Gigabyte P35 Motherboard Thread

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imported_bungee91

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Alright well ClubIT prices haven't changed any as of yet (not that I expected them to, but I had called)

It seems that you can pretty much find all of these except the DS4, which sucks cause that's the one I want!... Unless when introduced is very close to the DQ6, then I may reconsider.

Anyhow just thought I would update with my experience so far.
 

imported_bungee91

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Kougar

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What makes a DS4 a DS4 exactly? Since it is the upgrade to a DS3P, what is it missing that the DQ6 has?
 

DasFox

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What is the difference between the GA-P35-DS3 and DS3R?

I read the specifications on their website, and it shows no differences at all in specs, so I'm at a loss to understand why the two boards?

Anyone know what the differences are since the website specifications list none.

THANKS
 

imported_bungee91

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Originally posted by: DasFox
What is the difference between the GA-P35-DS3 and DS3R?

I read the specifications on their website, and it shows no differences at all in specs, so I'm at a loss to understand why the two boards?

Anyone know what the differences are since the website specifications list none.

THANKS



The R stands for Raid function in the chipset.. So all I see different from briefly looking at it is the DS3R has the ICH9R and the DS3 has the ICH9 southbridge.
 

imported_bungee91

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Originally posted by: Kougar
What makes a DS4 a DS4 exactly? Since it is the upgrade to a DS3P, what is it missing that the DQ6 has?

I have the link at home that refers to a german site with the break down of it listed...
I will see if I can find it later on this evening..

I ended up ordering the DQ6 because I couldn't find the DS4 ANYWHERE!
It wasn't too bad $260 shipped, which I wouldn't think is more than $20 or 30 difference from the DS4.
 

imported_bungee91

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Originally posted by: Kougar
What makes a DS4 a DS4 exactly? Since it is the upgrade to a DS3P, what is it missing that the DQ6 has?

Alright here's the link... Some German words don't seem to translate all too well..
If you speak German, well then I will send the original link..
I tried with babelfish also and got the same results

http://google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2...t%3D821&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8

Overall though, the differences seem to be very minimal at best.

It seems that most people opt to remove the crazy cool backplate that only comes on the DQ6 when installing an aftermarket cooler anyway.. Which IMHO doesn't sound like a lot of fun to do!
Oh well new rig comes Friday!
 

rally9x

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I could have sworn that Gigabytes site said that the p35 boards supported the pentium d 805, but I just got my MB yesterday and I was having no post so I looked up the CPU support list and now all 533fsb chips are saying no support. Does anyone know if their is a hard mod for the 805 that changes the fsb or if their is another way around this? I think I'm screwed.
 

DasFox

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Originally posted by: rally9x
I could have sworn that Gigabytes site said that the p35 boards supported the pentium d 805, but I just got my MB yesterday and I was having no post so I looked up the CPU support list and now all 533fsb chips are saying no support. Does anyone know if their is a hard mod for the 805 that changes the fsb or if their is another way around this? I think I'm screwed.

The P35 supports Pentium D, but those that are 800mhz fsb, so I don't know how you are going to get an 805 working.

You should of looked closer at the Specs on Gigabytes website for the P35 boards, they all list this info:

Processor
1. Supports Intel® Core?2 Extreme Quad-Core / Core?2 Duo / Intel® Pentium®
Extreme/ Intel® Pentium® D processors
2. Supports1333/1066/800 MHz FSB

I thought all the D chips support 800 FSB, but it seems if I'm not mistaken, that is only the 820, 830, 840

http://www.intel.com/products/processor/pentium_d/prodbrief800.pdf
 

Kougar

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Originally posted by: bungee91
Originally posted by: Kougar
What makes a DS4 a DS4 exactly? Since it is the upgrade to a DS3P, what is it missing that the DQ6 has?

Alright here's the link... Some German words don't seem to translate all too well..
If you speak German, well then I will send the original link..
I tried with babelfish also and got the same results

http://google.com/translate?u=...=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8

Overall though, the differences seem to be very minimal at best.

It seems that most people opt to remove the crazy cool backplate that only comes on the DQ6 when installing an aftermarket cooler anyway.. Which IMHO doesn't sound like a lot of fun to do!
Oh well new rig comes Friday!

Thanks Bungie! I suspected the # of phases and the accessories... might miss some of those esata options. The extended warranty was interesting... the backplate was a good idea, but just requires longer screws for most backplate coolers from what I've read. Thank you kindly for that link!

Rally I'm afraid DasFox is right, Pentium Ds are supported but the Pentium D 805 is the only model that runs at an FSB of 533. Short of finding a possible pin-mod I don't think you can do anything with that chip.


Incase anyone else noticed Anandtech's P35T DQ6 wasn't on my list Gigabyte now has a total of 9 different P35 boards, three of them are DDR3 capable models. I updated my original post to reflect this. They also have 3 G33 boards listed as well.
 

Kougar

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Well, since ya asked for it! I bought a GA-P35-DQ6 to replace my trusty Rev 1 DS3. Used hyperlinks since the images are huge.

Firstly, the P35 chipset is the equal of Nvidia's when it comes to RAM overclocking... my DS3 couldn't do anything with RAM over 1100MHz without generating errors in Memtest, which was norm for the 965P chipsets. The same Micron D9 Crucial Ballistix PC2-8500 RAM will now OC to 1220MHz @ 2.4v fully Memtest+ 1.7v stable. Or, I can run it at 4-4-4-12 timings at 1068Mhz at 2.35v, which my DS3 could not do either. These are not maximums, simply settings I've attempted to date so more can be eked out of them. I was not willing to go over 2.4vcc either.

The electricals on the Rev 1 DS3 simply couldn't take the stress/load above a 3.4GHz OC well. This P35-DQ6 is not even getting more than warm with a 100% overclock going, and voltages on everything from the CPU to the RAM are rock solid and strong. I was expecting to need extra fans, but the "heatpipe towers" on the DQ6 is hardly getting above room temp, and only slightly warm in several places. I have no plans to switch it out for the aftermarket chipset coolers I have... even the fins on the VREG modules are staying only slightly warm and not hot as I expected.

E6300
GA-P35-DQ6
2GB Crucial Ballistix DDR2-1067MHz
PC Power & Cooling 750watt Quad Silencer
Foxconn 8800GTS 320mb
Swiftech Apogee GT + MCP655 & Koolance EHX-1050BK

501FSB x 7 = 3.5GHz @ 1.43v
24 hour Orthos Blend stable

http://i111.photobucket.com/al...hanur64/DQ6/24run2.jpg

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534FSB x 7 = 3.73GHz 100% overclock @ 1.56v
DDR2-1068Mhz 4-4-4-12
Stable for 9 hours and counting... my last run was stable for exactly 8 hours and 57 minutes before I got a rounding error, so another minor voltage increase to 1.56v seems to have taken care of that.

http://i111.photobucket.com/al.../373overclocktake2.jpg

Love the board, vdroop is a constant 0.015 just about. Completely unlike the DS3 I can change the voltages and see them change linearly, whether it is RAM or the CPU voltages. Some critiques though... I can tolerate the lack of a 1T vs 2T setting, but no TRC setting either? Oof. ASUS gets a win there easy.

A bigger issue is that this Crucial Ballistix RAM was NOT STABLE at stock settings... I can start Coretemp and crash the system at the hardware level at will, even though it was more than stable enough to install Windows XP. To remove that instability I had to use the "Option 2" setting even at stock, even if manually setting the RAM voltages first. The Gigabyte DS3 I owned was exactly the same. Only using "Option 2" will Coretemp NOT BSOD the system on the spot and Memtest will then not detect RAM errors. Just a simple fix for anyone that knows about it, but a big issue for those that don't and think their system is stable. Keep in mind that I ran Orthos for 17+ hours without issue at stock on my DS3, but starting Coretemp could still BSOD the system half the time until I changed to Option 2. It seems absurd, but Memtest seems to confirm that it is not just an issue with Coretemp itself. This whole problem only seems to affect Micron D9 modules operating above 1,000Ghz... I want to say 1,030Mhz and higher is where Micron D9 RAM must be set to Option 2, but that's just a rough estimate. I only have this one D9 kit to test with, all my other RAM is Corsair ProMOS and doesn't have any issues as it runs out of clocks at ~1ghz even.

Edit: I'll add that I am still using the shipping F4 BIOS. I expect things to only improve as they gradually release updated BIOS's... As Anandtech said, this shipping BIOS is a far, far far, cry from the F1 BIOS of old on the DS3, and even much better than the F4 BIOS. This is a mature board. My biggest regret... is that it is not a GA-X38-DQ6.

There does seem to be a FSB wall over 540FSB, I attempted to OC to 3.8GHz but it was requiring drastic voltages and still was just barely stable enough to load windows. Dropping the multiplier to 6 and kicking the FSB up met with identical results. My old DS3 could actually hit a higher FSB of ~550 on a 6 multiplier... so there is still lots of fine tuning that can be made with this BIOS.
 

Kougar

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Update:

Completed a 25 hour Orthos blend run at a 100% overclock: http://i111.photobucket.com/al...Chanur64/DQ6/take3.jpg

Also Anandtech's review of this motherboard indicated that changing the memory performance from "Turbo" to "Extreme" resulted in extreme unreliability... I have to refute this. Whatever BIOS they were using, this is no longer the case with the F4 shipping BIOS, my system is still working peachy with it enabled.
 

xsilver

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is the GA-P35C-DS3R is good choice over the asus p5k (regular)???

gigabyte has the extra 2 ddr3 slots but asus has the heatpipe cooling and probably a better reputation for reliability and OC
they are around the same price where I am and Im looking to upgrade soon.
probably will match it with a e4400 cpu
 

mrfatboy

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Ya really!!!! I have been waiting for the reviews. I expected everybody would be jumping on these new boards and looked forward to reading about them. I have been eyeing the p35c-ds3r. I think it's a great value with the future proofing for the penryn chips and ddr3 support only for $30 more then the ds3r. However, I just waiting to hear that it has a major problem somewhere in it It seems to good to be true.

Other then a couple of people, zip, nada, bubkis!
 

DasFox

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Originally posted by: xsilver
is the GA-P35C-DS3R is good choice over the asus p5k (regular)???

gigabyte has the extra 2 ddr3 slots but asus has the heatpipe cooling and probably a better reputation for reliability and OC
they are around the same price where I am and Im looking to upgrade soon.
probably will match it with a e4400 cpu

That Asus P5K is lame, only 1066FSB

The GA-P35C-DS3R has DDR3 support which the P5K doesn't have either, whether this is a good or bad thing at the moment, there isn't much word.



Boy for one of the latest boards to come out this is certainly ONE DEAD THREAD!
 

bloodugly

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I just got the p35-ds3r. Very nice board, no problems or instability so far. I'm running an e6400 at 3.1ghz on it with 4gigs of that HP RAM thats listed over in Hot Deals.
 

DasFox

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Originally posted by: bloodugly
I just got the p35-ds3r. Very nice board, no problems or instability so far. I'm running an e6400 at 3.1ghz on it with 4gigs of that HP RAM thats listed over in Hot Deals.

YEAH, FINALLY some feedback...

Now if we can just get some nice website reviews...

ALOHA
 

bloodugly

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One other thing: Even with all the settings I tried that didn't work (too high of CPU speed for given voltage, trying tighter RAM timings just to see what'd happen, etc), never once did I have to clear CMOS with the jumper. This board has no problems recovering and resetting itself to AUTO settings. The recovery and reboot at AUTO settings is fast if its just a CPU issue that was causing the problem, but with RAM issues (like too tight of timings for the given speed) this board would turn on then back off a couple of times before sucessfully POSTing again. Still, its pretty quick, and its alot better than messing with a jumper. Also, I haven't had to touch any voltages other than the CPU's to get things stable. I know I'm not running that big of an overclock, but I just thought I'd mention that in case someone was wondering if they'd need to for a similar setup.
 

xsilver

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Originally posted by: DasFox

That Asus P5K is lame, only 1066FSB

The GA-P35C-DS3R has DDR3 support which the P5K doesn't have either, whether this is a good or bad thing at the moment, there isn't much word.



Boy for one of the latest boards to come out this is certainly ONE DEAD THREAD!

i think you mean ddr2 1066 speeds
not 1066 fsb as you claim -- the gigabyte is the same on ddr2 speeds whats the problem?

the issue is if getting ddr3 support will be worth it when ddr2 is so cheap now
and the fact that the gigabyte can only support 4gb, a few people are already using 4gb ddr2

my question still stands of whether the gigabyte is a good stable board and good OC.
the toms review showed that it was not that great for OC atm.
 

DasFox

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Originally posted by: xsilver
Originally posted by: DasFox

That Asus P5K is lame, only 1066FSB

The GA-P35C-DS3R has DDR3 support which the P5K doesn't have either, whether this is a good or bad thing at the moment, there isn't much word.



Boy for one of the latest boards to come out this is certainly ONE DEAD THREAD!

i think you mean ddr2 1066 speeds
not 1066 fsb as you claim -- the gigabyte is the same on ddr2 speeds whats the problem?

the issue is if getting ddr3 support will be worth it when ddr2 is so cheap now
and the fact that the gigabyte can only support 4gb, a few people are already using 4gb ddr2

my question still stands of whether the gigabyte is a good stable board and good OC.
the toms review showed that it was not that great for OC atm.

Oh my bad I was reading that FSB info on some site, I guess I mis-read, or they messed it up, ok I see now it's 1333FSB, but I still won't buy an Asus...

As far as a good OC, that will hopefully come in some new bios updates...

ALOHA
 

8 bit barbarian

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I just put my first C2D rig together over the weekend.

GA-P35-DS3P
e6600
some OCZ RAM on their list {something fancy}

No major problems at all!

I think my driver cd was a bad pressing - I had to dl chipset drivers off the web. Probably the worst problem I had.

I haven't done any stress testing yet but no crashing or thrashing as I load programs.

I tinkered a bit with OC and with just FSB and no extra volts it was booting and running fine @ 3ghz. I can't find where to change the RAM timings but I also haven't read this whole thread or the manual so that gives me something to do.

I needed a Texas Instruments firewire chipset {for my MOTU audio} and had been set on the ASUS P5W 775x chipset board but this was cheaper and the good preliminary reviews about the mature bios and even though I'm not normally on the bleeding edge of the technology for my main box I felt comfortable going with this board.

Looking forward to seeing some reviews and reading some bios tweaks - this forum has been a big source of info while I was shopping.

 
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