GLobal Climate Change AKA Global Warming.

[sunase]

Can we speed this up in any way? I want the water levels to rise so that I don't have to drive as far to get to the beach...

 

[AgentJean]

It's snowing in New York and Ohio. This is the earliest snow fall since 1909. Global warmin is NOT working. We must pump out more CO to keep New York from becoming a frozen waste land.

Save the poor people in Ohio and New York from frezing to death today but burning more Coal and removing the CO scrubbers from your cars. THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!

 

[AgentJean]

Originally posted by: sunase
Can we speed this up in any way? I want the water levels to rise so that I don't have to drive as far to get to the beach...

Massive thermal nuclear explosion in Antartica? Like something out of a Japanese Anime flick. That's how massive I'm talking.

 

[madeupfacts]

Originally posted by: AgentJean

Originally posted by: sunase
Can we speed this up in any way? I want the water levels to rise so that I don't have to drive as far to get to the beach...

Massive thermal nuclear explosion in Antartica? Like something out of a Japanese Anime flick. That's how massive I'm talking.

screw u, leave the marching penguins alone

 

[altonb1]

Originally posted by: ViRGE
Really, it doesn't matter who or what causes global warming. All I know is that I'd really rather not take my chances on a wildly different weather pattern, who knows if humanity can thrive with its current numbers given that.

What classifies something as a wildly different weather pattern? The freak snow storm that hit Buffalo? 2 feet or so, right? That global warming is killing us with the record snowfall yesterday and today...beat the record set...let's see...100 years ago? :roll:

 

[Triumph]

Originally posted by: madeupfacts

Originally posted by: FoBoT
too small of sample, not enough data. too short of time.

ur a idiot

No he isn't. If it were anything else but the topic at hand, scientists would laugh at you for interpolating the data in the way global warming magnates have done. It's ridiculous to believe that we can capture the average earth temperature in any meaningful way across the entire planet, with today's data. There are huge gaps across, oh, I dunno, THE OCEANS. And an even more ridiculous supposition is the assumption that we can know anything about the global temperature 100, 200, 400, 1000 years ago with any sort of assurity. Oh yeah, a few deep ice drillings in a Canadian glacier are really going to give us an idea of the GLOBAL temperature in 2300 BC. :roll:

Aren't these the same people that study the current temperatures and try to predict the weather for us? The same people who are wrong 75% of the time and still get to keep their jobs? So apparently the global temperature has increased 6/10ths of a degree in 100 years. How am I supposed to believe that we can measure the temperature change that accurately, when the weather forecaster can't even predict TODAY's weather to within that range? Think about how ridiculous that is for a minute. Predicting what the weather will be today is not much different than predicting what the weather was 100 years ago, except that today we have data several orders of magnitude more reliable. And we can't even do THAT to within 1 degree of accuracy. How does that make any sense?

 

[AgentJean]

Originally posted by: madeupfacts

Originally posted by: AgentJean

Originally posted by: sunase
Can we speed this up in any way? I want the water levels to rise so that I don't have to drive as far to get to the beach...

Massive thermal nuclear explosion in Antartica? Like something out of a Japanese Anime flick. That's how massive I'm talking.

screw u, leave the marching penguins alone

They are all going to die any ways when the Ice melts from :Q Global Warming :Q.
Better to put them out of their misery now and quickly then let them suffer the effects of :Q Global Warming :Q

After all evoluation has been banned from schools so these cold water penguins will never be able to adapt to become warm water penguins.

 

[AgentJean]

Until we can farm in Greenland(again. They were farming there in the 1200s) there is NO :Q Global Warming :Q.

 

[madeupfacts]

Originally posted by: AgentJean

Originally posted by: madeupfacts

Originally posted by: AgentJean

Originally posted by: sunase
Can we speed this up in any way? I want the water levels to rise so that I don't have to drive as far to get to the beach...

Massive thermal nuclear explosion in Antartica? Like something out of a Japanese Anime flick. That's how massive I'm talking.

screw u, leave the marching penguins alone

They are all going to die any ways when the Ice melts from :Q Global Warming :Q.
Better to put them out of their misery now and quickly then let them suffer the effects of :Q Global Warming :Q

After all evoluation has been banned from schools so these cold water penguins will never be able to adapt to become warm water penguins.

they will live in my room i will adopt them all and feed them tuna of the sea

 

[AgentJean]

Originally posted by: madeupfacts

Originally posted by: AgentJean

Originally posted by: madeupfacts

Originally posted by: AgentJean

Originally posted by: sunase
Can we speed this up in any way? I want the water levels to rise so that I don't have to drive as far to get to the beach...

Massive thermal nuclear explosion in Antartica? Like something out of a Japanese Anime flick. That's how massive I'm talking.

screw u, leave the marching penguins alone

They are all going to die any ways when the Ice melts from :Q Global Warming :Q.
Better to put them out of their misery now and quickly then let them suffer the effects of :Q Global Warming :Q

After all evoluation has been banned from schools so these cold water penguins will never be able to adapt to become warm water penguins.

they will live in my room i will adopt them all and feed them tuna of the sea

Uhh we're running out of Tuna. Before you know it charlie will be caught and that's it. All over people.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: altonb1

Originally posted by: ViRGE
Really, it doesn't matter who or what causes global warming. All I know is that I'd really rather not take my chances on a wildly different weather pattern, who knows if humanity can thrive with its current numbers given that.

What classifies something as a wildly different weather pattern? The freak snow storm that hit Buffalo? 2 feet or so, right? That global warming is killing us with the record snowfall yesterday and today...beat the record set...let's see...100 years ago? :roll:

I'd say anything that diminishes our ability to engage in agriculture or otherwise exploit the resources of an area(including being able to inhabit it).

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: altonb1
Way to flame-bait, troll.... :disgust:

In any case, Global Warming is simply a propaganda tool used by politicians, tree huggers, etc to push an agenda.

Your facts are sketchy:

1. You claim the amount of CO2 had not changed much in 400,000 years. If that is true, can you tell me the EXACT CO2 level for the year 396,487 BC? No? Why not? And if not, how can you claim your fact is accurate?

2. How do you know the Earth is even that old? There are many that would argue the age of the earth is only 10,000 years old at the MOST.

3. If we have had 2 Ice Ages on the planet (as I believe I was taught in school) then how do you know the current "warming" (if it is truly happening) is not just the natural warming as we continue to get back to "normal" temps after the last ice age. In other words, maybe the Earth has been too cold and has not yet reached it's ideal normal temp, such as the temp in early June is not the same summer temp you get in mid-late July.

4. Perhaps this is better suited for P&N?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Vostok-ice-core-petit.png

 

[bonkers325]

Originally posted by: Martin
I'll be concise:
Facts
[*]CO2 is a greenhouse gas (link)
[*]Atmospheric CO2 concentrations and average world temperatures vary proportionately.
[*]CO2 concentrations vary naturally (link)
[*]CO2 concentrations have varied between ~180ppm and ~300ppm for the last 400000 years (link)
[*]Between 1800 and present day, CO2 concentrations have gone from ~280ppm to ~370ppm. link)
[*]The current CO2 levels have not occured in the last 800000 years and are outside their natural range. (link)

Conclusion
Humans have put an excess amount of CO2 in the atmosphere which will cause average world temperatures to rise and greatly alter the planet's climate.

we don't know the natural range of CO2 levels. in fact, we don't know anything at all. everything about global warming is based on speculation and our limited knowledge of the earth's history.

on the other hand, global warming killed the dinosaurs.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Facts
[*] This is ATOT, not P&N.
[*] No one gives a ******.
[*] You're Canadian.

Conclusion
GTFO.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: bonkers325

Originally posted by: Martin
I'll be concise:
Facts
[*]CO2 is a greenhouse gas (link)
[*]Atmospheric CO2 concentrations and average world temperatures vary proportionately.
[*]CO2 concentrations vary naturally (link)
[*]CO2 concentrations have varied between ~180ppm and ~300ppm for the last 400000 years (link)
[*]Between 1800 and present day, CO2 concentrations have gone from ~280ppm to ~370ppm. link)
[*]The current CO2 levels have not occured in the last 800000 years and are outside their natural range. (link)

Conclusion
Humans have put an excess amount of CO2 in the atmosphere which will cause average world temperatures to rise and greatly alter the planet's climate.

we don't know the natural range of CO2 levels. in fact, we don't know anything at all. everything about global warming is based on speculation and our limited knowledge of the earth's history.

on the other hand, global warming killed the dinosaurs.

incorrect

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Martin
I'll be concise:
Facts
[*]CO2 is a greenhouse gas (link)
[*]Atmospheric CO2 concentrations and average world temperatures vary proportionately.
[*]CO2 concentrations vary naturally (link)
[*]CO2 concentrations have varied between ~180ppm and ~300ppm for the last 400000 years (link)
[*]Between 1800 and present day, CO2 concentrations have gone from ~280ppm to ~370ppm. link)
[*]The current CO2 levels have not occured in the last 800000 years and are outside their natural range. (link)

Conclusion
Humans have put an excess amount of CO2 in the atmosphere which will cause average world temperatures to rise and greatly alter the planet's climate.

Now that was concise!!

 

[fire400]

Originally posted by: AgentJean

Originally posted by: sunase
Can we speed this up in any way? I want the water levels to rise so that I don't have to drive as far to get to the beach...

Massive thermal nuclear explosion in Antartica? Like something out of a Japanese Anime flick. That's how massive I'm talking.

you don't have to hope for it or wish for it as nearly as much as your really doing right now. it's already in the process:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c...hed%2Bsatellites%2Bshow&sn=001&sc=1000

Also, I've heard accounts, where as much as over 30 miles of ice are being shaved off of Antartica a year. Put the math together, and you know how hard it can be to run the mile without knowing there is going to be water for you at the end of the race? Yes, it's melting fast, and how the movie Artificial Intelligence (A.I.) depicted it's world in water, or even the movie, Water World with Keven Kostner, it will have you thinking twice about what you want to be teaching your own children in the near future.

Closer beaches, or more fish?

To swim or not to swim.

 

[Xenon]

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: madeupfacts

Originally posted by: FoBoT
too small of sample, not enough data. too short of time.

ur a idiot

No he isn't. If it were anything else but the topic at hand, scientists would laugh at you for interpolating the data in the way global warming magnates have done. It's ridiculous to believe that we can capture the average earth temperature in any meaningful way across the entire planet, with today's data. There are huge gaps across, oh, I dunno, THE OCEANS. And an even more ridiculous supposition is the assumption that we can know anything about the global temperature 100, 200, 400, 1000 years ago with any sort of assurity. Oh yeah, a few deep ice drillings in a Canadian glacier are really going to give us an idea of the GLOBAL temperature in 2300 BC. :roll:

Aren't these the same people that study the current temperatures and try to predict the weather for us? The same people who are wrong 75% of the time and still get to keep their jobs? So apparently the global temperature has increased 6/10ths of a degree in 100 years. How am I supposed to believe that we can measure the temperature change that accurately, when the weather forecaster can't even predict TODAY's weather to within that range? Think about how ridiculous that is for a minute. Predicting what the weather will be today is not much different than predicting what the weather was 100 years ago, except that today we have data several orders of magnitude more reliable. And we can't even do THAT to within 1 degree of accuracy. How does that make any sense?

Astounding ignorance. What makes you think that we don't know the temperature of the surface of the Earth right this minute? Are you that clueless to the capabilities of weather satellites? http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/phod/dataphod1/work/HHP/NEW/2005213sst.png

 

[Kirby]

<-----Doesn't care.




Oh yeah, Manbearpig!

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: altonb1
I don't say you have to believe the link as fact; however, since the theory exists, we can not automatically believe your theory is actual fact, either.

There are still people who believe in a flat earth. Guess I shouldn't automatically accept that the earth is round, huh.

Still, I think the only thing we can agree on is:

FACT:
Your average layperson has absolutely NO idea about the science behind climate change; they just latch onto an agenda which fits their opinions, and find a nice website that gives them some scientific-sounding arguments to back it up.

Originally posted by: Triumph
How am I supposed to believe that we can measure the temperature change that accurately, when the weather forecaster can't even predict TODAY's weather to within that range? Think about how ridiculous that is for a minute. Predicting what the weather will be today is not much different than predicting what the weather was 100 years ago...

Here's a hint for you: Not all measurements are created equally, and there are NO instruments which can read future temperatures. Predicting and measuring are entirely different fields. A good scientist will know what their error bars are when they take a measurement. This depends on technique, sample quality, equipment, and so on. There is no way of knowing the accuracy of a prediction, other than to wait and see how it pans out.

 

[Triumph]

So the assumption with these measurements is that nothing has changed in the years since it was "set." Plus the fact that these are localized measurements used to create a global picture, and would have the same problems inherent with any sampling. And I'm supposed to believe that we can trust a measurement like this with 10th of a degree accuracy?

Originally posted by: XenonAstounding ignorance. What makes you think that we don't know the temperature of the surface of the Earth right this minute? Are you that clueless to the capabilities of weather satellites? http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/phod/dataphod1/work/HHP/NEW/2005213sst.png

What is the margin of error in that graph? Is it less than 1 degree C? Is that surface temperature or some point in the atmosphere? Do we have an image like that from 100 years ago to compare? 50 years ago? 20 years ago? Is a global measurement like this comparable at all to localized measurements from 10's, hundreds, thousands of years ago?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: madeupfacts
Relative to the period 1860?1900, global temperatures on both land and sea have increased by 0.75 °C (1.4 °F), according to the instrumental temperature record. Since 1979, land temperatures have increased about twice as fast as ocean temperatures (0.25 °C/decade against 0.13 °C/decade (Smith, 2005). Temperatures in the lower troposphere have increased between 0.12 and 0.22 °C per decade since 1979, according to satellite temperature measurements. Over the one or two thousand years before 1850, world temperature is believed to have been relatively stable, with possibly regional fluctuations such as the Medieval Warm Period or the Little Ice Age.

yay, cherry picking time periods.


relative to the period 0 AD/BC we're down half a degree or so.

 

[JS80]

opinion: global warming is good for humans.

discuss.

 

[imported_Beavis]

Originally posted by: JS80
opinion: global warming is good for humans.

discuss.

Lets see, what a warmer world could mean

1: Longer Beach Season
2: Having the A/C on from Febuary to November
3: Longer Growing Season
4: Keeping the Pool Open almost year round
5: Almost Zero Heating Bills
etc...

 

[0roo0roo]

depends how much of the middle east ends up under water right?

i think the holylands are better off kept at such a distance