Gingrich wanted public execution for possession of weed.

[LTC8K6]

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/usc_sup_01_18_10_II_20_228.html

http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/21cfr/21usc/960.htm

 

[LTC8K6]

Here are some of the facts of the law he wanted to pass.
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Summary:
9/25/1996--Introduced.
Drug Importer Death Penalty Act of 1996 - Amends the Controlled Substances Import and Export Act to direct the court to sentence a person convicted of bringing into the United States a proscribed quantity of a mixture or substance containing a controlled substance in an amount the Attorney General has determined is equal to 100 usual dosage amounts to life imprisonment without possibility of release (or, if the defendant has violated such provision on more than one occasion and if certain requirements under the Federal criminal code are met, to death). Makes conforming amendments to the code.

From the law itself:

‘‘(B) in an amount the Attorney General by
13 rule has determined is equal to 100 usual dosage
14 amounts of such mixture or substance;
15 to imprisonment for life without possibility of release. If
16 the defendant has violated this subsection on more than
17 one occasion and the requirements of chapter 228 of title
18 18, United States Code, are satisfied, the court shall sentence the defendant to death."

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h104-4170&tab=summary

So, it would have to be at least 4 ounces of weed then, and not just two. And there were other hurdles as well.

 

[cybrsage]

Can't make this sh*t up.

Actually you can, and the book did make it up. Using just a little intelligence (the amound needed to open a search engine and type the bill number with the year, then follow the link in govtrack to Thomas:

HR 4170 IH
104th CONGRESS
2d Session
H. R. 4170
To provide a sentence of death for certain importations of significant quantities of controlled substances.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
September 25, 1996


Mr. GINGRICH introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary, and in addition to the Committee on Commerce, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned
A BILL
To provide a sentence of death for certain importations of significant quantities of controlled substances.

• Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

• This Act may be cited as the `Drug Importer Death Penalty Act of 1996'.

SEC. 2. INCREASED PENALTIES FOR INTERNATIONAL DRUG TRAFFICKING.

• Section 1010 of the Controlled Substances Import and Export Act (21 U.S.C. 960) is amended by adding at the end the following:

• `(e)(1) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the court shall sentence a person convicted of a violation of subsection (a), consisting of bringing into the United States a mixture or substance--

• • `(A) which is described in subsection (b)(1); and

• • `(B) in an amount the Attorney General by rule has determined is equal to 100 usual dosage amounts of such mixture or substance;

• to imprisonment for life without possibility of release. If the defendant has violated this subsection on more than one occasion and the requirements of chapter 228 of title 18, United States Code, are satisfied, the court shall sentence the defendant to death.

• `(2) The maximum fine that otherwise may be imposed, but for this subsection, shall not be reduced by operation of this subsection.'

SEC. 3. CONFORMING AMENDMENTS TO TITLE 18, UNITED STATES CODE.

• (a) INCLUSION OF OFFENSE- Section 3591(b) of title 18, United States Code, is amended--

• • (1) by striking `or' at the end of paragraph (1);

• • (2) by striking the comma at the end of paragraph (2) and inserting `; or' at the end of paragraph (2); and

• • (3) by inserting after paragraph (2) the following:

• • `(3) an offense described in section 1010(e)(1) of the Controlled Substances Import and Export Act;'

• (b) ADDITIONAL AGGRAVATING FACTOR- Section 3592(d) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after paragraph (8) the following:

• • `(9) SECOND IMPORTATION OFFENSE- The offense consisted of a second or subsequent violation of section 1010(a) of the Controlled Substances Import and Export Act consisting of bringing a controlled substance into the United States.'.

• • [URL]http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c104:h4170:[/url]

Then we go and look up the actual law being amended:

TITLE 21 > CHAPTER 13 > SUBCHAPTER II > § 960
Prev | Next
§ 960. Prohibited acts A

(b) Penalties (1)In the case of a violation of subsection (a) of this section involving—(A)1 kilogram or more of a mixture or substance containing a detectable amount of heroin;
(B)5 kilograms or more of a mixture or substance containing a detectable amount of—(i)coca leaves, except coca leaves and extracts of coca leaves from which cocaine, ecgonine, and derivatives of ecgonine or their salts have been removed;
(ii)cocaine, its salts, optical and geometric isomers, and salts or isomers;
(iii)ecgonine, its derivatives, their salts, isomers, and salts of isomers; or
(iv)any compound, mixture, or preparation which contains any quantity of any of the substances referred to in clauses (i) through (iii);


(C)50 grams or more of a mixture or substance described in subparagraph (B) which contains cocaine base;
(D)100 grams or more of phencyclidine (PCP) or 1 kilogram or more of a mixture or substance containing a detectable amount of phencyclidine (PCP);
(E)10 grams or more of a mixture or substance containing a detectable amount of lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD);
(F)400 grams or more of a mixture or ­substance containing a detectable amount of N-phenyl-N- [1- ( 2-phenylethyl ) -4-piperidinyl] propanamide or 100 grams or more of a mixture or substance containing a detectable amount of any analogue of N-phenyl-N-[1-(2-phenylethyl)-4-piperidinyl] propanamide;
(G)1000 kilograms or more of a mixture or substance containing a detectable amount of marihuana; or
(H)50 grams or more of methamphetamine, its salts, isomers, and salts of its isomers or 500 grams or more of a mixture or substance containing a detectable amount of methamphetamine, its salts, isomers, or salts of its isomers.[1]

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode21/usc_sec_21_00000960----000-.html


So while the book is obviuosly lying, I do not realistically expect people to stop using it as a source of info. It says what they want to hear and that makes it more important than the truth.

 

[cybrsage]

It has to be a second offense and it has to be a significant amount and it has to be imported into the US.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

When you have a President that believes in killing people because they are brown, I can't see how Newt can be any worse.

You really are remarkably incoherent.

I think it's an incredibly glib and inaccurate statement to say that President Obama believes in killing people because they are brown, and in any case he has indisputably killed fewer brown people than the two preceding Republican Presidents, both of whom are named Bush. Do you seriously believe Gingrich would be LESS militarily aggressive than Obama?

To return to the issue, are you pleased with Gingrich as a GOP nominee, relative to other Republican candidates and potential candidates (as opposed to our Democratic President, who wasn't asked about)? Do you agree with him that it's a good idea to execute people publicly for marijuana possession?

 

[xj0hnx]

Actually you can, and the book did make it up. Using just a little intelligence (the amound needed to open a search engine and type the bill number with the year, then follow the link in govtrack to Thomas:


[/LIST]

• [URL]http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c104:h4170:[/URL]

[/LIST]Then we go and look up the actual law being amended:


http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode21/usc_sec_21_00000960----000-.html


So while the book is obviuosly lying, I do not realistically expect people to stop using it as a source of info. It says what they want to hear and that makes it more important than the truth.

It takes a certain type of person to come into a DCal430 thread and expect an ounce of truth. The dude is one of the bigger pathological liars, and teller of fibs on this forum.

 

[xj0hnx]

To return to the issue, are you pleased with Gingrich as a GOP nominee, relative to other Republican candidates and potential candidates (as opposed to our Democratic President, who wasn't asked about)? Do you agree with him that it's a good idea to execute people publicly for marijuana possession?

Newt is a terrible choice, but seriously, did you bother to read any of the responses that have actual facts about the bill in them before posting this? You have to be on your second offense, and importing a literal metric ton for this to effect you.

 

[cybrsage]

You really are remarkably incoherent.

I think it's an incredibly glib and inaccurate statement to say that President Obama believes in killing people because they are brown, and in any case he has indisputably killed fewer brown people than the two preceding Republican Presidents, both of whom are named Bush. Do you seriously believe Gingrich would be LESS militarily aggressive than Obama?

True, they have to be brown AND have oil. If they have no oil, he lets them go on killing themselves.

To return to the issue, are you pleased with Gingrich as a GOP nominee, relative to other Republican candidates and potential candidates (as opposed to our Democratic President, who wasn't asked about)? Do you agree with him that it's a good idea to execute people publicly for marijuana possession?

Did you read the bill?

 

[feralkid]

To be fair, it's actually for smuggling, not simple possession, and it's for the second offense. First offense is life without parole. Let's just get that out of the way.

How is that even possible?


If you're doing life without parole for smuggling, how does one commit a 2nd offense?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Newt is a terrible choice, but seriously, did you bother to read any of the responses that have actual facts about the bill in them before posting this? You have to be on your second offense, and importing a literal metric ton for this to effect you.

You're mistaken. All it requires is 100 dosage units. An ounce of contemporary marijuana contains well over 100 dosage units.

The death penalty is already available for importers of truly large amounts of narcotics, and it hasn't deterred drug activity - cocaine is cheaper today than it was 30 years ago. The Gingrich bill was stupid and I have to think most Americans would oppose it, particularly as it relates to MJ.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

True, they have to be brown AND have oil. If they have no oil, he lets them go on killing themselves.

Did you read the bill?

Are you claiming President Obama is more disposed to "killing brown people" than either President Bush, or Gingrich himself? The only current candidate who seems to be proposing a kill-fewer-brown-people platform is Paul, and his foreign policy views are well outside the mainstream. I don't think most Americans agree it makes sense to treat Iran like Canada.

Yes, I've read the bill. See my prior post for comments.

 

[zsdersw]

Still, the death penalty seems a gross overreaction. Selling large quantities of marijuana that were brought in from another country is not, IMO, a crime at all... let alone one punishable by death.

I don't smoke it, but why the hell should I care if someone else does... or if someone else sells a lot of it?

 

[cybrsage]

How is that even possible?


If you're doing life without parole for smuggling, how does one commit a 2nd offense?

Life in prison without parole has never actually meant someone dies in prison. It is sad, but true.

 

[cybrsage]

Are you claiming President Obama is more disposed to "killing brown people" than either President Bush, or Gingrich himself?

You are reading a lot into the statement. The statement is exactly what it says. I made no mention of Bush, Gingrich, Martha Stewart, or Santa Claus.

The only current candidate who seems to be proposing a kill-fewer-brown-people platform is Paul, and his foreign policy views are well outside the mainstream. I don't think most Americans agree it makes sense to treat Iran like Canada.

Agreed.

 

[cybrsage]

You're mistaken. All it requires is 100 dosage units. An ounce of contemporary marijuana contains well over 100 dosage units.

From the law itself, which I posted:

"(G)1000 kilograms or more of a mixture or substance containing a detectable amount of marihuana; or"

1000 kilograms. That is literally ONE METRIC TON.

That is why I asked if you read the bill...which would also require you to read the law it amends.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

From the law itself, which I posted:

"(G)1000 kilograms or more of a mixture or substance containing a detectable amount of marihuana; or"

1000 kilograms. That is literally ONE METRIC TON.

That is why I asked if you read the bill...which would also require you to read the law it amends.

I had not read the law. I'd have to put the two together to be 100% certain your read is correct, but it appears to me it is. I still stand by my sentiment that this would be a stupid addition to the law. The death penalty is already available as a sanction for importation of large amounts of drugs - it has had no apparent deterrent effect.

 

[senseamp]

To be fair, it's actually for smuggling, not simple possession, and it's for the second offense. First offense is life without parole. Let's just get that out of the way.

That makes even less sense. How is someone in prison for life going to sell weed to children?

 

[senseamp]

From the law itself, which I posted:

"(G)1000 kilograms or more of a mixture or substance containing a detectable amount of marihuana; or"

1000 kilograms. That is literally ONE METRIC TON.

That is why I asked if you read the bill...which would also require you to read the law it amends.

One ton of the mixture, not 1 ton of weed. So you could have an ounce of weed mixed into a ton of mixture.

 

[JockoJohnson]

How is that even possible?


If you're doing life without parole for smuggling, how does one commit a 2nd offense?

Lol, good point. Welcome to the US judicial system where life w/o parole means a few years served and then they get out.

 

[woolfe9999]

That makes even less sense. How is someone in prison for life going to sell weed to children?

If someone got their first conviction before LWOP was the penalty...

 

[Ausm]

Could there be a public execution for being a hypocritical pompous gas bag?

 

[xj0hnx]

One ton of the mixture, not 1 ton of weed. So you could have an ounce of weed mixed into a ton of mixture.

I expect stupid from you, and you sir do not disappoint.

 

[Bowfinger]

Could there be a public execution for being a hypocritical pompous gas bag?

Who would be left to turn out the lights in D.C.?

 

[Ausm]

Who would be left to turn out the lights in D.C.?

You got me there!

 

[Bowfinger]

From the law itself, which I posted:

"(G)1000 kilograms or more of a mixture or substance containing a detectable amount of marihuana; or"

1000 kilograms. That is literally ONE METRIC TON.

That is why I asked if you read the bill...which would also require you to read the law it amends.

And the proposed change added "100 usual dosage amounts" to violations under that law. So unless you're claiming 10 kg of weed is a usual dosage, you're misrepresenting the bill.