Giuliani billed taxpayers for trips to the Hamptons

[chowderhead]

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As New York mayor, Rudy Giuliani billed obscure city agencies for tens of thousands of dollars in security expenses amassed during the time when he was beginning an extramarital relationship with future wife Judith Nathan in the Hamptons, according to previously undisclosed government records.

The documents, obtained by Politico under New York?s Freedom of Information Law, show that the mayoral costs had nothing to do with the functions of the little-known city offices that defrayed his tabs, including agencies responsible for regulating loft apartments, aiding the disabled and providing lawyers for indigent defendants.

At the time, the mayor?s office refused to explain the accounting to city auditors, citing ?security.?

But American Express bills and travel documents obtained by Politico suggest another reason City Hall may have considered the documents sensitive: They detail three summers of visits to Southampton, the Long Island town where Nathan had an apartment.

Receipts show him in Southampton every weekend in August and the first weekend in September of 2001, before the terror attacks of Sept. 11 disrupted the routines of his city.

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I guess the mayor needs protection and security 24/7 so the costs are justified even if they weren't necessarily for official business. Billing them to some obscure agency is wrong however as someone probably wanted to hide these charges. It's also interesting to see where Giuliani was spending his time and energy right before 9/11.

 

[LegendKiller]

The guy is a crooked RINO, what's so surprising. Every NY'er I know hates the guy. He's only sold the facade to ignorant people in the US.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

But... but Clinton... !

 

[StageLeft]

I'm telling you this guy is fvcking evil. PLEASE vote any other republican in besides this maniac.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: chowderhead
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As New York mayor, Rudy Giuliani billed obscure city agencies for tens of thousands of dollars in security expenses amassed during the time when he was beginning an extramarital relationship with future wife Judith Nathan in the Hamptons, according to previously undisclosed government records.

The documents, obtained by Politico under New York?s Freedom of Information Law, show that the mayoral costs had nothing to do with the functions of the little-known city offices that defrayed his tabs, including agencies responsible for regulating loft apartments, aiding the disabled and providing lawyers for indigent defendants.

At the time, the mayor?s office refused to explain the accounting to city auditors, citing ?security.?

But American Express bills and travel documents obtained by Politico suggest another reason City Hall may have considered the documents sensitive: They detail three summers of visits to Southampton, the Long Island town where Nathan had an apartment.

Receipts show him in Southampton every weekend in August and the first weekend in September of 2001, before the terror attacks of Sept. 11 disrupted the routines of his city.

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I guess the mayor needs protection and security 24/7 so the costs are justified even if they weren't necessarily for official business. Billing them to some obscure agency is wrong however as someone probably wanted to hide these charges. It's also interesting to see where Giuliani was spending his time and energy right before 9/11.

WTF good is it to be King of NYC if you can't take advantage of it?

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: chowderhead
I guess the mayor needs protection and security 24/7 so the costs are justified even if they weren't necessarily for official business. Billing them to some obscure agency is wrong however as someone probably wanted to hide these charges. It's also interesting to see where Giuliani was spending his time and energy right before 9/11.

Could be an attempt to hide them. Could also be some pretty standard "budget juggling".

Cities/governments have some pretty weird accounting rules/practices. Basically you wanna zero-out any amounts in funds (accounts for different departments etc) before year-end or face undesirable consequences (e.g., budget reduction).

Depending how this plays out in the media, could be bad for Rudy. If it IS security expenses for weekend trips to a different part of NYC (IIRC The Hamptons is in Long island, one of the borroughs) shouldn't be a big deal.

But if it's seen as taxpayer funding of extra-marital shenigans could be viewed as "corruption" etc.

Fern

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
But... but Clinton... !

Would give him a run for his money eh?

 

[tomywishbone]

That's what he gets, for chasing all the hookers out of Times Square.

 

[Narmer]

Considering that Bernard Kerik's mother was a whore (link), perhaps his Police Commissioner was taking him to see family.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Narmer
Considering that Bernard Kerik's mother was a whore (link), perhaps his Police Commissioner was taking him to see family.

Rudy keeps the best friends!

 

[Fern]

OK, the spinning began last night.

I saw one journalist/commentator characterize these expenditures as "travel expenses" for Rudy to see his ho. Did not mention that they were for security.

Chris Matthews slapped them down pretty quick. So this may not get much traction now.

Fern

 

[OutHouse]

FDR did it so everybody should be able to.

 

[Pabster]

So 9/11 is a crook. Tell me something new.

That said, if billing personal expenses to government were really a crime, we'd boot the whole damn lot out. (Not a bad idea....)

 

[piasabird]

Most CEO's spend the stockholder's money the same way.

 

[chowderhead]

Giuliani's Mistress Used N.Y. Police as Taxi Service

Mayor Rudy Giuliani provided a police driver and city car for his mistress Judith Nathan, former senior city officials tell the Blotter on ABCNews.com. "She used the PD as her personal taxi service," said one former city official who worked for Giuliani.

More information coming out about Rudy Giuliani and his use of taxpayer money.
I wonder what voters in the Republican primaries think about
This is just the tip of the iceberg. I think Rudy's got a lot more skeletons in the closet that the other candidates will definitely exploit.

 

[nageov3t]

the mayor of the largest city in the country requires security.

in and of itself, that doesn't seem all that remarkable.

why it was billed to multiple departments... idk.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: loki8481
the mayor of the largest city in the country requires security.

in and of itself, that doesn't seem all that remarkable.

why it was billed to multiple departments... idk.

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Of course de Mayor requires expensive security. He sure would not want to let the public to find out that he is having extramarital affairs on the taxpayer dime instead of doing his job as Mayor of NYC.

And now it looks like Rudy did not spend enough on security. Because his cover was blown and the taxpayers of NYC and the American people are not amused about Rudy's family values and integrity.

But its seems to me that a better man than Guiliani could capture the female vote by romancing a sufficiently large number of them. Rudy's problem is that all his former wives
now consider him such a scoundrel that they are very motivated to vote against him. Thereby losing the female vote that a better man like Ben Franklin could capture by being that lovable rouge.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: loki8481
the mayor of the largest city in the country requires security.

in and of itself, that doesn't seem all that remarkable.

Of course de Mayor requires expensive security. He sure would not want to let the public to find out that he is having extramarital affairs on the taxpayer dime instead of doing his job as Mayor of NYC.

that's some amazingly asinine and circular logic.

public officials have private lives. you may or may not approve of what they do when they're off the clock, but the mayor of NYC doesn't stop being the mayor of NYC at 6 pm and his security needs don't change.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: chowderhead
I guess the mayor needs protection and security 24/7 so the costs are justified even if they weren't necessarily for official business. Billing them to some obscure agency is wrong however as someone probably wanted to hide these charges. It's also interesting to see where Giuliani was spending his time and energy right before 9/11.

Could be an attempt to hide them. Could also be some pretty standard "budget juggling".

Cities/governments have some pretty weird accounting rules/practices. Basically you wanna zero-out any amounts in funds (accounts for different departments etc) before year-end or face undesirable consequences (e.g., budget reduction).

Depending how this plays out in the media, could be bad for Rudy. If it IS security expenses for weekend trips to a different part of NYC (IIRC The Hamptons is in Long island, one of the borroughs) shouldn't be a big deal.

But if it's seen as taxpayer funding of extra-marital shenigans could be viewed as "corruption" etc.

Fern

Long Island != NYC. NYC consists of Brooklyn, The Bronx, Manhattan, Queens, and Staten Island. Long Island is Nassau and Suffolk Counties, of which, the Hamptons fall on the South Fork of Suffolk County.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Pabster
So 9/11 is a crook. Tell me something new.

That said, if billing personal expenses to government were really a crime, we'd boot the whole damn lot out. (Not a bad idea....)

Yes, it is. What would replace them is much worse. But it sure is easy to be the crank, isn't it?

As for Giulani, it gets tiresome pointing out the flaws of the republicans. Yes, he's terrible, and so are the other leading candidates.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: chowderhead
I guess the mayor needs protection and security 24/7 so the costs are justified even if they weren't necessarily for official business. Billing them to some obscure agency is wrong however as someone probably wanted to hide these charges. It's also interesting to see where Giuliani was spending his time and energy right before 9/11.

Could be an attempt to hide them. Could also be some pretty standard "budget juggling".

Cities/governments have some pretty weird accounting rules/practices. Basically you wanna zero-out any amounts in funds (accounts for different departments etc) before year-end or face undesirable consequences (e.g., budget reduction).

Depending how this plays out in the media, could be bad for Rudy. If it IS security expenses for weekend trips to a different part of NYC (IIRC The Hamptons is in Long island, one of the borroughs) shouldn't be a big deal.

But if it's seen as taxpayer funding of extra-marital shenigans could be viewed as "corruption" etc.

Fern

Long Island != NYC. NYC consists of Brooklyn, The Bronx, Manhattan, Queens, and Staten Island. Long Island is Nassau and Suffolk Counties, of which, the Hamptons fall on the South Fork of Suffolk County.

To be fair, Queens, Brooklyn and the Bronx are all on the west end of Long Island, so there are certainly boroughs on Long Island itself. But the entirety of Long Island is definitely not a borough, and the Hamptons are a good 60 miles away from anything that could be called NYC. Why Rudy needed to protect the Hamptons is anyone's guess, but I would assume that would fall outside the normal jurisdiction of the mayor of NYC. Which means he was probably just stealing taxpayer money to have an affair. At least Clinton did it at his desk; not too much misappropriated taxpayer money for travel expenses involved there.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: chowderhead
I guess the mayor needs protection and security 24/7 so the costs are justified even if they weren't necessarily for official business. Billing them to some obscure agency is wrong however as someone probably wanted to hide these charges. It's also interesting to see where Giuliani was spending his time and energy right before 9/11.

Could be an attempt to hide them. Could also be some pretty standard "budget juggling".

Cities/governments have some pretty weird accounting rules/practices. Basically you wanna zero-out any amounts in funds (accounts for different departments etc) before year-end or face undesirable consequences (e.g., budget reduction).

Depending how this plays out in the media, could be bad for Rudy. If it IS security expenses for weekend trips to a different part of NYC (IIRC The Hamptons is in Long island, one of the borroughs) shouldn't be a big deal.

But if it's seen as taxpayer funding of extra-marital shenigans could be viewed as "corruption" etc.

Fern

Long Island != NYC. NYC consists of Brooklyn, The Bronx, Manhattan, Queens, and Staten Island. Long Island is Nassau and Suffolk Counties, of which, the Hamptons fall on the South Fork of Suffolk County.

To be fair, Queens, Brooklyn and the Bronx are all on the west end of Long Island, so there are certainly boroughs on Long Island itself. But the entirety of Long Island is definitely not a borough, and the Hamptons are a good 60 miles away from anything that could be called NYC. Why Rudy needed to protect the Hamptons is anyone's guess, but I would assume that would fall outside the normal jurisdiction of the mayor of NYC. Which means he was probably just stealing taxpayer money to have an affair. At least Clinton did it at his desk; not too much misappropriated taxpayer money for travel expenses involved there.

For the record, the Bronx is also not a part of Long Island; it falls on the mainland of NYS.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

You're right, my mistake. Too many damn islands in NY...

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
At least Clinton did it at his desk; not too much misappropriated taxpayer money for travel expenses involved there.

Yes, much better to disgrace the Oval Office :roll:

Two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[Skitzer]

C'mon guys ..... this is just business as usual.
It ain't nuthin but a thang!