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lxskllr

No Lifer
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Nope but keep thinking that you can find everything online.

Pretty much everything I /need/ is online, both reference, and entertainment. Only a retard would literally translate "everything" in this discussion. Everything is a close enough description for a human that can only process limited amounts of information.
 

brianmanahan

Lifer
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documents that are pieces of history/hundreds of years old isn't for everyone but writing code isn't very interesting either.

yeah, thats true

actually, i would prefer working with old artifacts more than slinging code, if i could make similar money doing it

been getting into coins that are hundreds or thousands of years old and they fascinate me
 

BoberFett

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Here's a starting point. Your librarian can get you more unless you're perfectly happy have commercial interests define your world view. Sadly, way too many 'youts' think a ready answer is preferable to learning how to think. Computers can't think, they regurgitate vast amounts of information very quickly while filing off all the 'serial numbers' and sense of where the 'answer' came from. This, in turn, leads to the perception that facts exist as 'T'ruth when 99.99 percent of everything you know is subjective. Worse, are the technophiles who believe anything but the 'facts' are irrelevant. Fat, ignorant and, online is no way to go through life.

Ah, so this isn't really about technology and outmoded careers, it's just an anti-corporate rant.

How do you know that a librarian isn't slanting what they give you based on their personal biases?
 

BoberFett

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For full disclosure, just a bit of info on me:

I worked for a startup many years ago, a computerized legal research provider. We were a very highly regarded company in our market. In addition to writing one of the releases of our flagship product, I oversaw a project to digitize hundreds upon hundreds of Westlaw volumes using state-of-the-art scanning, OCR, and verification software. Prior to computers, legal research was an arcane, time consuming process limited to those who had weeks on end to sit in a library going through dusty books. Computers put the law into everyone's hands, it no longer belongs to the high priests of knowledge who have the luxury of spending all their time with their noses in books.

The printing press and increased literacy are at least partially responsible for democracy as we know it. Computers level the playing field even further. The human mind can barely grasp the amount of information being created today, let alone know how to make use of it. That requires technology. If all a librarian does is facilitate the use of technology, eventually that function will be computerized as well. Maybe by this guy:

 

lxskllr

No Lifer
Nov 30, 2004
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The printing press and increased literacy are at least partially responsible for democracy as we know it.

Nonsense! All the information laid down by the bards, and the sagas told around the fire are the only way to get information. Printed books are for the lazy.
 

BoberFett

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Nonsense! All the information laid down by the bards, and the sagas told around the fire are the only way to get information. Printed books are for the lazy.

If librarians all started dressing like they were at the RenFaire and learned to play the lute, I'd probably be more inclined to support the profession.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

IN MEMORIAM
Jun 19, 2004
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If librarians all started dressing like they were at the RenFaire and learned to play the lute, I'd probably be more inclined to support the profession.

If Bobber didn't try to generalize from one very specific and limited form of research to the wider world, I might give his opinion greater weight. You seem to think enough baby steps in computer science will eventually replace the intelligent application of the human computer. While you have a great deal of company in these forums, you're all wrong.

No matter how great the fervent hopes of basement dwellers across the globe are who yearn for the halcyon days of never having to interact directly with another human being while, having every fantasy delivered directly to their brain by fiber optic implants, believes it to be the ultimate freedom, those of us who can still think will tuck you in, wipe the drool from your mouth and, go on building real accomplishments while you dream.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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You seem to think enough baby steps in computer science will eventually replace the intelligent application of the human computer. While you have a great deal of company in these forums, you're all wrong.

 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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Do you actually think knowing the answer to a question is equivalent to knowing what question to ask or, how to apply the answer?

nope, but I do think with enough baby steps computer science will eventually replace the intelligent application of the human computer
 

BoberFett

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If Bobber didn't try to generalize from one very specific and limited form of research to the wider world, I might give his opinion greater weight. You seem to think enough baby steps in computer science will eventually replace the intelligent application of the human computer. While you have a great deal of company in these forums, you're all wrong.

So my experience on computerized research doesn't cut it? What's yours tough guy?

No matter how great the fervent hopes of basement dwellers across the globe are who yearn for the halcyon days of never having to interact directly with another human being while, having every fantasy delivered directly to their brain by fiber optic implants, believes it to be the ultimate freedom, those of us who can still think will tuck you in, wipe the drool from your mouth and, go on building real accomplishments while you dream.

When you don't have facts, fall back to stamping your feet like a child.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

IN MEMORIAM
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nope, but I do think with enough baby steps computer science will eventually replace the intelligent application of the human computer

You seem to think human computing has something to do with wires and code, 1's and 0's. Computer science will always be limited to the parameters input by programmers. Programmers can't even relate to family, women or, a world without electronic technology and you think they can create something greater than themselves? OTOH, if there's a chance for true AI (which I don't believe there is) it'll be Liberal Arts major who does it.
 

Jeff7

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If Bobber didn't try to generalize from one very specific and limited form of research to the wider world, I might give his opinion greater weight. You seem to think enough baby steps in computer science will eventually replace the intelligent application of the human computer. While you have a great deal of company in these forums, you're all wrong.

No matter how great the fervent hopes of basement dwellers across the globe are who yearn for the halcyon days of never having to interact directly with another human being while, having every fantasy delivered directly to their brain by fiber optic implants, believes it to be the ultimate freedom, those of us who can still think will tuck you in, wipe the drool from your mouth and, go on building real accomplishments while you dream.
Sure, why not? We're organic computers that use cells to store and process information. I very much doubt that that is the best possible way of making an intelligent entity, and I certainly hope that we are not the most intelligent things that will ever come from this planet.



You seem to think human computing has something to do with wires and code, 1's and 0's.
Emergent properties.

Your brain is a bunch of cells, exchanging and storing information by forming connections and exchanging chemicals. We tend to look at a brain as something more, something supremely special, but it's still just a bunch of cells doing simple things. Our intelligence is an emergent property of that collection, a nice accident that happened when our brains became absurdly large and capable when compared to anything else that came about in nature.

Our brains can store exceptionally elaborate models of our environment, and included in that model is knowledge of its own existence - self-awareness. We also discovered a cheat-code that no other animal regularly uses: Written symbolic language. It allowed us to overcome the hurdle of death's destruction of accumulated experience and information. We were able to use that to build and disseminate knowledge, generation after generation, and amass an extraordinary amount of technological capability.


I don't see a good reason that an artificial computer system couldn't accomplish the same thing, once given adequate resources for processing, data storage, and flexibility.



Computer science will always be limited to the parameters input by programmers. Programmers can't even relate to family, women or, a world without electronic technology and you think they can create something greater than themselves? OTOH, if there's a chance for true AI (which I don't believe there is) it'll be Liberal Arts major who does it.
Oh, right, I forgot. Programmers and computer scientists are all borderline sociopaths.



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DCal430

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She needs to get a teaching credentialcredential. Many states require this for school librarians.
 

DCal430

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She needs to file a complaint with the union and state board or department of education. they are having her do the work of a credential teacher, without the proper training or certification. It is illegal and a violation of union contract.
 
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She needs to file a complaint with the union and state board or department of education. they are having her do the work of a credential teacher, without the proper training or certification. It is illegal and a violation of union contract.

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There is no hope for people like yourself....
 

Fenixgoon

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Why do you need a degree to work in a library in the first place?

it isn't just about learning the dewey decimal system. it's about learning how to archive and retrieve information in a cogent, coherent, and searchable manner.

the librarian at my university was smart as shit. he was a great guy and would help you find exactly what you were looking for.
 
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