Girl decides to get the #1 worst degree in the USA, now whines about no jobs.

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Fox5

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That's why this is one of my favorite graphs.


Except most of those "STEM" jobs are just computer jobs, and most of those computer jobs are web development. They might include IT jobs as well.

Biology degree? Worthless. Physics? Slightly less worthless? Math? Only if you wanna be a teacher. Chemistry? Should have gone into petroleum engineering. STEM is a myth, there's only one field that matters, and that's programming. Not even computer science, just programming and software engineering.
 

norseamd

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Biology degree? Worthless. Physics? Slightly less worthless? Math? Only if you wanna be a teacher. Chemistry? Should have gone into petroleum engineering. STEM is a myth, there's only one field that matters, and that's programming. Not even computer science, just programming and software engineering.

Wow. Looks like my lack of faith in just liberal arts was unfounded. I was so naive to think every STEM job but programming was not worthless.
 

RaistlinZ

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Several people I know all their children are going to college to get "worthless degrees"

My theory is most people don't like school which I understand, and so they are being forced into college because its the thing to do. They will choose the path of least resistance, they figure I will get my degree but hell if I am gonna bust my ass for 4 years getting it.

The whole 100% of young adults need to go to college or else needs to end. We need to get back basics.

The girl in the video was upset because "she did what she was supposed to do" Obviously she was made to go to college right after high school and I suspect she tried to take the past of least resistance.

I agree. She didn't do what she was supposed to do. What she was supposed to do was acquire marketable skills with a degree that would provide her options. She chose Library Science instead.

Someone pointed out the irony that research is the foundation of her degree, yet she didn't do any research of her own before pursuing such a worthless degree in the first place.

 
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BoberFett

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You can't use software to commoditize things where the constraint is that a live person does it because the law says a person has to do it. Low value-add bullshit legal work perhaps, but you can't automate a corporate counsel giving a professional legal opinion for example.

For now. Eventually even the most protectionist politicians will be forced to keep their clogs on and stop holding back progress.
 

BoberFett

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Until there's an advancement in AI, humans will still need to do the analysis work. Unless you're one of those folks that thinks we can just Monte Carlo simulation the best solution somehow, companies are way too risk adverse to leave the final business decision to machines.

Really?

Someone should tell the financial world that their nanosecond trades aren't as good as a stock broker...
 

BoberFett

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Have you actually worked with principals doing blue sky work where the objective (and sometimes even the problem space) hasn't been defined yet? You never, ever get something packaged so neatly that you can simply type in a search string to Google and have it spit out a result. Most of the time what you get asked about is barely a concept, much less something that an automated tool can do something with. Hell, most of the time when we start getting doing research the principals can barely articulate what their business need is. I can't tell you the number of times where I've been told "just build me something cool" or "how can I tell you what I need before I have the tool to start formulating my concept?"

What percentage of jobs are you talking about? How many jobs are TRULY creative?
 

glenn1

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Really?

Someone should tell the financial world that their nanosecond trades aren't as good as a stock broker...

Yeah, because every business decision is like looking for a trade to front run and arbitraging between markets. You wake me up when you can automate more typical high level business guidance like "improve our internal controls while not reducing customer satisfaction metrics." We'll probably all be long dead before computers can autonomously handle anything but the stupidest tasks where the business rules could be written by a high school student. Until then you're simply front-end loading the work to the planning and analysis stage so that it can hopefully be done in automation in business-as-usual where you'll save time from having peons do repetitive crap work. To save ten peon FTE positions you'll need to hire a business process manager who costs five times as much and needs a staff of programmers, business analysts, and project managers to support her.
 

BoberFett

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Yeah, because every business decision is like looking for a trade to front run and arbitraging between markets. You wake me up when you can automate more typical high level business guidance like "improve our internal controls while not reducing customer satisfaction metrics." We'll probably all be long dead before computers can autonomously handle anything but the stupidest tasks where the business rules could be written by a high school student. Until then you're simply front-end loading the work to the planning and analysis stage so that it can hopefully be done in automation in business-as-usual where you'll save time from having peons do repetitive crap work. To save ten peon FTE positions you'll need to hire a business process manager who costs five times as much and needs a staff of programmers, business analysts, and project managers to support her.

What percentage of jobs are you talking about? How many jobs are TRULY creative?

You are so ridiculously short-sighted it's hard to respond.
 

glenn1

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What percentage of jobs are you talking about? How many jobs are TRULY creative?

You are so ridiculously short-sighted it's hard to respond.

In the end they will all be creative else they have no point. Your complaints about other work not being value add doesn't make me "short sighted," it means you are trying to solve the wrong problem. Again.
 

BoberFett

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In the end they will all be creative else they have no point. Your complaints about other work not being value add doesn't make me "short sighted," it means you are trying to solve the wrong problem. Again.

Jesus H Christ, not this shit again. 95% of Americans do jobs that will be replaced by "intelligent enough" computers and robots. If you believe that's not a problem for our current economic system, then you're simply an idiot.
 

Slew Foot

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Some of us believe a career is more important than just a paycheck.

That was before businesses became ran by sociopathic asshole MBAs who probably have never worked in the field that their company is in and dont even have an onsite office. As long as there is someone out there who can do 20% of your job for 90% of the cost, your ass is gone. If problems come up, thats for next quarter to solve.
 

norseamd

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Jesus H Christ, not this shit again. 95% of Americans do jobs that will be replaced by "intelligent enough" computers and robots. If you believe that's not a problem for our current economic system, then you're simply an idiot.

Hence the fact that there is going to actually be a drive to make utopias work. When or where there is a need there is a way.
 

Braznor

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Bad pome I know.
 
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Leyawiin

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You can lambaste her for the degree choice, but there are very few "safe" choices any more. Accounting/Tax work, Finance, IT/Programming, R&D... you name it. They're all being outsourced to India, the Philippines, China and others. Seems like if you're not actually getting your hands dirty in a medical job working directly with patient care the future can be pretty iffy.
 

Puppies04

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I know about a about a dozen people with graphics design degrees who never worked a day in their field. A couple of them that are working in graphic design were forced to take jobs that pay poorly and that they absolutely hate. One is working for a Christian magazine and I think he will one day snap and slaughter everyone in the office.


Are these the same people that try to quote you $250 /hour when you try to throw work their way?
 

Mai72

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Imagine when actors like Brad Pitt, Will Smith, Jerry Seinfeld and many more were chasing their dream. I'm sure they heard from their friends and family that acting was very competitive. That Hollywood was filled with unemployed people all pursuing the same goal. That they were nuts for even trying. That they should find something safe to do as a career. That they should take a safe job even though they hate it. Why? Because it is safe.

There is no such thing as safe. You go after your dream NOW because who knows what's going to happen tomorrow. I read in the local news the other day that a 28 year old man was killed because his car hit a patch of black ice, and he lost control and died. 28 years old with a wife and 2 babies. He had a good job. A so called "secure job" with the city. Now, he's dead.

Finally, how many people are working at a job that they absolutely hate? I would say many are working at jobs that they hate. Dying a slow death inside. Counting the days to retirement to only die from cancer or a heart attack. My mom was 65 when she passed away. Security is mostly a superstition, because life is very unpredictable.

This girl will get it together and she will find what works for her.
 

Mai72

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You can lambaste her for the degree choice, but there are very few "safe" choices any more. Accounting/Tax work, Finance, IT/Programming, R&D... you name it. They're all being outsourced to India, the Philippines, China and others. Seems like if you're not actually getting your hands dirty in a medical job working directly with patient care the future can be pretty iffy.
Even the teaching field which was considered a "safe career" has taken a beating in recent years. At least in NJ we have seen teacher lay offs and the pension debacle with governor Christie.

I truly believe that we are headed into uncharted territory.
 
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