Girl born without a brain

[gothamhunter]

Honestly, without the abnormal amount of medical intervention thus far, "she" would have been dead long ago, by natural causes, which is what should have happened. The mother has "power of attorney"; Take "her" off "life support".

 

[Broheim]

For pure amusement and comparison's sake, grandma actually paid into the system that is keeping her alive and possibly birthed an entire clan that still fondly remember her as the lady from yesteryear. I would say that gives her a little edge in the "which to keep alive" argument.

are you 100% sure grandma paid more into the system than she received?

so what you're saying is it all comes down to bonding and how other people feel about you?

>Pregnancy hormones don't realz

TIL

 

[SpatiallyAware]

are you 100% sure grandma paid more into the system than she received?

so what you're saying is it all comes down to bonding and how other people feel about you?

>Pregnancy hormones don't realz

TIL

If you really want to get into the psychology of it, parents don't bond with their infant children until at least 12 months.

This is a protection mechanism, for situations just like the OP.

 

[Aharami]

If you really want to get into the psychology of it, parents don't bond with their infant children until at least 12 months.

This is a protection mechanism, for situations just like the OP.

my wife and I, as parents of a 3 month old daughter, would beg to differ. Did you pull that "data" from somewhere the sun don't shine?!

 

[HOSED]

MAybe the baby should be given to the morons who went on the world sailboat tour with a sick baby. Then you would have two brainless adults and a matching child.
BTW should our tax money really go to help/save these sailing fools?

 

[SpatiallyAware]

my wife and I, as parents of a 3 month old daughter, would beg to differ. Did you pull that "data" from somewhere the sun don't shine?!

This is something taught in college level psychology classes. Read up

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attachment_theory

I'm not saying you don't love your daughter or whatever, or that you don't value her. But from a psychological definition of "love" you will not be attached until she's 1 year old.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

MAybe the baby should be given to the morons who went on the world sailboat tour with a sick baby. Then you would have two brainless adults and a matching child.
BTW should our tax money really go to help/save these sailing fools?

Read this thread, comparing helping elderly people with quality of life to supporting a human literally with no brain and acting like they're equal.

Of course these are the same people who ok with us paying lazy people to stay home and watch jerry, so honestly not all that surprising.

 

[Rakehellion]

I'd guess she gets $200 EBT, $400 disability, $800 social security, $4000 state $6000 fed tax stipend at BARE minimum.

If she's in a modern progressive state it wouldn't surprise me if she's netting >$20,000 / year off this situation.

And she doesn't have to work, so she can care for the child.


And we're all paying for it. Happy Friday!

Smells like bullshit.

 

[Ruptga]

I can't believe this even has to be said.

You let it die. That is not the same as "killing it in its sleep".


It sucks, but that's life.

That's a semantic distinction. It may be an important distinction legally, but practically and ethically there is none. I'd have killed it as soon as I could, through a late term abortion, legally letting it starve, or whatever. I can accept that and don't need to hide behind legalese.

a week before the birth? of course she's going to carry it to term.
afterwards, what should they do? Kill it in its sleep? By that line of thinking we'd all have to go around killing anybody with a deteriorative neurological disorder "yo grandma', cuz of alzheimers yo brain don't work bitch, eat lead!".

You're assuming your own conclusion. Kaliysha already fits an existing legal definition of death, brain death. Those with Alzheimer's are not brain-dead. That said, IMO conditions like Alzheimer's do eventually lead to death of the person, even well before the rest of them dies. It's messy though; because the deterioration is gradual there is no way to quantify when exactly the person inside the body has died, so on the one hand we're spending a ton of money caring for carrots, and on the other hand we sometimes let people with some person-hood remaining die.

If it ever comes down to it I'll make things simple for my family. If I ever wake up not knowing who I am, I can't function, and there is no reasonable chance of recovery I'm as good as dead.

 

[Broheim]

If you really want to get into the psychology of it, parents don't bond with their infant children until at least 12 months.

This is a protection mechanism, for situations just like the OP.

oh you mean like the one that shuts down the female body during rape?


a hormonal bonding process takes place even before the child is born, in both the mother and the father (if he's around the mother). If it didn't the human race would cease to exist because nobody would give a shit about that screaming poop machine from hell, evolution sorted it out so we take care of our young. And if you think that mothers and fathers don't bond with their infant I suggest you take that show on the road so you can explain to all the parents that lost a child before the 1 year mark how they should really feel.


as for attachment theory, it deals with the infant's bonding, not the parents/guardian/whatever, from an evolutionary pov this would make sense as the mother might die in labor and the father might not be there so the child should bond with the with adult that would provide the best opportunity for survival.
The reverse is not true for the parents, they have to be ready to take care of the child the instance it pops out of the uterus.

 

[moonbogg]

If you really want to get into the psychology of it, parents don't bond with their infant children until at least 12 months.

This is a protection mechanism, for situations just like the OP.

I noticed this with my kids, but it didn't take 12 months. You feel yourself starting to like and love them more and more as time goes on. You'd think it would be instant love, like with a new puppy, but it isn't. Especially since that shit come out looking ugly. I didn't even want to touch it.

BTW, I got the cutest kids on this entire forum and that isn't subjective. Don't make me prove it. You'll feel like biological failures.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Donate to science. Be done with it. Your kid is not a kid, but a empty shell of a human. Let some doctors do research on the body to at least maybe provide some benefit to some other person.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I noticed this with my kids, but it didn't take 12 months. You feel yourself starting to like and love them more and more as time goes on. You'd think it would be instant love, like with a new puppy, but it isn't. Especially since that shit come out looking ugly. I didn't even want to touch it.

BTW, I got the cutest kids on this entire forum and that isn't subjective. Don't make me prove it. You'll feel like biological failures.

I agree with you, and I'm sure it's different for everyone. It's a psychological thing, not an exact science.

 

[Aharami]

This is something taught in college level psychology classes. Read up

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attachment_theory

I'm not saying you don't love your daughter or whatever, or that you don't value her. But from a psychological definition of "love" you will not be attached until she's 1 year old.

maybe you should read up your own link a little carefully. It is talking about the infant bonding to the parents, not the other way around.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

maybe you should read up your own link a little carefully. It is talking about the infant bonding to the parents, not the other way around.

Read further down, google the term.

I didn't read the article, but this is very basic psychology pretty much all college and advanced high school students are taught.

Or just stay stupid.

 

[moonbogg]

I agree with you, and I'm sure it's different for everyone. It's a psychological thing, not an exact science.

It was noticeable enough to actually grab my attention and I became aware of it. The instinct to be hyper protective was there from the very start, but the emotional connection to the baby took time. It took a while before I started to really feel that this was another person, a separate individual that I was getting to know and love. Bonding isn't instant with strangers so why the hell would it be instant with your own kids? I think people confuse instincts with bonding. They are different. Instincts to protect and care for the baby are instant and even before birth. Bonding takes some time IMO.

 

[HN]

evolutionary response to the zombie uprising. She will lead the resistance.

 

[gothamhunter]

evolutionary response to the zombie uprising. She will lead the resistance.

Or it is part of the zombie horde...

 

[bradley]

I know this is tough for you modern progressives to wrap your minds around, but If I am helping to pay for it I will judge it.

Sorry, I don't believe in political ideologies. Do believe in living by example though.

Don't judge until you are willing to live these people's lives. In fact, I'm betting you probably couldn't for more than a week.

Enjoy your health though, while you still have it. Hope when more fateful days arrive, you have some very compassionate people in your surroundings.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Sorry, I don't believe in political ideologies. Do believe in living by example though.

Don't judge until you are willing to live these people's lives. In fact, I'm betting you probably couldn't for more than a week.

Enjoy your health though, while you still have it. Hope when more fateful days arrive, you have some very compassionate people in your surroundings.

Modern progressive isn't a political ideologies, it's a way your brain processes social issues.


It's a baby born literally without a brain. It's not about compassion. It's not a baby with a heart defect where we're saying it's not worth $150k surgery or something like that.

This is a non-recoverable situation. There is literally no hope for a brain to appear out of thin air.


This isn't a political question, it's a social and logical one.

 

[Paladin3]

Tragic case. I've got three healthy, happy, intelligent, athletic children (yes, I'm lucky and blessed) but I would not force my child to live without a brain. It sounds like the mom is just selfish and won't let go. Her daughter isn't even in there.

I can't help but wonder how healthy the mother was before and during pregnancy. Growing a little life is serious business and some mothers just don't understand that.

Last year a girl my daughter knows got pregnant. She's unemployed, obese, not too bright, not in very good health and smokes. I figured she would quit, but she and her boyfriend continued to smoke throughout the pregnancy. She had her baby and I can tell the poor little guy has issues. He's not alert or observant like a developing baby should be. It gives me the sads when I see the little guy.

My wife was told at 16 she would probably never be able to have children. We met young and she did everything she could to live healthy in hopes we could conceive. She ate healthy, exercised, played sports, no drugs or smoking, only light drinking, etc.

Eventually she got pregnant, and then she educated herself and did everything she could to grow the best little life inside of her possible. I credit her for the wonderful kids we have, because it wasn't my genes that did it.

I see way too many babies being born with health issues because of irresponsible mothers. Growing little lives really is serious business. At least that little girl in the OP doesn't know she is suffering, I hope.

 

[Ruptga]

Modern progressive isn't a political ideologies, it's a way your brain processes social issues.

You're trying to redefine your terms and you're overreaching. I am modern, progressive, and wouldn't think twice about pulling the plug.

It's a baby born literally without a brain. It's not about compassion. It's not a baby with a heart defect where we're saying it's not worth $150k surgery or something like that.

This is a non-recoverable situation. There is literally no hope for a brain to appear out of thin air.


This isn't a political question, it's a social and logical one.

I can't argue with the rest of that.

 

[bradley]

Modern progressive isn't a political ideologies, it's a way your brain processes social issues.


It's a baby born literally without a brain. It's not about compassion. It's not a baby with a heart defect where we're saying it's not worth $150k surgery or something like that.

This is a non-recoverable situation. There is literally no hope for a brain to appear out of thin air.


This isn't a political question, it's a social and logical one.

An ideology is a thought process for it's own sake. Progressivism is also social manipulation. Whether you have the power to assert your position is another question entirely.

Where's the moral indignation about all the sports stadiums being built and banking rates being fixed in your name etc etc ... we're talking billions and trillions.

This situation is small potatoes blown out of proportion. Except it's easier to engage in class warfare against this family rather than attack powerful people who have substantially more impact on our daily lives.

 

[moonbogg]

Tragic case. I've got three healthy, happy, intelligent, athletic children (yes, I'm lucky and blessed) but I would not force my child to live without a brain. It sounds like the mom is just selfish and won't let go. Her daughter isn't even in there.

I can't help but wonder how healthy the mother was before and during pregnancy. Growing a little life is serious business and some mothers just don't understand that.

Last year a girl my daughter knows got pregnant. She's unemployed, obese, not too bright, not in very good health and smokes. I figured she would quit, but she and her boyfriend continued to smoke throughout the pregnancy. She had her baby and I can tell the poor little guy has issues. He's not alert or observant like a developing baby should be. It gives me the sads when I see the little guy.

My wife was told at 16 she would probably never be able to have children. We met young and she did everything she could to live healthy in hopes we could conceive. She ate healthy, exercised, played sports, no drugs or smoking, only light drinking, etc.

Eventually she got pregnant, and then she educated herself and did everything she could to grow the best little life inside of her possible. I credit her for the wonderful kids we have, because it wasn't my genes that did it.

I see way too many babies being born with health issues because of irresponsible mothers. Growing little lives really is serious business. At least that little girl in the OP doesn't know she is suffering, I hope.

I hear ya. When my wife was pregnant, I'd come home and she would have this ridiculous music playing, but instead of words it had some lady whispering stuff. I was like, what the hell is that? Wife said, "Shhh! I'm playing it for the baby!"
Damn, the women take this whole growing a person thing pretty damn serious. Glad she did. We got a couple real gems.

 

[MtnMan]

Do you know the tremendous amount of care and commitment it would take to give this girl a basic quality of life? Any disability check or refund would be a drop in the bucket as payment.

The girl doesn't care, she doesn't know she exists, she doesn't have a brain, nada, zip, zilch in the IQ department, a flatline zero, or as someone else pointed out a carrot.