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Capt Caveman

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Know several since Simmons College, a local college, is one of top in this field. One works for a Government Library archiving documents, another one is at Harvard working in one of libraries archiving and doing research. The other moved to NYC and I believe is working at MOMA.

From what they tell me, it's pretty interesting work and I'm sure more rewarding than half of what people do here in real life.
 

Carson Dyle

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Some Library and Information Science programs are very much software focused. A good friend of mine completed a PhD from the University of Pittsburgh and has been working in the field of artificial intelligence.

The key word is "information". Apart from a career as an old-school librarian, that means you would be working extensively with computer systems that deliver that information.

The School of Information Sciences invites applications from students interested in the following areas:

Archives and Information Science
Recruiting doctoral students interested in pursuing academic careers in the Archives area, with a focus on digital preservation or curation and archival ethics, accountability, and appraisal issues.

Information Behavior
Recruiting doctoral students who seek to understand how people plot a course through complex information ecologies including digital environments, and how such ecologies can respond to their ways of thinking, feeling, and valuing. A special emphasis is placed on behaviors of children and youth.

Health Information Behavior and Health Education Interventions
Seeking doctoral students who wish to investigate the information practices and behaviors of health professionals, patients, caregivers, and consumers.

Social information systems
Recruiting students who will investigate issues related to the design and use of social information systems, focusing on the impact of social media on people's information behavior.

Web-based Information Systems
Recruiting doctoral students interested in studying, designing and implementing web-based systems for representing, retrieving, extracting and disseminating relevant information.

School Librarianship
Seeking doctoral students interested in teaching, research and administrative experience in a top-ranked, competency-based School Library Certification Program for school librarians and school library supervisors.

http://www.ischool.pitt.edu/lis/degrees/phd.php
 

dainthomas

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Wow that's worse than becoming a veterinarian. And vets pay a couple hundred thousand in schooling for a job that pays maybe 80k when you get established. At least there's lots of those jobs so you won't be slinging baskets of those tasty unlimited fries.
 

SirStev0

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I know someone with the same master's and they have a job and do okay overall. Works for a college and teaches some intro side classes for cash.

The hours do suck and it is salaried work.

The problem with all these -- "Its her fault, she picked a shitty job" is for a very long time no one was actually saying that shit.
I still hear people talking at work about how their kid is going for some shit degree from some shit school. Or even better that their kid finally finished their shit degree and was able to get right into Law School.

There is a lie of the middle class in this country. Used to be that skilled workers deserved to be counted as the middle class... Now its that their kids can stay in the middle class getting liberal arts degrees.

I would say she needs to go find some skill and do it, but we outsourced all those jobs. Now we are expecting kids to do service industry jobs for no pay and no future and give them no other option...

AND THEN openly mock them from trying to avoid that fate by getting a masters in something.
 

Capt Caveman

Lifer
Jan 30, 2005
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Wow that's worse than becoming a veterinarian. And vets pay a couple hundred thousand in schooling for a job that pays maybe 80k when you get established. At least there's lots of those jobs so you won't be slinging baskets of those tasty unlimited fries.

Maybe, for general practice. With overtime, it's $100k+/yr. Or specialize.

My friend who is veterinary neurologist makes over $300k and only/yr works 4 days a week.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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Jun 19, 2004
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Librarians, historically, have been repositories of information. A reference librarian didn't just need to know where books on ancient architecture were kept, they needed to know how to begin addressing the question being asked of them in the first place. Google has replaced a lot of the functionality of the role, so librarians no longer need to know the distinction between someone wanting to rebuild an exhaust manifold and someone wanting to learn about the history of gasoline engines, but the expectations of senior librarians is still "we have to hire people with advanced degrees, because how else will they know how to research questions?" I have a fair number of older (mostly retired now) librarians in my family and they all have masters degrees; it was expected for career librarians.

The above bolded is pure unadulterated bullshit. Google will never be able to make the kind of connections to legitimate research that trained Librarians can. Huge amounts of information and knowledge are not listed, quoted or. referenced online. In fact, the majority of human knowledge isn't even mentioned in passing online. The ability of the human mind to direct inquiry, integrate seemingly unrelated facts and, broaden the scope of research will NEVER be bettered by Google or any other computer based system. We've had this discussion before, you were woefully ignorant then and apparently haven't learned better since. It must be comforting to have your world view defined and, all possible questions answered by Google and wiki. If idiocracy comes to pass, you have only yourself to blame.
 

Ns1

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The above bolded is pure unadulterated bullshit. Google will never be able to make the kind of connections to legitimate research that trained Librarians can. Huge amounts of information and knowledge are not listed, quoted or. referenced online. In fact, the majority of human knowledge isn't even mentioned in passing online. The ability of the human mind to direct inquiry, integrate seemingly unrelated facts and, broaden the scope of research will NEVER be bettered by Google or any other computer based system. We've had this discussion before, you were woefully ignorant then and apparently haven't learned better since. It must be comforting to have your world view defined and, all possible questions answered by Google and wiki. If idiocracy comes to pass, you have only yourself to blame.

Let's see, google or this?

 

Ns1

No Lifer
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Hey, if you're happy being led through life by commercial based algorithms, you go right ahead and be a good little consumer.

seems like a better choice than someone who spent 6 years working at a bagel shop and got her masters in library research.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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Poetry, history, letters to name a few. Something that may hit a little closer to home, the Federal depository libraries aren't online, most of the Library of Congress, museum collections and the list goes on. Librarians don't just find things, suggest and guide research, they teach you how to think. Google and wiki are incapable of that.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
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Librarians don't just find things, suggest and guide research, they teach you how to think.

You must've had significantly different librarians than I did growing up.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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You must've had significantly different librarians than I did growing up.

I was fortunate to have lived close to some of the greatest libraries in North America. I was self educated through high school by librarians who did their best to expose me to the amazing panorama of great works and collections of the country. They taught me how to think, something that almost every regular school teacher managed to miss the mark on.
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
Nov 30, 2004
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Poetry, history, letters to name a few. Something that may hit a little closer to home, the Federal depository libraries aren't online, most of the Library of Congress, museum collections and the list goes on. Librarians don't just find things, suggest and guide research, they teach you how to think. Google and wiki are incapable of that.

All of that is available online. Most of us don't have the luxury of worldwide excursions to look in a one of a kind book(that we probably won't be allowed to see anyway). If you can't get to it, it doesn't exist in practicality.
 

Ns1

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I was fortunate to have lived close to some of the greatest libraries in North America. I was self educated through high school by librarians who did their best to expose me to the amazing panorama of great works and collections of the country. They taught me how to think, something that almost every regular school teacher managed to miss the mark on.

ah, that would explain our different schools of thought - my librarians sucked so I was self taught by google. well, technically alta-vista.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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All of that is available online. Most of us don't have the luxury of worldwide excursions to look in a one of a kind book(that we probably won't be allowed to see anyway). If you can't get to it, it doesn't exist in practicality.

Wrong, SOME of it is available online. You can get access to a huge amount of material that isn't available online through the library system. You're quite right that if something isn't available on the monitor in front of you, for all practical purposes, it doesn't exist (sad, isn't it?). Gee, if only there was a way to get access. Naw, that would require leaving the basement. Who am I kidding?
 

nageov3t

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reminds me of a friend of mine.

she has her undergrad in English Lit and a masters in Library Science... currently works 4 McJobs to pay the bills, one of which is granted a very entry-level library job (basically half a step above a volunteer).

I keep suggesting that she look into teaching, maybe go Alternate Route or something, but she refuses to even consider anything other than her dream of being a librarian.

hell, I graduated with an English Lit degree intent on going into publishing, saw that print media was dying after I graduated, and after struggling a few months trying to get into the industry, gave up and went the IT route.
 
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Let's see, google or this?


You keep posting that like there's something wrong with it.

She went to college, and then got a master's, while working the same kind of crappy jobs most people work in college. She had an entry level position in her career path, but it didn't pay well and opportunities for advancement didn't happen because the field is both over-saturated and shrinking, so she's waiting tables.

*shrug*

The only mistake she made, imo, was not getting a teaching certification and a media/tech/library license. But that's no big deal - another year of school, tops.
 
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