Girl sues Newark police after she was handcuffed for taping an arrest from a city bus

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Consider what happened to Khaliah Fitchette. Last year, Fitchette, who was 16 at the time, was riding a city bus in Newark, N.J., when two police officers got on to deal with a man who seemed to be drunk. Fitchette decided this would be a good moment to take out her phone and start recording.

"One of the officers told me to turn off my phone, because I was recording them," she said. "I said no. And then she grabbed me and pulled me off the bus to the cop car, which was behind the bus."

The police erased the video from Fitchette's phone. She was handcuffed and spent the next two hours in the back of a squad car before she was released. No charges were filed.

Fitchette is suing the Newark Police Department for violating her civil rights. The New Jersey chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union helped bring the lawsuit.

http://www.npr.org/2011/05/13/136171366/this-is-the-police-put-down-your-camera
 

Lifted

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Wow, deleted the video from her phone. That's beyond searching without a warrant. Destruction of private property?
 

DrPizza

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Unless I'm mistaken, it hasn't been established in all 50 states that it's legal to record police officers. And, I think at least one state made it a law barring such recordings - that has yet to make it through the court system where imho, it'll be struck down as unconstitutional. So, unless it's been established whether it's legal or not in NJ, this case will set the precedent for that state. (I hope she wins.)
 

M0RPH

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Appalling behavior by cops yet again. She will win money, it's just too bad that they can't take the money out of the paychecks of the cops involved.
 

Newbian

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Wow, deleted the video from her phone. That's beyond searching without a warrant. Destruction of private property?

In a few states it is legal for cops to seize cell phones without a warrant.
 
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Unless I'm mistaken, it hasn't been established in all 50 states that it's legal to record police officers. And, I think at least one state made it a law barring such recordings - that has yet to make it through the court system where imho, it'll be struck down as unconstitutional. So, unless it's been established whether it's legal or not in NJ, this case will set the precedent for that state. (I hope she wins.)

Yeah, but I think that the majority have either ruled it is legal OR it's in a legal grey area.
 

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In a few states it is legal for cops to seize cell phones without a warrant.

and illegal to record the police

Today Indiana Supreme Court said the police can enter anywhere at will without a warrant

5-13-2011

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/...lice-entry-20110513,0,1713312.story?track=rss

No right to resist 'unlawful police entry'



The Indiana Supreme Court has ruled that people cannot keep police from entering their homes, even if the entry is "unlawful."

"We believe. . .a right to resist an unlawful police entry into a home is against public policy and is incompatible with modern Fourth Amendment jurisprudence," wrote Justice Steven David. "We also find that allowing resistance unnecessarily escalates the level of violence and therefore the risk of injuries to all parties involved without preventing the arrest."

David said a person arrested following an unlawful entry by police can still be released on bail and has other opportunities to protest the entry through the court system.

In a 3-2 decision, the court held there are valid reasons for police officers to enter homes without a warrant and without knocking

Justices Robert Rucker and Brent Dickson dissented, saying the court's decision runs counter to the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

"In my view the majority sweeps with far too broad a brush by essentially telling Indiana citizens that government agents may now enter their homes illegally -- that is, without the necessity of a warrant, consent or exigent circumstances," Rucker said. "I disagree."
 

Lifted

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In a few states it is legal for cops to seize cell phones without a warrant.

You agree there is a difference between seizing a phone and deleting the contents of it. Yes?

I also do not believe NJ is one of those states.
 

PlasmaBomb

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and illegal to record the police

Today Indiana Supreme Court said the police can enter anywhere at will without a warrant

5-13-2011

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/...lice-entry-20110513,0,1713312.story?track=rss

No right to resist 'unlawful police entry'



The Indiana Supreme Court has ruled that people cannot keep police from entering their homes, even if the entry is "unlawful."

"We believe. . .a right to resist an unlawful police entry into a home is against public policy and is incompatible with modern Fourth Amendment jurisprudence," wrote Justice Steven David. "We also find that allowing resistance unnecessarily escalates the level of violence and therefore the risk of injuries to all parties involved without preventing the arrest."

David said a person arrested following an unlawful entry by police can still be released on bail and has other opportunities to protest the entry through the court system.

In a 3-2 decision, the court held there are valid reasons for police officers to enter homes without a warrant and without knocking

Justices Robert Rucker and Brent Dickson dissented, saying the court's decision runs counter to the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

"In my view the majority sweeps with far too broad a brush by essentially telling Indiana citizens that government agents may now enter their homes illegally -- that is, without the necessity of a warrant, consent or exigent circumstances," Rucker said. "I disagree."

And neckbeard believes rape is preferential to murder... your beliefs don't necessarily make you right...
 

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Unless I'm mistaken, it hasn't been established in all 50 states that it's legal to record police officers. And, I think at least one state made it a law barring such recordings - that has yet to make it through the court system where imho, it'll be struck down as unconstitutional. So, unless it's been established whether it's legal or not in NJ, this case will set the precedent for that state. (I hope she wins.)

Established how? As in determining if an existing law states it is illegal?

Do you know of any laws that state that, other than in Chicago?
 

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Disobeying an order from a police officer usually never ends well for the person in question.
 

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and illegal to record the police

Today Indiana Supreme Court said the police can enter anywhere at will without a warrant

5-13-2011

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/...lice-entry-20110513,0,1713312.story?track=rss

No right to resist 'unlawful police entry'



The Indiana Supreme Court has ruled that people cannot keep police from entering their homes, even if the entry is "unlawful."

"We believe. . .a right to resist an unlawful police entry into a home is against public policy and is incompatible with modern Fourth Amendment jurisprudence," wrote Justice Steven David. "We also find that allowing resistance unnecessarily escalates the level of violence and therefore the risk of injuries to all parties involved without preventing the arrest."

David said a person arrested following an unlawful entry by police can still be released on bail and has other opportunities to protest the entry through the court system.

In a 3-2 decision, the court held there are valid reasons for police officers to enter homes without a warrant and without knocking

Justices Robert Rucker and Brent Dickson dissented, saying the court's decision runs counter to the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

"In my view the majority sweeps with far too broad a brush by essentially telling Indiana citizens that government agents may now enter their homes illegally -- that is, without the necessity of a warrant, consent or exigent circumstances," Rucker said. "I disagree."

Who is this lunatic judge? Appeal this shit please!
 

JTsyo

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If the cops are in public, they should be taped like anyone else there. How is this even considered an issue?
 

Lifted

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If the cops are in public, they should be taped like anyone else there. How is this even considered an issue?

Exactly.

If I have security cameras around my property, and the cops perform some work in their view, can they come in and erase the cameras, or order me to turn off the recording? How can filming from a distance with a portable camera be considered any different unless there is an existing law that states as much?
 

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and illegal to record the police

Today Indiana Supreme Court said the police can enter anywhere at will without a warrant

5-13-2011

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/...lice-entry-20110513,0,1713312.story?track=rss

No right to resist 'unlawful police entry'



The Indiana Supreme Court has ruled that people cannot keep police from entering their homes, even if the entry is "unlawful."

"We believe. . .a right to resist an unlawful police entry into a home is against public policy and is incompatible with modern Fourth Amendment jurisprudence," wrote Justice Steven David. "We also find that allowing resistance unnecessarily escalates the level of violence and therefore the risk of injuries to all parties involved without preventing the arrest."

David said a person arrested following an unlawful entry by police can still be released on bail and has other opportunities to protest the entry through the court system.

In a 3-2 decision, the court held there are valid reasons for police officers to enter homes without a warrant and without knocking

Justices Robert Rucker and Brent Dickson dissented, saying the court's decision runs counter to the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

"In my view the majority sweeps with far too broad a brush by essentially telling Indiana citizens that government agents may now enter their homes illegally -- that is, without the necessity of a warrant, consent or exigent circumstances," Rucker said. "I disagree."

Me thinks the some inside bribery going on here. How in the hell can you let police do an unlawful entry. This is fucked up.
 

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I hope she wins and she gets a judgement big enough to send a message to cops all across the country that they aren't above the law and they can't just take away peoples rights whenever they feel like it. Besides, if they did their jobs the way they were supposed to, there shouldn't be anything for them to have to worry about.
 

lxskllr

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In a few states it is legal for cops to seize cell phones without a warrant.

And download data on the spot. If I ever get a smart phone, the first thing I'm doing is encrypting it. Constitutional rights are being whittled, and sometimes hacked away with disturbing frequency these last bunch of years. Make those fucks work for their infringements.
 
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