Girl dies after shooting herself while reaching for candy in grandmother’s purse

[xthetenth]

I really like the california approved grip on that by the way.

 

[Zorba]

Luckily accidents never happen to responsible gun owners. Only the irresponsible ones.....

The problem is they are all responsible in their own eyes.

I doubt that is going to prevent these kinds of incidents.

It being in the media will bring far more awareness than her giving a couple of talks at an NRA event where everyone is just thinking "Dumb bitch, that'd never happen to me." Throw her ass in jail for awhile, then you talk about her case at way more safety events than she could ever attend in person.

But a girl lost her life because of her extreme carelessness, would you also support no punishment if someone had ran her over while drinking?

It doesn't do that. It does the opposite. It adds to the idea that liberals are out to get them and take away their rights.

Punishments need to be viewed as just to act as a deterrent.

I thought the point of my post was that she needed to be punished to act as a deterrent. I don't think even that many gun nutters would think that her being punished was "liberals trying to take away her gun."

 

[Puffnstuff]

This has already been done

Oh yeah you can feel the love in that kit. Its the cat's meow.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I really like the california approved grip on that by the way.

They should just mount a dildo on it for a grip that way it wouldn't be a pistol grip and everyone can be a dick with it.

 

[shortylickens]

The problem is they are all responsible in their own eyes.



It being in the media will bring far more awareness than her giving a couple of talks at an NRA event where everyone is just thinking "Dumb bitch, that'd never happen to me." Throw her ass in jail for awhile, then you talk about her case at way more safety events than she could ever attend in person.

But a girl lost her life because of her extreme carelessness, would you also support no punishment if someone had ran her over while drinking?



I thought the point of my post was that she needed to be punished to act as a deterrent. I don't think even that many gun nutters would think that her being punished was "liberals trying to take away her gun."

If jail is a deterrent to crime how come we have so much crime?

 

[HomerJS]

Nothing could have been done to prevent this.

I'll assume this isn't /s

If that woman had to pass a competency test it would have been far less likely she stores a loaded gun in her purse with a 4 year old in the house.

 

[interchange]

I thought the point of my post was that she needed to be punished to act as a deterrent. I don't think even that many gun nutters would think that her being punished was "liberals trying to take away her gun."

The effects of this are unmeasurable, so unfortunately this can only be an academic discussion. My suspicion is that people farther on the spectrum of liberal conspiracy will take this as evidence of it, but most people will be unaffected wholly with the punishment as a deterrent. Simply hearing a personal story that you might accidentally kill your loved one by leaving a loaded gun unattended provides any deterrent that is possibly. However, many will still be unaffected, because they feel that this story couldn't happen to them in the first place.

 

[shortylickens]

I'll assume this isn't /s

I that woman had to pass a competency test it would have been far less likely she stores a loaded gun in her purse with a 4 year old in the house.

I think Americans need a written test every 10 years to keep handguns. And it needs to be a REAL test. The kind you will fail. The kind you gotta study for just to have a chance. Make people earn it. Make people fuckin appreciate it.

Also:
Since cars kill way more humans than guns kill humans, you need to take a written test every 5 years and a road test every 10 years. Again, it needs to be thorough. The kind you'll probably fail unless you make a real effort to study and practice. Yes, it will probably unfairly affect seniors, but better that than a bunch of dumbasses driving around long after they are seriously dangerous.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I'll assume this isn't /s

I that woman had to pass a competency test it would have been far less likely she stores a loaded gun in her purse with a 4 year old in the house.

Some people aren't smart enough to think around an issue for themselves and need someone else to help them think the matter through. Think of it as performing a risk assessment. Walking a person through different possibilities might possibly jog their memories and serve as an incentive to identify possible outcomes to a particular action before they actually commit to them.

 

[interchange]

I think Americans need a written test every 10 years to keep handguns. And it needs to be a REAL test. The kind you will fail. The kind you gotta study for just to have a chance. Make people earn it. Make people fuckin appreciate it.

Also:
Since cars kill way more humans than guns kill humans, you need to take a written test every 5 years and a road test every 10 years. Again, it needs to be thorough. The kind you'll probably fail unless you make a real effort to study and practice. Yes, it will probably unfairly affect seniors, but better that than a bunch of dumbasses driving around long after they are seriously dangerous.

I like this intervention, although "shall not be abridged" is the language in the second amendment. Obviously other limits to gun ownership exist, so perhaps that isn't a barrier.

 

[Paratus]

The problem is they are all responsible in their own eyes.

That's the joke and a bitter one it is.

 

[shortylickens]

I like this intervention, although "shall not be abridged" is the language in the service amendment. Obviously other limits to gun ownership exist, so perhaps that isn't a barrier.

Good point. And when they used written tests to keep people from voting that was determined to be unconstitutional.

 

[HomerJS]

I think Americans need a written test every 10 years to keep handguns. And it needs to be a REAL test. The kind you will fail. The kind you gotta study for just to have a chance. Make people earn it. Make people fuckin appreciate it.

Also:
Since cars kill way more humans than guns kill humans, you need to take a written test every 5 years and a road test every 10 years. Again, it needs to be thorough. The kind you'll probably fail unless you make a real effort to study and practice. Yes, it will probably unfairly affect seniors, but better that than a bunch of dumbasses driving around long after they are seriously dangerous.

Absofuckingloutly to both

 

[Zorba]

If jail is a deterrent to crime how come we have so much crime?

Is there really "so much crime?" Especially if you throw out drugs?

How many people would be out robbing banks right now if there was no punishment? I sure as hell would drive a lot faster if there was no punishment. The idea that because not everyone is deterred by punishment, nobody is, is a liberal fantasy.

 

[interchange]

Is there really "so much crime?" Especially if you throw out drugs?

How many people would be out robbing banks right now if there was no punishment? I sure as hell would drive a lot faster if there was no punishment. The idea that because not everyone is deterred by punishment, nobody is, is a liberal fantasy.

I never said punishment is not a deterrent. Just punishment is indeed a deterrent. Punishment also makes a whole lot more sense for acts of commission rather than omission (negligence). Also, the woman and her family clearly have already received a severe punishment -- just not a criminal one.

 

[uallas5]

I thought the point of my post was that she needed to be punished to act as a deterrent. I don't think even that many gun nutters would think that her being punished was "liberals trying to take away her gun."

If they can think Sandyhook was a "False Flag" this would even be an easier stretch than that.

 

[Sonikku]

That girl be eatin' Reese's in heaven now.

 

[preCRT]

Grandma needs to be in jail. She was too stupid to own a gun.

No way she should be left to teach gun safety since she was too stupid to understand basics about childproofing a house that had regular visits from a small child.

Lock her up!

 

[JSt0rm]

I never said punishment is not a deterrent. Just punishment is indeed a deterrent. Punishment also makes a whole lot more sense for acts of commission rather than omission (negligence). Also, the woman and her family clearly have already received a severe punishment -- just not a criminal one.

Im sure they wish they never decided to be pro gun. What we need is real education about the actual risks of gun ownership and how owning a firearm actually makes you less safe in modern society.

 

[1sikbITCH]

I doubt that is going to prevent these kinds of incidents.

Nope. The last 10,000 cases where children picked up a gun by accident and the people went to jail didn't change anything either. Another kid is probably blowing his brains out as you read this.

Hell the VP of the US accidentally shot someone in the face and we just laughed and reloaded. If you want to live in America you learn to put up with shootings. All part of the program.

 

[1sikbITCH]

Is there really "so much crime?" Especially if you throw out drugs?

How many people would be out robbing banks right now if there was no punishment? I sure as hell would drive a lot faster if there was no punishment. The idea that because not everyone is deterred by punishment, nobody is, is a liberal fantasy.

I don't think that many people would start robbing banks just because there were no legal consequences. Most of us have a moral compass that tells us right and wrong. You're saying the only thing that stops you personally from being a criminal is that you're afraid of the jail time. I don't think most folks are born criminals.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Thief, good shoot.

Ummm, no. I'm very pro 2nd amendment and very pro responsible gun ownership. That is seriously NOT funny.

 

[JSt0rm]

Ummm, no. I'm very pro 2nd amendment and very pro responsible gun ownership. That is seriously NOT funny.

See when you classify people as "responsible gunowners" you begin the thought process of segmenting gun owners and then you move into the no true scotsman fallacy. Be careful.

 

[Puffnstuff]

"responsible gunowners"

The responsible ones hide their guns in the cookie jar with the chips ahoy's rather than in plain sight on the coffee table with their monthly subscription to the 700 club right?

 

[zinfamous]

Ummm, no. I'm very pro 2nd amendment and very pro responsible gun ownership. That is seriously NOT funny.

your seriousness is duly noted.


meanwhile, kids keep dying because of this. But I'm glad you find this serious enough.