Girl decides to get the #1 worst degree in the USA, now whines about no jobs.

[lxskllr]

Wrong, SOME of it is available online. You can get access to a huge amount of material that isn't available online through the library system. You're quite right that if something isn't available on the monitor in front of you, for all practical purposes, it doesn't exist (sad, isn't it?). Gee, if only there was a way to get access. Naw, that would require leaving the basement. Who am I kidding?

You don't fuckin' get it. the amount of library information that's within a bike ride of me isn't a pimple on a gnat's ass compared to what I have online. EVERYTHING available at my libraries is available to me in my living room. I don't have the time or money to fly to fuckin' Italy to see a one of a kind book, assuming I even know it's there.

Get it yet? A library isn't some fairyland where every wish comes true. It's limited by standard physics and economics. If I don't have a computer, and it isn't in my library(it probably isn't) IT DOESN'T EXIST.

Sad that I have to explain this to a grown man, isn't it?

Btw, I'm literally 8' away from over 1,000# of books. Those are the ones I deemed interesting enough to keep upstairs. I have another 2,000# in the basement. Guess how often I refer to them...

 

[Jeff7]

The above bolded is pure unadulterated bullshit. Google will never be able to make the kind of connections to legitimate research that trained Librarians can. Huge amounts of information and knowledge are not listed, quoted or. referenced online. In fact, the majority of human knowledge isn't even mentioned in passing online. The ability of the human mind to direct inquiry, integrate seemingly unrelated facts and, broaden the scope of research will NEVER be bettered by Google or any other computer based system. We've had this discussion before, you were woefully ignorant then and apparently haven't learned better since. It must be comforting to have your world view defined and, all possible questions answered by Google and wiki. If idiocracy comes to pass, you have only yourself to blame.

You seem to assume that people regularly make choices that are in their best long-term interests. I haven't got quite as much faith in the masses.

We like to go for quantity rather than quality, and crappy short-term fixes at the expense of the future. Google can give more results more quickly, even if the librarian's assistance would have ended up being more valuable and of far higher quality.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

archiving documents does not sound interesting

It's funny because I build things that archive documents.

 

[Ns1]

You keep posting that like there's something wrong with it.

She went to college, and then got a master's, while working the same kind of crappy jobs most people work in college. She had an entry level position in her career path, but it didn't pay well and opportunities for advancement didn't happen because the field is both over-saturated and shrinking, so she's waiting tables.

*shrug*

The only mistake she made, imo, was not getting a teaching certification and a media/tech/library license. But that's no big deal - another year of school, tops.

I never said there was anything wrong with it, but a "master of information" she clearly is not.

 

[Imp]

You keep posting that like there's something wrong with it.

She went to college, and then got a master's, while working the same kind of crappy jobs most people work in college. She had an entry level position in her career path, but it didn't pay well and opportunities for advancement didn't happen because the field is both over-saturated and shrinking, so she's waiting tables.

*shrug*

The only mistake she made, imo, was not getting a teaching certification and a media/tech/library license. But that's no big deal - another year of school, tops.

That's happening more and more so the hate here is overboard.

 

[BoberFett]

The above bolded is pure unadulterated bullshit. Google will never be able to make the kind of connections to legitimate research that trained Librarians can. Huge amounts of information and knowledge are not listed, quoted or. referenced online. In fact, the majority of human knowledge isn't even mentioned in passing online. The ability of the human mind to direct inquiry, integrate seemingly unrelated facts and, broaden the scope of research will NEVER be bettered by Google or any other computer based system. We've had this discussion before, you were woefully ignorant then and apparently haven't learned better since. It must be comforting to have your world view defined and, all possible questions answered by Google and wiki. If idiocracy comes to pass, you have only yourself to blame.

Not sure if serious...

 

[Hugo Drax]

The Mexican/Cuban/Etc immigrant that comes in with no HS diploma can get the same jobs. I think the better thing would have been if she instead invested the inheritance in VFINX, let it compound.

I still don't get it, did she not at least google that job to see what the chances of employment are?

You would think someone who is interested in Library sciences, would be doing research on her own time regarding job prospects before investing the money in that degree.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

That's happening more and more so the hate here is overboard.

That's why this is one of my favorite graphs.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

You don't fuckin' get it. the amount of library information that's within a bike ride of me isn't a pimple on a gnat's ass compared to what I have online. EVERYTHING available at my libraries is available to me in my living room. I don't have the time or money to fly to fuckin' Italy to see a one of a kind book, assuming I even know it's there.

Get it yet? A library isn't some fairyland where every wish comes true. It's limited by standard physics and economics. If I don't have a computer, and it isn't in my library(it probably isn't) IT DOESN'T EXIST.

Sad that I have to explain this to a grown man, isn't it?

Btw, I'm literally 8' away from over 1,000# of books. Those are the ones I deemed interesting enough to keep upstairs. I have another 2,000# in the basement. Guess how often I refer to them...

Sadly, it sounds like your local libraries have suffered from economic cutbacks by politicians and citizens like yourself with no vision or education in the system of libraries. You don't have to travel to "Italy" or anywhere else, you do have to know something about the loan system and ask the right questions of the librarians who do have access. How said to have your view of the world limited by the technical and commercial interests of yourself and the "intarwebs." Anyone who refers to their library by the pound is clearly using information to the best of their ability.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

The Mexican/Cuban/Etc immigrant that comes in with no HS diploma can get the same jobs. I think the better thing would have been if she instead invested the inheritance in VFINX, let it compound.

I still don't get it, did she not at least google that job to see what the chances of employment are?

You would think someone who is interested in Library sciences, would be doing research on her own time regarding job prospects before investing the money in that degree.

Some of us believe a career is more important than just a paycheck.

 

[BoberFett]

Wrong, SOME of it is available online. You can get access to a huge amount of material that isn't available online through the library system. You're quite right that if something isn't available on the monitor in front of you, for all practical purposes, it doesn't exist (sad, isn't it?). Gee, if only there was a way to get access. Naw, that would require leaving the basement. Who am I kidding?

Unless you're claiming that librarians read every book and periodical that comes out, how are they able to "direct inquiry, integrate seemingly unrelated facts and, broaden the scope of research" better than a computer?

And keep in mind that computers are only getting better at correlating information. The human brain isn't advancing quite so fast...

 

[Hugo Drax]

Some of us believe a career is more important than just a paycheck.

So this career of hers? How do you explain it then?

Because to work those jobs you don't need a college degree. what your saying it's better to get a college degree in library science and work minimum wage jobs?

Why not skip the degree then, invest the money and just work the minimum wage jobs.

 

[lxskllr]

Sadly, it sounds like your local libraries have suffered from economic cutbacks by politicians and citizens like yourself with no vision or education in the system of libraries.

Yea, I'm sure... You must think I'm some kid that was born in the 90s, eh? The libraries have only gotten better since I was a kid, and you what? They're still shit compared to the resources I have online.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

On one hand, when I was in college, I wrote research papers based on dusty old german manuscripts because 1) I can read it, and 2) Inter-Library-Loan.

On the other hand, 99% of the information that 99% of us will ever need is googleable.

The question is, does that make that last 1% unimportant, or really important?

 

[brianmanahan]

It's funny because I build things that archive documents.

that's meta... but it doesn't sound interesting either :awe:

then again, %99 of everything i have ever programmed isn't interesting either D:

 

[Atomic Playboy]

We've had this discussion before, you were woefully ignorant then and apparently haven't learned better since. It must be comforting to have your world view defined and, all possible questions answered by Google and wiki. If idiocracy comes to pass, you have only yourself to blame.

I don't recall having such a discussion with you. I'd attempt to find it, but there's not a qualified librarian with a Master's Degree nearby to assist me, so if you could point me in the right direction, I'd appreciate it.

 

[lxskllr]

The question is, does that make that last 1% unimportant, or really important?

It depends on what it is. There's pure garbage in that 1%, and some gems, just like the 99%. It isn't needed by most people. I'd pretty special if I read .0001% of very best of the 99%. In fact, I'd be a professional academic that did nothing but read. I wonder who'll feed me since I'm not making money?

 

[Imp]

That's why this is one of my favorite graphs.

A relatively recent "state" engineering society study had similar findings. I figured it out by comparing job ads and my engineering class size back in 2005.

 

[brianmanahan]

Some of us believe a career is more important than just a paycheck.

i used to think that way

but after working for 10 years, i realize now that for me, the only reason i still do this crap is to make money

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Unless you're claiming that librarians read every book and periodical that comes out, how are they able to "direct inquiry, integrate seemingly unrelated facts and, broaden the scope of research" better than a computer?

And keep in mind that computers are only getting better at correlating information. The human brain isn't advancing quite so fast...

Here's a starting point. Your librarian can get you more unless you're perfectly happy have commercial interests define your world view. Sadly, way too many 'youts' think a ready answer is preferable to learning how to think. Computers can't think, they regurgitate vast amounts of information very quickly while filing off all the 'serial numbers' and sense of where the 'answer' came from. This, in turn, leads to the perception that facts exist as 'T'ruth when 99.99 percent of everything you know is subjective. Worse, are the technophiles who believe anything but the 'facts' are irrelevant. Fat, ignorant and, online is no way to go through life.

 

[Kadarin]

I briefly dated a librarian/archivist about 5 years ago who worked for Stanford. She claimed to love the work, but her salary was in the 20-30K/yr range. Over the month or so that we dated, ultimately I decided that she was a complete and utter bonehead and ditched the relationship.

 

[Adul]

I have a friend who has a librarian degree works for a mining company and is in charge of their company records. He is doing pretty well for himself.

 

[Capt Caveman]

All of that is available online. Most of us don't have the luxury of worldwide excursions to look in a one of a kind book(that we probably won't be allowed to see anyway). If you can't get to it, it doesn't exist in practicality.

Nope but keep thinking that you can find everything online.

 

[Imp]

I briefly dated a librarian/archivist about 5 years ago who worked for Stanford. She claimed to love the work, but her salary was in the 20-30K/yr range. Over the month or so that we dated, ultimately I decided that she was a complete and utter bonehead and ditched the relationship.

This is juicy shit... More info, please.

 

[Capt Caveman]

archiving documents does not sound interesting

documents that are pieces of history/hundreds of years old isn't for everyone but writing code isn't very interesting either.