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Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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That woman stole a American citizen's identity...do you know how bad that is, and how much that can mess up the victim's life?? She is a scumbag to do that and deserves to be deported out of here forever, i have seen people who are truely disabled and yet they had to go literally a year or even 2 years with no disability income or even basic help like foodstamps...because their identity was stolen and they had to prove who they are and that takes alot of time. Not to mention cases where if there are warrants out for the person who stole your identity, if you get pulled over for running a red light, well now the police think YOU caused those crimes that have warrants out for you - its a mess. But its so common. The illegals cause far more trouble than just hopping a border in many cases, identity theft is probably the most common damage done to American citizens by illegal aliens.

Also, the economic theft is another factor. Did she collect Welfare and foodstamps using the stolen identity to? She stole directly from American citizens if she did. Did she vote using her fake identity, thereby meddling with our elections? I dont see why she wouldnt be able to.

Using somebody else's SS# is not identity theft no matter how badly you try to paint it that way. Reyos never claimed to be the other person but rather that the SS# was hers.
 

zinfamous

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I actually think all these attacks help the country. Every President comes in with a certain amount of political capital that he can use for virtually anything. After that, he needs popular support to act. The attacks on Obama drove him to be more moderate, and hopefully the attacks on Trump will do the same. Not immediately, but eventually Congressional Republicans will feel the heat and be less willing to act except where there is broad bipartisan public support. That can only be a good thing for any President, in my opinion. If something doesn't have broad support, then the government probably shouldn't be doing it. The lone exception off the top of my head would be minority civil rights (like gay marriage) where something may be morally imperative in and of itself but not yet acceptable to the majority. Those are the examples where leaders need to lead us in directions we might otherwise ignore since it isn't our ox being gored. Beyond that, I prefer that our leaders lead us where we all already want to go.

wut? Obama was always moderate. Any perceived "moderation" in anyone's eyes was some assumption that he was getting "whiter" as the years progressed. Fuck: stick him between Bush, Trumpollini, and even Bill Clinton--now do you think that you would attempt to label him has "left-wing librul" at the start, compared to those folks?

Good luck.
 

Vic

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I actually think all these attacks help the country. Every President comes in with a certain amount of political capital that he can use for virtually anything. After that, he needs popular support to act. The attacks on Obama drove him to be more moderate, and hopefully the attacks on Trump will do the same. Not immediately, but eventually Congressional Republicans will feel the heat and be less willing to act except where there is broad bipartisan public support. That can only be a good thing for any President, in my opinion. If something doesn't have broad support, then the government probably shouldn't be doing it. The lone exception off the top of my head would be minority civil rights (like gay marriage) where something may be morally imperative in and of itself but not yet acceptable to the majority. Those are the examples where leaders need to lead us in directions we might otherwise ignore since it isn't our ox being gored. Beyond that, I prefer that our leaders lead us where we all already want to go.
All previous attempts to 'moderate' Trump have already failed. I see no reason for that to change anytime soon, nor do I believe that doing so would be in his nature.
 

BonzaiDuck

Lifer
Jun 30, 2004
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Trump is retarded and a Russian puppet.....


No, I don't think I'll "give him a chance". He can F off back to his apartment in queens to tweet his vascular dementia-addled observations in his gilded bathroom.

I have been alternately so despondent and apoplectic to the point of stroke or heart-attack lately, I keep poking in here to post, and then realize it's a waste of words. Last week, I wanted to let fly a double-canister of verbal shrapnel when my dentist asked "So what do you think of Trump?"

My brother, who was in the chair, had told me not to discuss politics with someone who works on your teeth. But either way, it's a dilemma. What to do about my car-mechanic and my dentist. "Hey! Do you service these Isuzus? Can I be sure you think Trump is a disgusting pig and the Lord of the Flies?" Or -- "I'm looking for a sane dentist who despises Donald Trump."

All the Righties keep saying those who voted against the disgusting Slug are just sore losers. But this isn't about Hillary. it's not about one side winning and the other side losing. It's about one side so vacant, ignorant, narcissist and self-righteous that they would give us this guy with their minority of the popular vote.

In other words, we ALL lose. I won't likely stand to lose anything directly. Unless the country plunges into civil war, or somebody dissolves the federal system.

I'm just proud to say I'm ashamed of my country. I'm ashamed of Trump's supporters. I'm ashamed of Trump. The next four years are going to be a disaster. A lot more people will be hurt than Trump could possibly know. In fact, it is obvious that he hasn't given it a thought.

So . . . agnostic as I was -- I think we elected the Anti-Christ, Master and Prince of Lies, bedfellow to Vlad the Impaler. Or the Vlad you mentioned. Every day, I want to heave.
 
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MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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Excellent choices in the President's cabinet for one. His Executive Orders for two. His choice of Supreme Court nominee for three.

His cabinet choices have ranged from incompetent to fucking insane and corrupt. Except for a couple of his Defense-related appointments. His executive orders have mostly been regressive crap or stupidity like the travel ban. His supreme court choice was strategically a good one, let's see how he rules.

A great Trump executive order I'm sure you can get behind:

  • A memorandum instructing the Labor Department to delay implementing an Obama rule requiring financial professionals who are giving advice on retirement, and who charge commissions, to put their client's interests first.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/03/list-trumps-executive-orders.html
 
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werepossum

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All previous attempts to 'moderate' Trump have already failed. I see no reason for that to change anytime soon, nor do I believe that doing so would be in his nature.
I agree. However, Trump has a huge ego and wants to get things done. He's also highly intelligent and thoroughly understands the art of the deal. The more toxic he gets, the less eager the Pubbies will be to accommodate him. Either Trump learns to moderate his tone, or Congress will defang him as their fear of being defeated in the general becomes greater than their fear of being defeated in the primaries. (This will happen more in the Senate, of course; most House seats of either party tend to be fairly safe.) The more Trump appears to have lost the nation, the less the GOP will be willing to implement programs and changes without broad public support.
 

jman19

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His cabinet choices have ranged from incompetent to fucking insane and corrupt. Except for a couple of his Defense-related appointments. His executive orders have mostly been regressive crap or stupidity like the travel ban. His supreme court choice was strategically a good one, let's see how he rules.

A great Trump executive order I'm sure you can get behind:

  • A memorandum instructing the Labor Department to delay implementing an Obama rule requiring financial professionals who are giving advice on retirement, and who charge commissions, to put their client's interests first.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/03/list-trumps-executive-orders.html

Taj is a fluffer who will say whatever Donald does is right, so long as it annoys "lefties." Like talking to a brick wall.
 
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Commodus

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I agree. However, Trump has a huge ego and wants to get things done. He's also highly intelligent and thoroughly understands the art of the deal. The more toxic he gets, the less eager the Pubbies will be to accommodate him. Either Trump learns to moderate his tone, or Congress will defang him as their fear of being defeated in the general becomes greater than their fear of being defeated in the primaries. (This will happen more in the Senate, of course; most House seats of either party tend to be fairly safe.) The more Trump appears to have lost the nation, the less the GOP will be willing to implement programs and changes without broad public support.

But he's not that intelligent. We're seeing leaks showing that he didn't understand the scale of the job and was baffled by this whole "checks and balances" thing. It's increasingly clear that Trump genuinely thought that running the country was the same as running a company, and he hates having to deal with complex ideas (that article I linked shows him switching topics whenever things get tricky). What we see is more a reflection of his stubbornness and sense of entitlement than any great intellect.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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I agree. However, Trump has a huge ego and wants to get things done. He's also highly intelligent and thoroughly understands the art of the deal. The more toxic he gets, the less eager the Pubbies will be to accommodate him. Either Trump learns to moderate his tone, or Congress will defang him as their fear of being defeated in the general becomes greater than their fear of being defeated in the primaries. (This will happen more in the Senate, of course; most House seats of either party tend to be fairly safe.) The more Trump appears to have lost the nation, the less the GOP will be willing to implement programs and changes without broad public support.

Trump & the Repubs obviously agree about deregulating finance & investor class tax cuts. I mean, what could go wrong?

They're all lovey-dovey about neutering the EPA, the DOE & dept of Education, about Israel, Iran & military spending too. There's the old voter fraud boogeyman, PP, & this horrible faux crime epidemic not to mention the threat of Sharia Law crashing down on us.

They'll find ways to get along. Repubs built this, didn't they?
 
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"Give Trump A Chance"

Two, one two three four
Ev'rybody's talking about
Bagism, Shagism, Dragism, Madism, Ragism, Tagism
This-ism, that-ism, is-m, is-m, is-m.

All we are saying is give Trump a chance
All we are saying is give Trump a chance

C'mon
Ev'rybody's talking about Ministers,
Sinisters, Bannisters and canisters
Bishops and Fishops and Rabbis and Pop eyes,
And bye bye, bye byes.

All we are saying is give Trump a chance
All we are saying is give Trump a chance

Let me tell you now
Ev'rybody's talking about
Revolution, evolution, masturbation,
Flagellation, regulation, integrations,
Meditations, United Nations,
Congratulations.

Ev'rybody's talking about
John and Yoko, Timmy Leary, Rosemary,
Tommy Smothers, Bobby Dylan, Tommy Cooper,
Derek Taylor, Norman Mailer,
Alan Ginsberg, Hare Krishna,
Hare, Hare Krishna

Lyrics and song by John Lennon and sung to the tune of give peace a chance.
 

MongGrel

Lifer
Dec 3, 2013
38,466
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"Give Trump A Chance"

Two, one two three four
Ev'rybody's talking about
Bagism, Shagism, Dragism, Madism, Ragism, Tagism
This-ism, that-ism, is-m, is-m, is-m.

All we are saying is give Trump a chance
All we are saying is give Trump a chance

C'mon
Ev'rybody's talking about Ministers,
Sinisters, Bannisters and canisters
Bishops and Fishops and Rabbis and Pop eyes,
And bye bye, bye byes.

All we are saying is give Trump a chance
All we are saying is give Trump a chance

Let me tell you now
Ev'rybody's talking about
Revolution, evolution, masturbation,
Flagellation, regulation, integrations,
Meditations, United Nations,
Congratulations.

Ev'rybody's talking about
John and Yoko, Timmy Leary, Rosemary,
Tommy Smothers, Bobby Dylan, Tommy Cooper,
Derek Taylor, Norman Mailer,
Alan Ginsberg, Hare Krishna,
Hare, Hare Krishna

Lyrics and song by John Lennon and sung to the tune of give peace a chance.

Somehow, that was predictable really.

I was just waiting on a John Lennon reference to pop up.

You are not nearly as clever as you think you are, it was just a matter of time waiting for it.
 
Feb 16, 2005
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"Give Trump A Chance"

Two, one two three four
Ev'rybody's talking about
Bagism, Shagism, Dragism, Madism, Ragism, Tagism
This-ism, that-ism, is-m, is-m, is-m.

All we are saying is give Trump a chance
All we are saying is give Trump a chance

C'mon
Ev'rybody's talking about Ministers,
Sinisters, Bannisters and canisters
Bishops and Fishops and Rabbis and Pop eyes,
And bye bye, bye byes.

All we are saying is give Trump a chance
All we are saying is give Trump a chance

Let me tell you now
Ev'rybody's talking about
Revolution, evolution, masturbation,
Flagellation, regulation, integrations,
Meditations, United Nations,
Congratulations.

Ev'rybody's talking about
John and Yoko, Timmy Leary, Rosemary,
Tommy Smothers, Bobby Dylan, Tommy Cooper,
Derek Taylor, Norman Mailer,
Alan Ginsberg, Hare Krishna,
Hare, Hare Krishna

Lyrics and song by John Lennon and sung to the tune of give peace a chance.
well that's borderline blasphemous, but wouldn't expect anything less from you tajjy.
 
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peonyu

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Using somebody else's SS# is not identity theft no matter how badly you try to paint it that way. Reyos never claimed to be the other person but rather that the SS# was hers.

Its theft whether you like it or not. Taking someone's SS number can easily ruin the victim's life, dont try and gloss over that "small" detail of her crime - a felony btw. She is trash pure and simple.

Would you be ok with someone you dont know using your SS number? I doubt you would.
 

peonyu

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I think Felix has to be this guy-


And if Hillary won, we would have the lying MSM cover for her all the time, while the corrupt government does its own agenda behind the scenes and causes more mayhem worldwide. And much of the dust-up and tears from the Liberals in Government AND the NeverTrumpers [John Mccain etc] are simply because we have a President in office now who is not a puppet, and he is doing the agenda that he campaigned on. In short, he is not bought and paid for - and because he is already rich and a billionaire, waving money in his face to *wink wink pass this bill* has little effect, atleast compared to nearly other person in Government.

But lets say for a moment here that instead of President Trump winning, lets say Jeb Bush won instead. Im sure both sides would largely be quiet in public about it or put on a weak show of opposition - But behind the scenes they would be giving high fives to each other since Jeb Bush is just like Hillary Clinton - a bought and paid for little puppet. This is really Donald Trump's base if you knew the truth, those who have watched the government ran by so-called Conservatives and by so-called Liberals, and at the end of the day - a "liberal" like Obama gave the OK to destroy a nation [Libya] and a "conservative" like GWB gave the call to destroy Iraq...their actions show that they are practically the same and just talk crap in public. His base of voters were fed up so gave him the chance over a generic politician like Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton.
 

Thebobo

Lifer
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And if Hillary won, we would have the lying MSM cover for her all the time, while the corrupt government does its own agenda behind the scenes and causes more may...snip...nation [Libya] and a "conservative" like GWB gave the call to destroy Iraq...their actions show that they are practically the same and just talk crap in public. His base of voters were fed up so gave him the chance over a generic politician like Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton.

At least they were bought out by Americans not a Russian dictator.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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And if Hillary won, we would have the lying MSM cover for her all the time, while the corrupt government does its own agenda behind the scenes and causes more mayhem worldwide. And much of the dust-up and tears from the Liberals in Government AND the NeverTrumpers [John Mccain etc] are simply because we have a President in office now who is not a puppet, and he is doing the agenda that he campaigned on. In short, he is not bought and paid for - and because he is already rich and a billionaire, waving money in his face to *wink wink pass this bill* has little effect, atleast compared to nearly other person in Government.

But lets say for a moment here that instead of President Trump winning, lets say Jeb Bush won instead. Im sure both sides would largely be quiet in public about it or put on a weak show of opposition - But behind the scenes they would be giving high fives to each other since Jeb Bush is just like Hillary Clinton - a bought and paid for little puppet. This is really Donald Trump's base if you knew the truth, those who have watched the government ran by so-called Conservatives and by so-called Liberals, and at the end of the day - a "liberal" like Obama gave the OK to destroy a nation [Libya] and a "conservative" like GWB gave the call to destroy Iraq...their actions show that they are practically the same and just talk crap in public. His base of voters were fed up so gave him the chance over a generic politician like Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton.

Let's avoid reality with the usual right wing fantasy rant.

Meanwhile, Trump assembles the richest cabinet in history-

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38168382

If you think they got that way watching out for the little guy you're delusional.
 
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Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Its theft whether you like it or not. Taking someone's SS number can easily ruin the victim's life, dont try and gloss over that "small" detail of her crime - a felony btw. She is trash pure and simple.

Would you be ok with someone you dont know using your SS number? I doubt you would.

Bullshit. People don't do anything with a stolen SS number except get a job.

Amnesty would solve that problem better than anything else.
 

MongGrel

Lifer
Dec 3, 2013
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And if Hillary won, we would have the lying MSM cover for her all the time, while the corrupt government does its own agenda behind the scenes and causes more mayhem worldwide. And much of the dust-up and tears from the Liberals in Government AND the NeverTrumpers [John Mccain etc] are simply because we have a President in office now who is not a puppet, and he is doing the agenda that he campaigned on. In short, he is not bought and paid for - and because he is already rich and a billionaire, waving money in his face to *wink wink pass this bill* has little effect, atleast compared to nearly other person in Government.

But lets say for a moment here that instead of President Trump winning, lets say Jeb Bush won instead. Im sure both sides would largely be quiet in public about it or put on a weak show of opposition - But behind the scenes they would be giving high fives to each other since Jeb Bush is just like Hillary Clinton - a bought and paid for little puppet. This is really Donald Trump's base if you knew the truth, those who have watched the government ran by so-called Conservatives and by so-called Liberals, and at the end of the day - a "liberal" like Obama gave the OK to destroy a nation [Libya] and a "conservative" like GWB gave the call to destroy Iraq...their actions show that they are practically the same and just talk crap in public. His base of voters were fed up so gave him the chance over a generic politician like Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton.

Go back to your alternative universe.

Trump is busy trying to trash the government at the moment with no idea how to improve anything in his mind, if you have not figured that out by now you're really in alt truth land.
 

peonyu

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Let's avoid reality with the usual right wing fantasy rant.

Meanwhile, Trump assembles the richest cabinet in history-

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38168382

If you think they got that way watching out for the little guy you're delusional.

I never said Trump is perfect, he is far from perfect. But he is not More of the same, which Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush are - exactly more of the same...Which gave us Libya, and Iraq destroyed in the past 16 years. I like how liberal minded folks disregard those facts or act like it doesnt matter - And remember, Obama led the charge on Libya and destroyed a perfectly fine nation, thats ok and that is good leadership?? Not even close. And Obama helped cause the massive tide of refugees flooding Southern Europe via the Mediterranean, he is as bad as GWB is in that regard. And Hillary Clinton im sure, would continue the grand strategy set forth by GWB and Obama...More nations destroyed. And she even said she wanted to FORCE out Assad in Syria. Great great, man such a shame she lost...

If Democrats were serious about the election, Bernie Sanders would have won his nomination - despite Hillary Clinton cheating him at 2 debates. His loss just showed that most Democrats still cant think outside of the box, and if GWB was a Democrat - they would have voted for him. Maybe not the folks on this forum but in general the masses would have fell in line.
 

peonyu

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Go back to your alternative universe.

Trump is busy trying to trash the government at the moment with no idea how to improve anything in his mind, if you have not figured that out by now you're really in alt truth land.

And...Why is Libya destroyed again?
Is that Alt-Truth to?
Hillary sure showed us how smart and talented she is.../snicker
 

MongGrel

Lifer
Dec 3, 2013
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I never said Trump is perfect, he is far from perfect. But he is not More of the same, which Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush are - exactly more of the same...Which gave us Libya, and Iraq destroyed in the past 16 years. I like how liberal minded folks disregard those facts or act like it doesnt matter - And remember, Obama led the charge on Libya and destroyed a perfectly fine nation, thats ok and that is good leadership?? Not even close. And Obama helped cause the massive tide of refugees flooding Southern Europe via the Mediterranean, he is as bad as GWB is in that regard. And Hillary Clinton im sure, would continue the grand strategy set forth by GWB and Obama...More nations destroyed. And she even said she wanted to FORCE out Assad in Syria. Great great, man such a shame she lost...

If Democrats were serious about the election, Bernie Sanders would have won his nomination - despite Hillary Clinton cheating him at 2 debates. His loss just showed that most Democrats still cant think outside of the box, and if GWB was a Democrat - they would have voted for him. Maybe not the folks on this forum but in general the masses would have fell in line.

The power of the Trump seems to compel you.
 

peonyu

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Bullshit. People don't do anything with a stolen SS number except get a job.

Amnesty would solve that problem better than anything else.

You have no clue at all. Have you ever signed up for a credit card...like ever in your life, ever??
What they ask you, is your Name - Address - SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER. PERIOD.

So someone getting a credit card in your name, and RUINS your credit history is no big deal??
Really...you know not what you speak young Padawan.

And Amnesty...No. Reagan gave amnesty and said in his own words - that that was to be the first, and last amnesty. Its not the Amercian people's job to fix the mess that the Single-Party created [Democrat and Republicans], let the goverment deport them and let them do it the right way. Sigh.
 
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