Because Obama has no worthwhile accomplishment to run on and it's the only way to deflect from his flaming incompetance.
Because Obama has no worthwhile accomplishment to run on and it's the only way to deflect from his flaming incompetance.
I didn't see OBL go down on Bush's watch....
I didn't see OBL go down on Bush's watch....
Because Obama has no worthwhile accomplishment to run on and it's the only way to deflect from his flaming incompetance.
Lulz! You think newt is going to take obama to the cleaners in a debate? He's going to beat the former president of the harvard law review in a debate?
mind=blown
It doesn't occur to you that works just as well for left wingers?Yeah, or any number of other bush policies obama has completed with many right winger tears.
This is how a right winger thinks :
OMG OBAMA ASSASSINATING US CITIZENS ABROAD!
Bush bravely eliminated a terrorist target with drone strike!
I commend them both, but Obama deserves quite a bit of credit. He had to make the call to go into Pakistan without notifying them. That could have gone horribly wrong. A much safer thing would have been to use a drone strike, or send in SF but only after notifying Pakistan (which would certainly have saved bin Ladin and possibly killed some very brave men.) Had this gone horribly wrong, with many SF killed and Usama escaping, Obama would have been pilloried and probably wouldn't be President now. We certainly wouldn't be discussing his chances of reelection.To say that either President had an *enormous* role in this is a vast exaggeration.
If anything, commend them both for allocating the resources they did during their time in the Presidency, but certainly don't tear one down in this instance.
-GP
Ironically it's Newt who would thoroughly whip Obama in a debate but Romney's probably more electable. Newt does have a proven record at managing these same problems, but he has SO many skeletons.Newt can't beat Obama but Romney might. In the end I suspect the power brokers will select Romney.
I commend them both, but Obama deserves quite a bit of credit. He had to make the call to go into Pakistan without notifying them. That could have gone horribly wrong. A much safer thing would have been to use a drone strike, or send in SF but only after notifying Pakistan (which would certainly have saved bin Ladin and possibly killed some very brave men.) Had this gone horribly wrong, with many SF killed and Usama escaping, Obama would have been pilloried and probably wouldn't be President now. We certainly wouldn't be discussing his chances of reelection.
Give the man his due credit. So much of what Presidents are accorded credit or blame simply happens on their watch, but in this case the man rolled the dice with his political ass on the line and a score of SF's actual lives on his conscious. I don't think Bush would have done any less, but Obama deserves his accolades here because he DID do it.
If Newt Gingrich gets the nomination he will help further the tradition of voting against someone instead of for them.
I commend them both, but Obama deserves quite a bit of credit. He had to make the call to go into Pakistan without notifying them. That could have gone horribly wrong. A much safer thing would have been to use a drone strike, or send in SF but only after notifying Pakistan (which would certainly have saved bin Ladin and possibly killed some very brave men.) Had this gone horribly wrong, with many SF killed and Usama escaping, Obama would have been pilloried and probably wouldn't be President now. We certainly wouldn't be discussing his chances of reelection.
Give the man his due credit. So much of what Presidents are accorded credit or blame simply happens on their watch, but in this case the man rolled the dice with his political ass on the line and a score of SF's actual lives on his conscious. I don't think Bush would have done any less, but Obama deserves his accolades here because he DID do it.
Yeah, I think it too.
Since Axelrod left Obama hasn't appeared impressive at all when speaking. He was very impressive during the campaign, but not so much since then. I attribute it to Axelrod's departure.
Fern
I didn't see OBL go down on Bush's watch....
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/02/how-osama-bin-laden-foundSenior US administration officials, briefing journalists in a late-night teleconference, said that after 9/11 the CIA chased various leads about Bin Laden's inner circle, in particular his couriers. One of these couriers came in for special attention, mentioned by detainees at Guantánamo Bay by his nom de guerre. He was said to be a protege of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the 9/11 mastermind, and one of the few couriers Bin Laden trusted.
Officials said they were initially unable to identify him but finally did so four years ago. They did not disclose his name to reporters on Sunday.
Two years ago, the CIA found the rough location where the courier and his brother lived in Pakistan, and on August last year they narrowed it down to a compound in Abbottabad, an affluent area about 35 miles north of Islamabad that had been founded as a British garrison town in the 1840s and named after its first deputy commissioner, Major James Abbott.
They realised immediately this was no normal residence. The walls of the 3,000 sq ft compound were 12-18ft high, topped with barbed wire. There were two security gates, and access to the compound was severely restricted. The main part of the residence was three storeys high but had few windows, and a third-floor terrace was shielded by a privacy wall. Built around five years ago, it was valued at about $1m but had no phone or internet connection.
The two brothers had no known source of income, adding to CIA suspicions. The CIA learned too that there was a family living with them, and that the composition of this family matched Bin Laden's.
Local suspicions were understood to have been aroused by the fact that the residents of the compound burned their rubbish rather than putting it out for collection. Salman Riaz, a film actor, said that five months ago he and a crew tried to do some filming next to the house, but were told to stop by two men who came out. "They told me that this is haram (forbidden) in Islam," he said. He did not know that he had stumbled across a bespoke terrorist hideaway "custom-built to hide someone of significance", according to a US official.
By September, the CIA had determined there was a "strong possibility" that the hideout was Bin Laden's, and by February, they were confident they had the right location. In March Barack Obama began chairing a series of five national security meetings. At the last of these, on Friday 29 April, while the world's attention was on the royal wedding taking place in London, he gave the order to mount an operation.
No, Obama has already ensured that will happen. If he broke this many promises and acted this bad while wanting to be re-elected, imagine the horrros he will attempt to unleash if he wins and cannot be elected again.
Nationalized health care is about it. Republicans would have done some things differently - more tax rate cuts than pork projects as stimulus - but overall I don't see a great difference between McCain and Obama.You mean a product of the spiteful vote inspires more spiteful votes?
Disclaimer: I did not vote for Obama.
What has Obama done that repubs wouldn't have?
You mean a product of the spiteful vote inspires more spiteful votes?
Disclaimer: I did not vote for Obama.
What has Obama done that repubs wouldn't have?
Nationalized health care is about it. Republicans would have done some things differently - more tax rate cuts than pork projects as stimulus - but overall I don't see a great difference between McCain and Obama.
Yep, and the repubs would not have lied about closing gitmo, lied about the timetable to remove combat troops from iraq, etc. Basically, Obama lied to his supporters and said he would do a bunch of things the repubs would not have done, then went and did them all.
Sadly, his supporters have no problem with Obama doing that to them.
True, but Obama ripped control from the states and took it for the federal government. For this alone the left should revere him, for they can now break the private insurance companies slowly but surely using the very ill-defined agency, looting them of their money. Had he established NHC, the left would not have gotten its hands on all that lovely cash. The Pubbies would not doubt have done minor things to expand accessibility to health care - both sides should do that - but would never have seized control of health care for the federal government. (And it's pretty amusing that the left is still accusing Republicans of wanting to cut Medicare after Obama and the Democrats DID cut hundreds of billions from Medicare. Is it reality or honesty you guys have such a problem with?)Werepossum: We don't have NHS, we have some bastard child of private and public healthcare. I see the Repubs pulling a move much the same, their solution would have medicare cuts and tax bonuses for those with healthcare.
cybrsage: Breaking campaign promises is the President's sworn duty; there are lists just as long for every president before Obama(excepting George Washington, motherfucker did nothing in office). I don't fault Obama for his broken promises, I judge him on what he's done in office(as I judged Bush).
Seriously though, Newt Gingrich? I'd rather have Salamander Raypaul.
cybrsage: Breaking campaign promises is the President's sworn duty; there are lists just as long for every president before Obama(excepting George Washington, motherfucker did nothing in office). I don't fault Obama for his broken promises, I judge him on what he's done in office(as I judged Bush).