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MongGrel

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You have no clue at all. Have you ever signed up for a credit card...like ever in your life, ever??
What they ask you, is your Name - Address - SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER. PERIOD.

So someone getting a credit card in your name, and RUINS your credit history is no big deal??
Really...you know not what you speak young Padawan.

And Amnesty...No. Reagan gave amnesty and said in his own words - that that was to be the first, and last amnesty. Its not the Amercian people's job to fix the mess that the Single-Party created [Democrat and Republicans], let the goverment deport them and let them do it the right way. Sigh.

I'll guess you have been suckered in in the past, from your posts, and you've been suckered in by Trump also.

Reagan was never a final say of anything, as much as it seems you would like to believe that.
 
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Considering the steaming turd known as Hillary...Sure.
The Berniebros were right were they not?
She lost bigly [electorally].
no matter how many times you repeat it, it doesn't make the win any bigger than it was, historically speaking and that "it ranks near the bottom, belonging somewhere between the lowest one-fourth and the lowest one-fifth of all Electoral College victories in history."
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-trumps-electoral-college-victory-was-not-ma/

but don't let facts and historical data get in your way of truthiness.
 
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no matter how many times you repeat it, it doesn't make the win any bigger than it was, historically speaking and that "it ranks near the bottom, belonging somewhere between the lowest one-fourth and the lowest one-fifth of all Electoral College victories in history."
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-trumps-electoral-college-victory-was-not-ma/

but don't let facts and historical data get in your way of truthiness.

"
1. Vince Lombardi
“Winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing.”

2. Bobby Knight
“The key is not the will to win… everybody has that. It is the will to prepare to win that is important.”

6. Muhammad Ali
“I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'”

8. Billie Jean King
“A champion is afraid of losing. Everyone else is afraid of winning.”

9. Paul Bryant
“Winning isn’t everything, but it beats anything that comes in second.”

Well, you get the idea.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/02/best-sports-quotes-about-winning
 
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"
1. Vince Lombardi
“Winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing.”

2. Bobby Knight
“The key is not the will to win… everybody has that. It is the will to prepare to win that is important.”

6. Muhammad Ali
“I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'”

8. Billie Jean King
“A champion is afraid of losing. Everyone else is afraid of winning.”

9. Paul Bryant
“Winning isn’t everything, but it beats anything that comes in second.”

Well, you get the idea.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/02/best-sports-quotes-about-winning
excellent list of nothing to do with the claim, well played tajjy, go tell drumpf you did good.
 

MrPickins

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"
1. Vince Lombardi
“Winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing.”

2. Bobby Knight
“The key is not the will to win… everybody has that. It is the will to prepare to win that is important.”

6. Muhammad Ali
“I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'”

8. Billie Jean King
“A champion is afraid of losing. Everyone else is afraid of winning.”

9. Paul Bryant
“Winning isn’t everything, but it beats anything that comes in second.”

Well, you get the idea.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/02/best-sports-quotes-about-winning

Politics shouldn't be played like sports, though.
 
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Politics shouldn't be played like sports, though.
Well Sheik was whining about the margin that President Trump won the Presidency with and that it wasn't this huge margin. What really matters is that he won it. I just tried to give the poor boy some inspirational messages about winning.
 
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Well Sheik was whining about the margin that President Trump won the Presidency with and that it wasn't this huge margin. What really matters is that he won it. I just tried to give the poor boy some inspirational messages about winning.
LOL
whining, me pointing out yet again, another drumpf fluffer is exaggerating the electoral college win margin is whining. ok tajjy.
In fact, my post was purely informational, devoid of emotion, so, yea, point out exactly where I was whining in that post tajjy, I'll wait.
 
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Jhhnn

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You have no clue at all. Have you ever signed up for a credit card...like ever in your life, ever??
What they ask you, is your Name - Address - SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER. PERIOD.

So someone getting a credit card in your name, and RUINS your credit history is no big deal??
Really...you know not what you speak young Padawan.

More bullshit. Then they want to see a valid State ID, run a credit check & etc. None of that is what illegals do when the lift a SS number, anyway. They don't steal people's identities. This woman obviously didn't.

And Amnesty...No. Reagan gave amnesty and said in his own words - that that was to be the first, and last amnesty. Its not the Amercian people's job to fix the mess that the Single-Party created [Democrat and Republicans], let the goverment deport them and let them do it the right way. Sigh.

Yes, yes... the all knowing & all seeing Saint Ronnie who could peer 30 years into the future.

And those kids, those American kids who depend on illegal parents as bread winners? Fuck those little brown bastids. Not real Merricuhns, right? Shoulda picked better parents.

Fuck the Constitution & send the Statue of Liberty back to the French with a side of freedom fries while we're at it.
 
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LOL
whining, me pointing out yet again, another drumpf fluffer is exaggerating the electoral college win margin is whining. ok tajjy.
In fact, my post was purely informational, devoid of emotion, so, yea, point out exactly where I was whining in that post tajjy, I'll wait.
I was sure i heard some sniffing and choked up typing there, with a touch of whine. Maybe you just have allergies. It's ok, we all understand just how disappointed you are that your faction lost. Even if it wasn't hugely.
 
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I was sure i heard some sniffing and choked up typing there, with a touch of whine. Maybe you just have allergies. It's ok, we all understand just how disappointed you are that your faction lost. Even if it wasn't hugely.
sniffles and choking, sounds like a drumpf debate. lol, you're too easy.

And well done in completely failing at pointing out any whining on that post. gj tajjy.
 
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The more time has gone on since Trump has become president has revealed to me more how the overall liberal character is.

Essentially, it has become quite apparent that they are bleeding hearts. Not just in a general sense, but in the sense that they would damn 10 million lives for the purpose of saving 1 life. Economics and facts be damned, if you deport that one illegal immigrant they are going to die!!! You don't want people to die do you?!?!?
 

brycejones

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The more time has gone on since Trump has become president has revealed to me more how the overall liberal character is.

Essentially, it has become quite apparent that they are bleeding hearts. Not just in a general sense, but in the sense that they would damn 10 million lives for the purpose of saving 1 life. Economics and facts be damned, if you deport that one illegal immigrant they are going to die!!! You don't want people to die do you?!?!?

And yet another poor straw person was ruthlessly attacked in p&n. Won't someone help the poor straw people?
 

agent00f

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I agree. However, Trump has a huge ego and wants to get things done. He's also highly intelligent and thoroughly understands the art of the deal. The more toxic he gets, the less eager the Pubbies will be to accommodate him. Either Trump learns to moderate his tone, or Congress will defang him as their fear of being defeated in the general becomes greater than their fear of being defeated in the primaries. (This will happen more in the Senate, of course; most House seats of either party tend to be fairly safe.) The more Trump appears to have lost the nation, the less the GOP will be willing to implement programs and changes without broad public support.

You of all people should understand the conservative obligation to relate to your own, like those peers above, before any leftard like Obama.
 

werepossum

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The more time has gone on since Trump has become president has revealed to me more how the overall liberal character is.

Essentially, it has become quite apparent that they are bleeding hearts. Not just in a general sense, but in the sense that they would damn 10 million lives for the purpose of saving 1 life. Economics and facts be damned, if you deport that one illegal immigrant they are going to die!!! You don't want people to die do you?!?!?
Illegals drive down wages and therefore costs, which means that anyone whose job is moderately to highly skilled benefits from illegal immigration as well as outsourcing. For people with no particular attachment to Americans, that is a personal win, and much of the left daily demonstrates a deep disdain if not active hatred for the working American. It's not being bleeding hearts as much as favoring illegal aliens over poor working class Americans due at least partially to self interest.
 

werepossum

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But he's not that intelligent. We're seeing leaks showing that he didn't understand the scale of the job and was baffled by this whole "checks and balances" thing. It's increasingly clear that Trump genuinely thought that running the country was the same as running a company, and he hates having to deal with complex ideas (that article I linked shows him switching topics whenever things get tricky). What we see is more a reflection of his stubbornness and sense of entitlement than any great intellect.
Disagree. Trump has repeatedly navigated foreign governments' bureaucracies with almost no power and almost always came out ahead.

Between our "comedians" and the mainstream media reporting anonymous leaks, the left has assembled its own RT.com that would make Putin green with envy.
 

sdifox

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Disagree. Trump has repeatedly navigated foreign governments' bureaucracies with almost no power and almost always came out ahead.

Between our "comedians" and the mainstream media reporting anonymous leaks, the left has assembled its own RT.com that would make Putin green with envy.


Ah yes the UK courts were thoroughly impressed by Trump's "I am the evidence. " that they cancelled the wind mill project.

Oh wait...
 
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Commodus

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Disagree. Trump has repeatedly navigated foreign governments' bureaucracies with almost no power and almost always came out ahead.

Between our "comedians" and the mainstream media reporting anonymous leaks, the left has assembled its own RT.com that would make Putin green with envy.

I don't see how holding corrupt, incompetent politicians to account can be equated with a state propaganda outlet. Besides, the media is the group challenging Trump's excessive coziness with Russia -- how are we making Putin envious by threatening to remove his favorite puppet from office?
 

werepossum

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I don't see how holding corrupt, incompetent politicians to account can be equated with a state propaganda outlet. Besides, the media is the group challenging Trump's excessive coziness with Russia -- how are we making Putin envious by threatening to remove his favorite puppet from office?
It's not a state propaganda outlet, but it's certainly a party propaganda outlet.
 

werepossum

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Ah yes the UK courts were thoroughly impressed by Trump's "I am the evidence. " that they cancelled the wind mill project.

Oh wait...
I bet if you looked at it, Trump didn't lose anything on that project. Due to his consistent business success, he has enough investors lined up willing to take the risk to share the profit. Usually, Trump takes the lion's share of the profit. That's one of my fears with Trump. Most of his business ventures have been successful, but the few that haven't, his investors generally take it in the shorts. There's a real chance that America plays the part of the butthurt investors even if Trump is wildly successful as a President. We've already seen that his "America first" policies weren't allowed to impact his own considerable profits.

A rising tide lifts all boats, but sometimes the little boats get crushed between the big boats.
 

MongGrel

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I bet if you looked at it, Trump didn't lose anything on that project. Due to his consistent business success, he has enough investors lined up willing to take the risk to share the profit. Usually, Trump takes the lion's share of the profit. That's one of my fears with Trump. Most of his business ventures have been successful, but the few that haven't, his investors generally take it in the shorts. There's a real chance that America plays the part of the butthurt investors even if Trump is wildly successful as a President. We've already seen that his "America first" policies weren't allowed to impact his own considerable profits.

A rising tide lifts all boats, but sometimes the little boats get crushed between the big boats.

Trickle Down.

 

Commodus

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It's not a state propaganda outlet, but it's certainly a party propaganda outlet.

Even if true (I disagree), there's no question that they're exponentially better than the Trump camp. Trump's team regularly tells egregious lies, pushes the limits of laws (and at least in the case of the immigration ban, likely broke it), tries to censor valuable science and is bent on avoiding accountability for its actions. I would much rather have a partisan but well-meaning group challenging these lies and violations at every turn than let Trump have the cheerleader section he so desperately wants from the press.
 
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