voltage to 1.525v --> same problem
+--> decreased voltage to 1.475v --> (not tried)
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+--> tried 300 * 6 @ 1.350v --> works fine
+--> tried 300 * 6 @ 1.500v --> S3 fails! (surprising!!)
+--> tried 200 * 6 @ 1.500v --> POST fails, had to unplug and reset CMOS (even stranger!!)
+--> tried 333 * 6 @ 1.350v --> S3 fails! (also odd...)!
The double-POST issue is the BIOS's failsafe mode kicking in because the board has failed to boot and POST (probably with a preprogrammed timeout). The second boot disables the o/c so that you don't have to open the case and reset the CMOS manually.

Whenever your o/c settings are stable enough to start POST but not stable enough to get past the drive detection, Gigabyte's failsafe will get "stuck" and not allow any o/c settings to stick -- not even with Idontcare's double-save method -- until the CMOS jumper is used for ~2 seconds with the PSU unplugged from the wall. I hit this with once as detailed above. I've also hit this with 2.9 GHz @ 1.325v, and with certain memory settings.

The CMOS jumper location also sucks. I must remove my 8800GTS to short the jumper. Surely, Gigabyte could have put this at a more convenient location!

Anyway, the fascinating part is that the voltage and FSB appear to contribute to the problem. The board boots consistently (but not 100% of the time) with 300 * 10 @ 1.5v, but 200 * 6 @ 1.5v fails to boot every time. Yet 300 * 6 @ 1.350v works fine, even with S3 mode. Either there is such a thing as too much voltage, or my system board has some power regulation problems.

I'll see if manually setting the memory timings fixes the S3 failure w/ 333 * 6 @ 1.350v. I also remember getting general stability problems with 333 * 8 @ 1.350v whereas 266 * 10 @ 1.350v works fine 100% of the time. That's two problems at 333 FSB, occurring regardless of voltage or CPU multiplier. So it could be memory instability.
 
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Originally posted by: ScurvyPig

The WD My Book automatically turns on and off when the PC does...I wonder if this could cause the issue?

Yes, it is the external HDD that causes it.
I had the exact same problem.
You just disconnect your WD My Book, disable "detect legacy usb device" in the BIOS and after that you can just reconnect your external HDD.
No more problems overclocking.
 

ScurvyPig

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Originally posted by: PinkPanther1970
Originally posted by: ScurvyPig

The WD My Book automatically turns on and off when the PC does...I wonder if this could cause the issue?

Yes, it is the external HDD that causes it.
I had the exact same problem.
You just disconnect your WD My Book, disable "detect legacy usb device" in the BIOS and after that you can just reconnect your external HDD.
No more problems overclocking.

Thanks for the tip!

Everything works fine now. It was a real pain to remember to disconnect it before each reboot.
 

MeSh1

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I have the same problem. here's how my issue goes. I set all my OC settings and reboot, POST shows stock upon boot, i go back into the bios to investigate, but my OC settings are still there. So even though the OC settings are saved in the BIOS when thy system goes through POST it shows stock. I do not have any external devices connected.... I only have basics kb/mouse (usb), dvi, network, power. I have not tried disabling legacy usb detection, but i will when i get back. Whats funny is that when i first setup the system all my settings were fine, but after using it for a day or two and shutting down i came back one day and all i heard were the fans spinning, no monitor output so then i pulled the cmos battery let it sit and all was well after that untilll i rebooted again. Sounds like there is no solution anyone have any thoughts?

Question: Would it make any difference if i RMA'd the mobo? has anyone tried going through RMA as a solution?


specs:
DS3L REV2 w/ latest bios (f8e?)
E2180
2GB GeiL
x1950 pro
 

abe88

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Hi,

I have a similar problem with my GA-MA790XDS4 790x mobo. I have been googling and have found many people are having similar problems with Gigabyte boards regardless of which chipset they use.

Every time I cold boot (regardless of whether the AC power has been off) the board will take about 10 seconds to post and then it will restore default clock settings. Once I have entered the bios and saved my OC settings it boots/reboots normally and runs games, stress tests etc with no problem.

I have tried Reflashing bios (including the bootblock) and taking the battery out for 30mins, neither seemed to help.

Gigabyte suggested I might have a bad bios chip but I don't think so because none of the regular bios settings are affected. They also told me to remove the battery for 30min. For me just changing the ddr speed from auto (800) to 400 causes a reset on cold boot so I don't think it is caused by a too higher clock or too low a voltage.

Personally I don't find it a big deal having to enter my settings every cold boot, but I do think Gigabyte need to pull there finger out, recognise this problem and sort it out across there range of boards.
 

Xaijin

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Having the same problem here. Already RMA'd my first board and the second one has the same issue. I'll check out the settings tonight, but if it isnt resolved, then they just lost a sale on a x58 board and all future purchases.
 

CDC Mail Guy

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Hate to bump such an old thread, but as OP...I feel I have the "right"

At any rate, it turns out that I must have had a bad CPU (It ran fine at stock, but not able to OC). I have since replaced the 6750 with an 8400, and I have been steadily running at 3.6GHz for well over 2 months now with no problems at all, and might try to get a little more out of it.
 

Krauser15

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Really sorry to necro this old thread, but I've got the same problem and can't find the solution to it.

I've been able to hold an overclock 100% fine on the GA-P35-DS4 for over a year and a few months. Just recently, it refuses to hold an overclock, the settings do not reset and I can POST and enter Windows fine - it's just that POST is displaying my clock at 9 x 333, when it should be 423. Can't seem to get it back to normal.
 

RussianSensation

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Originally posted by: Krauser15
Really sorry to necro this old thread, but I've got the same problem and can't find the solution to it.

I've been able to hold an overclock 100% fine on the GA-P35-DS4 for over a year and a few months. Just recently, it refuses to hold an overclock, the settings do not reset and I can POST and enter Windows fine - it's just that POST is displaying my clock at 9 x 333, when it should be 423. Can't seem to get it back to normal.

Save your overclocking profile under F11 (IIRC). Then if your overclock drops, just load F12 bios from saved profile. Have you tried that?

Are you guys sure your overclocks are stable? The gigabyte tend to reset to defaults if the board feels the overclock will not be stable.
 
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