Gillette’s wonderfully woke new commercial

[Vic]

So yes.

Go have a drink and relax.

Maybe you're unfamiliar with the term I used, but it has a long history of use by white supremacists against other whites, using the 'logic' that whites who don't support white supremacy must be bigoted against whites.

To clarify, I'm not saying that anyone is a white supremacist here. I am saying that the idea that one can racist or bigoted against oneself is obviously stupid, and contains a fundamental misunderstanding of what it means to be racist or bigoted.

 

[realibrad]

Maybe you're unfamiliar with the term I used, but it has a long history of use by white supremacists against other whites, using the 'logic' that whites who don't support white supremacy must be bigoted against whites.

I asked you a question that was not about the term. If you want to read into what I asked and cram it full of something I did not say, I can''t stop you.

 

[snoopy7548]

*more fart noises*

 

[brycejones]

To sum up the thread, left wingers perform mental gymnastics to rationalize an ad that they would otherwise condemn if it depicted just about any other demographic in a similar manner.

I disagree, it appears to be about a bunch of snowflakes who get offended at being told to not be a dick.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Who in this thread that is against the ad is outraged? I see people that dislike the ad, but, nobody that has been outraged.

I DEMAND answers and DEMAND that someone be held accountable for this! I need the names and addresses of every fucker that were a part of this!

Oh no, wait, sorry - that was Kathy Griffin doxing the MAGA kids.

 

[HurleyBird]

To clarify, I'm not saying that anyone is a white supremacist here. I am saying that the idea that one can racist or bigoted against oneself is obviously stupid, and contains a fundamental misunderstanding of what it means to be racist or bigoted.

Racism is a metaphysical, abstract concept, and whether you include or exclude self hating individuals is itself rather subjective.

For myself, I think the pertinent factor is motivation and presentation, which is hard to encapsulate in a definition. For example, if you viscerally hate your own race or group I'd say that most closely resembles bigotry, keeping in mind that such individuals almost always engage in some kind of internal special pleading that exempts themselves from their prejudicial stance. If you think that your race is somehow fundamentally inferior, but without that kind visceral fervour, then that's arguably sad pathetic cuckery, but I wouldn't call it bigotry.

 

[Zorba]

Maybe you're unfamiliar with the term I used, but it has a long history of use by white supremacists against other whites, using the 'logic' that whites who don't support white supremacy must be bigoted against whites.

To clarify, I'm not saying that anyone is a white supremacist here. I am saying that the idea that one can racist or bigoted against oneself is obviously stupid, and contains a fundamental misunderstanding of what it means to be racist or bigoted.

There are many gay men that hate gays and are bigotted against them. See Mike Pence, or any number of 90s family values preachers caught with male prostitutes.

 

[nakedfrog]

I DEMAND answers and DEMAND that someone be held accountable for this! I need the names and addresses of every fucker that were a part of this!

Oh no, wait, sorry - that was Kathy Griffin doxing the MAGA kids.

I don't see doxxing there?

 

[HurleyBird]

Calling for them to be doxxed, whatever. A distinction without a difference.

 

[realibrad]

I don't see doxxing there?

She was calling for doxxing. It was about the boys from that Catholic school though.

 

[nakedfrog]

Calling for them to be doxxed, whatever. A distinction without a difference.

Uh, no, it's a pretty huge difference.

 

[HurleyBird]

Perhaps in sofar as not having the stones to do the deep yourself also signifies cowardice or laziness. Otherwise, no.

 

[Vic]

Racism is a metaphysical, abstract concept, and whether you include or exclude self hating individuals is itself rather subjective.

For myself, I think the pertinent factor is motivation and presentation, which is hard to encapsulate in a definition. For example, if you viscerally hate your own race or group I'd say that most closely resembles bigotry, keeping in mind that such individuals almost always engage in some kind of internal special pleading that exempts themselves from their prejudicial stance. If you think that your race is somehow fundamentally inferior, but without that kind visceral fervour, then that's arguably sad pathetic cuckery, but I wouldn't call it bigotry.

And what does it mean when another person's desire for equal rights leads one to assume that they must believe their race and/or gender is inferior?

 

[brycejones]

Why are we talking about the MAGA kids in a thread about a Gillette ad? Isn't there like a whole thread on the MAGA kids?

 

[HurleyBird]

And what does it mean when another person's desire for equal rights leads one to assume that they must believe their race and/or gender is inferior?

In the case of this ad it means you should test them for consistency. If they show inconsistency or refuse to answer, then there's a good chance they're hateful my-group-but-I'm-exempt bigots or sad self-hating cucks, depending again on the underlying motivation and presentation.

 

[Vic]

In the case of this ad it means you should test them for consistency. If they show inconsistency or refuse to answer, then there's a good chance they're hateful my-group-but-I'm-exempt bigots or sad self-hating cucks, depending again on the underlying motivation and presentation.

So everyone not as triggered by this ad as you are is a cuck?

 

[HurleyBird]

I'd actually err more towards the former, and even then only for those who fail or refuse the consistency test, but unless you want to get back on the topic of the nature of bigotry I'm not going to digress to another conversation entirely.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Uh, no, it's a pretty huge difference.

Are you stupid? She is clearly CALLING for people to obtain their names and information. She specifically uses the word "dox" in her tweet...

 

[nakedfrog]

Are you stupid? She is clearly CALLING for people to obtain their names and information. She specifically uses the word "dox" in her tweet...

Yes, she did.
Let me know when that's the same thing as actually posting personally identifiable information on someone, IE, "doxxing", stupid.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Yes, she did.
Let me know when that's the same thing as actually posting personally identifiable information on someone, IE, "doxxing", stupid.

Did you fall out of a tree? I never proclaimed she did you insignificant dolt.

I DEMAND answers and DEMAND that someone be held accountable for this! I need the names and addresses of every fucker that were a part of this!

Oh no, wait, sorry - that was Kathy Griffin doxing the MAGA kids.

 

[zinfamous]

Lol! Thanx Moon. I laughed.

Did you know that my avatar is my daughter. She is 15 years old. The last time she was tested, she was in the top 1% in the state on the standardized reading test they gave. This is why it perplexed my wife and I that she failed 3 classes last year. True story, we found her drug stash last week. I always knew my son was doing drugs because it was ridiculously obvious. He is a shitty liar, probably because he isn't overly intelligent. Our daughter played us quite well. I never wanted to believe she would get involved in that shit. Turns out she is in the same stuff that fried my son's brain - psychedelics. What I would LOVE to see is the mainstream media and corporations start virtue signalling over drugs. Make it seem uncool to do them. Why isn't hard drug usage marginalized in even the slightest degree?
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All of that was tried for nearly two decades. Remember that idiot Reagan and his nonsense wife?

Yeah, it failed spectacularly.

 

[HurleyBird]

Actually you did and it's right in the quote... but it doesn't make any real (positive) difference on a moral level.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Actually you did and it's right in the quote... but it doesn't make any real (positive) difference on a moral level.

I see what you mean in my URL - but anyone with half a brain can tell that I was imitating what she was doing in her tweet, which was CALLING for doxing.

A celebrity calling for the doxing is just as bad as the actual doxing anyway.

 

[Vic]

I'd actually err more towards the former, but unless you want to get back on the topic of the nature of bigotry I'm not going to digress to another conversation entirely.

Fair enough. My actual assessment of this particular scenario is that the reason this ad doesn't bother me is because I don't identify with the prospect of being falsely accused of sexual assault. Sounds like hubris maybe, but I don't. So what I see is just another ad telling me to be a better person by buying whatever they're selling, just like most ads, and nothing more.

A lot of the labels used in our discourses are overused. I'm not saying that there aren't racists, cucks, or whatever out there, just that usually the issues don't revolve around such generalizations. but around self-identity, whether we want to admit it or not.
So when we see an example of conflict, the side we take in that conflict is likely to be dictated by the side within that conflict that we identify with. And likewise, our hostilities toward the side we don't identify with is a representation of the threat posed to our identity within that conflict.
This is why we take the sides we do, and care about the outcomes like we do.

 

[Vic]

I see what you mean in my URL - but anyone with half a brain can tell that I was imitating what she was doing in her tweet, which was CALLING for doxing.

A celebrity calling for the doxing is just as bad as the actual doxing anyway.

I'm not going to defend anyone on this, but I will point out that while you're furious that someone called for the kids' secret identities to be revealed, that someone you're mad at about that was using their real name, and has had to deal with real life consequences for their own public behavior.