Global Extremes:8-29-07 NOAA says human activity to blame for increase in gases and hottest temps on record

[shoegazer]

Originally posted by: daniel49
They cannot even predict next months weather much less 100 years from now.

This statement makes it apparent that your education in earth science has failed you. An equivalent statement: They can't even predict the fluctuations in a certain stock on the market on a single day next month, much less have any idea if it will be up or down 5 years down the road.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: shoegazer

Originally posted by: daniel49
They cannot even predict next months weather much less 100 years from now.

This statement makes it apparent that your education in earth science has failed you. An equivalent statement: They can't even predict the fluctuations in a certain stock on the market on a single day next month, much less have any idea if it will be up or down 5 years down the road.

Was his statement inaccurate?

 

[shoegazer]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: shoegazer

Originally posted by: daniel49
They cannot even predict next months weather much less 100 years from now.

This statement makes it apparent that your education in earth science has failed you. An equivalent statement: They can't even predict the fluctuations in a certain stock on the market on a single day next month, much less have any idea if it will be up or down 5 years down the road.

Was his statement inaccurate?

His statement was not only inaccurate, but it also demonstrated a complete lack of knowledge about the difference between climatology and meteorology.

Short term changes, like weather, involve so many small, yet important, variables that it is quite challenging to predict changes in the near term, much less a month away.

Climate can be predicted because it averages out the effects of these small variables over a long period of time.

 

[slash196]

Why can't they force a switch to LED lightbulbs? I can't stand the flicker of fluorescents.

 

[Jaskalas]

Climatology consists of a political movement that garners a consensus through silencing critics and science that does not agree with the hyped global warming model. It can hardly be considered science to have selective processes to match a predetermined conclusion. Even the UN report has to cherry pick its material to support the conclusion it began with.

When such obnoxious moves are made, global warming feels more like a religious movement than factual science. You must remember you demean people for their beliefs constantly. Your own beliefs are no different, they are not sacred.

Getting a consensus through banishing dissent and cherry picking results is easy. Try doing it honestly on this subject, and then you?ll see that there is no consensus and the cause of this warming is still up for debate, especially given that it hasn?t even been proven that we?re above normal temperature variance for the history of the planet. If we did not cause the warming and ice cap melting back then, then it?s certainly plausible that we?re not doing it now.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: shoegazer

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: shoegazer

Originally posted by: daniel49
They cannot even predict next months weather much less 100 years from now.

This statement makes it apparent that your education in earth science has failed you. An equivalent statement: They can't even predict the fluctuations in a certain stock on the market on a single day next month, much less have any idea if it will be up or down 5 years down the road.

Was his statement inaccurate?

His statement was not only inaccurate, but it also demonstrated a complete lack of knowledge about the difference between climatology and meteorology.

Short term changes, like weather, involve so many small, yet important, variables that it is quite challenging to predict changes in the near term, much less a month away.

Climate can be predicted because it averages out the effects of these small variables over a long period of time.

so what your saying is that even though meteorology has tracked and recorded weather for over 150 years that they cannot average these same variables to work on shorter ranges but they are extremly accurate predicting the future 200 years from now?
Your going to have to do better then that.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: slash196
Why can't they force a switch to LED lightbulbs? I can't stand the flicker of fluorescents.

Maybe that is what the U.S. will do

 

[shoegazer]

Originally posted by: daniel49
so what your saying is that even though meteorology has tracked and recorded weather for over 150 years that they cannot average these same variables to work on shorter ranges but they are extremly accurate predicting the future 200 years from now?
Your going to have to do better then that.

Ha, are you kidding? Think about the sun. Can we predict specific locations of solar flares a month a head of time? No. Yet we can predict that the sun will die out in a few billion years.

Climatologists are predicting rising average global temperatures, not a thunderstorm in Kentucky 100 years from now. It's different.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: shoegazer

Originally posted by: daniel49
so what your saying is that even though meteorology has tracked and recorded weather for over 150 years that they cannot average these same variables to work on shorter ranges but they are extremly accurate predicting the future 200 years from now?
Your going to have to do better then that.

Ha, are you kidding? Think about the sun. Can we predict specific locations of solar flares a month a head of time? No. Yet we can predict that the sun will die out in a few billion years.

Climatologists are predicting rising average global temperatures, not a thunderstorm in Kentucky 100 years from now. It's different.

How fortunate for the scientists that they will be dead by the time their predictions may or may not come true.

 

[shoegazer]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
How fortunate for the scientists that they will be dead by the time their predictions may or may not come true.

Luckily science will continue without them and the accuracy of climate predictions will improve with every new piece of data we gain about present conditions and records of the past.

 

[dmcowen674]

2-26-2007Coastal Brits fret about having to give up coastal property due to global warming

HAPPISBURGH, England - A 12-bedroom guest house, with beautiful views of the North Sea, a lighthouse and sandy beaches, sounds like prime real estate.

But Cliff House is nearly worthless.

The offshore wooden barrier that once protected the sand and clay cliffs of this stretch of eastern English coast has broken apart, and the government has decided that with the expected rise in sea levels and storm surges that experts attribute to global warming, some vulnerable coastal areas are no longer worth defending.

The fears have grown more acute following the release this month of a report by scientists from 113 countries forecasting temperature rises of 2 to 11.5 degrees Fahrenheit and sea level rises of 7 to 23 inches by the end of the century.

It says global warming is almost certainly man-made.

He said citizens are being shown they can't keep building homes on islands and near lowlands and coastlines, especially in vulnerable areas where it no longer makes sense to rebuild offshore barriers.

"But the rate of erosion there now is phenomenal, in excess of 10 meters (33 feet) a year, because of sea level rise, the collapse of its offshore barrier and the fact that southeastern England is sinking," Dr. David Viner, a senior scientist at the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, said in an interview.

Viner said sea levels are now rising about 3 millimeters a year in that area, increasing to as much as 10 millimeters a year because of global warming.

 

[dmcowen674]

2-26-2007 Gore's global warming doc wins Oscar

LOS ANGELES - "An Inconvenient Truth," the documentary that turned former vice president Al Gore's power-point presentation on global warming into an engaging and entertaining film, won the Oscar Sunday night.

The best-documentary win was a triumph for Gore, who has kept a sense of humor about his loss in the 2000 election that was decided in George W. Bush's favor by a U.S. Supreme Court decision.

Instead, Gore said he was dedicating all his efforts to pressuring governments to act on climate-crisis issues.

"It is the overriding world challenge of our time," Gore said. "I really hope the decision by the academy to honor the work by director Davis Guggenheim and these producers will convince people who did not go see it before to see the movie and learn about the climate crisis and become a part of the solution."

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
2-26-2007 Gore's global warming doc wins Oscar

LOS ANGELES - "An Inconvenient Truth," the documentary that turned former vice president Al Gore's power-point presentation on global warming into an engaging and entertaining film, won the Oscar Sunday night.

The best-documentary win was a triumph for Gore, who has kept a sense of humor about his loss in the 2000 election that was decided in George W. Bush's favor by a U.S. Supreme Court decision.

Instead, Gore said he was dedicating all his efforts to pressuring governments to act on climate-crisis issues.

"It is the overriding world challenge of our time," Gore said. "I really hope the decision by the academy to honor the work by director Davis Guggenheim and these producers will convince people who did not go see it before to see the movie and learn about the climate crisis and become a part of the solution."

I think the real inconvenient truth is there are 6 Billion people on the planet and that number will only go up.

Everyone likes to blame the US for everything, but as India, China and Africa industrializes (as is shown by the pollution problems China is having right now) they will put far more pollutants into the air than the US ever could hope to.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
2-26-2007 Gore's global warming doc wins Oscar

LOS ANGELES - "An Inconvenient Truth," the documentary that turned former vice president Al Gore's power-point presentation on global warming into an engaging and entertaining film, won the Oscar Sunday night.

The best-documentary win was a triumph for Gore, who has kept a sense of humor about his loss in the 2000 election that was decided in George W. Bush's favor by a U.S. Supreme Court decision.

Instead, Gore said he was dedicating all his efforts to pressuring governments to act on climate-crisis issues.

"It is the overriding world challenge of our time," Gore said. "I really hope the decision by the academy to honor the work by director Davis Guggenheim and these producers will convince people who did not go see it before to see the movie and learn about the climate crisis and become a part of the solution."

I think the real inconvenient truth is there are 6 Billion people on the planet and that number will only go up.

Everyone likes to blame the US for everything, but as India, China and Africa industrializes (as is shown by the pollution problems China is having right now) they will put far more pollutants into the air than the US ever could hope to.

Another inconvenient truth is that we are already taking measured steps to do our part, regardless of any global warming. They?re making the wrong argument for their religious following.

 

[Genx87]

I only wonder if Al's rented jet is air conditioned. We cant have a figure head for conservation flying around in a private jet in discomfort now can we?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Everyone likes to blame the US for everything, but as India, China and Africa industrializes (as is shown by the pollution problems China is having right now) they will put far more pollutants into the air than the US ever could hope to.

It doesn't matter, with the price to drive a car going up so high the number of drivers in the U.S. will drop significantly with only the rich driving anyway.

 

[Corbett]

This just in.

Al's Oscar has been revoked.

Turns out, a documentary has to be based on fact to be nominated.

Better luck next time Al.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Corbett
This just in.

Al's Oscar has been revoked.

Turns out, a documentary has to be based on fact to be nominated.

Better luck next time Al.

Awwwwwww all this must be one heck of a nightmare for you and your buddies on here :laugh:

 

[Corbett]

Nightmare? Hardly.

More like a big joke!

Al Gore is a hypocrite. Flying around on a private jet to promote his propaganda movie. A jet that in fact puts out more emissions in one flight than a hummer does in an entire year.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Everyone likes to blame the US for everything, but as India, China and Africa industrializes (as is shown by the pollution problems China is having right now) they will put far more pollutants into the air than the US ever could hope to.

It doesn't matter, with the price to drive a car going up so high the number of drivers in the U.S. will drop significantly with only the rich driving anyway.

So only the rich and famous, like Gore and his Hollywood cronies will be polluting? I would mention CEOs, but you'll have witch hunts to tar and feather them.

As for inflation, perhaps you should look up the side effect of a punitive tax code if it bothers you so.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Everyone likes to blame the US for everything, but as India, China and Africa industrializes (as is shown by the pollution problems China is having right now) they will put far more pollutants into the air than the US ever could hope to.

It doesn't matter, with the price to drive a car going up so high the number of drivers in the U.S. will drop significantly with only the rich driving anyway.

So only the rich and famous, like Gore and his Hollywood cronies will be polluting? I would mention CEOs, but you'll have witch hunts to tar and feather them.

As for inflation, perhaps you should look up the side effect of a punitive tax code if it bothers you so.

Punitive - Now there's a word I haven't heard on 7 years

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Corbett
This just in.

Al's Oscar has been revoked.

Turns out, a documentary has to be based on fact to be nominated.

Better luck next time Al.

While I don't have an issue with calling Al a hypocrite -- as there are examples of it -- what parts of his film aren't based on facts? Let me guess, you don't believe in global warming?

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: Corbett
This just in.

Al's Oscar has been revoked.

Turns out, a documentary has to be based on fact to be nominated.

Better luck next time Al.

While I don't have an issue with calling Al a hypocrite -- as there are examples of it -- what parts of his film aren't based on facts? Let me guess, you don't believe in global warming?

No one should "Believe In" Global Warming....its not faith based.

Either its real or its not.

One shoud say I know for a fact or I don't know for a fact or its a work in progress but to say " I believe in Global Warming" is like making it your religion.

So in the context, no, I don't believe in Global Warming.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: Corbett
This just in.

Al's Oscar has been revoked.

Turns out, a documentary has to be based on fact to be nominated.

Better luck next time Al.

While I don't have an issue with calling Al a hypocrite -- as there are examples of it -- what parts of his film aren't based on facts? Let me guess, you don't believe in global warming?

No one should "Believe In" Global Warming....its not faith based.

Either its real or its not.

One shoud say I know for a fact or I don't know for a fact or its a work in progress but to say " I believe in Global Warming" is like making it your religion.

So in the context, no, I don't believe in Global Warming.

Thank you for playing an asinine game of semantics.

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
2-26-2007 Gore's global warming doc wins Oscar

LOS ANGELES - "An Inconvenient Truth," the documentary that turned former vice president Al Gore's power-point presentation on global warming into an engaging and entertaining film, won the Oscar Sunday night.

The best-documentary win was a triumph for Gore, who has kept a sense of humor about his loss in the 2000 election that was decided in George W. Bush's favor by a U.S. Supreme Court decision.

Instead, Gore said he was dedicating all his efforts to pressuring governments to act on climate-crisis issues.

"It is the overriding world challenge of our time," Gore said. "I really hope the decision by the academy to honor the work by director Davis Guggenheim and these producers will convince people who did not go see it before to see the movie and learn about the climate crisis and become a part of the solution."

I think the real inconvenient truth is there are 6 Billion people on the planet and that number will only go up.

Everyone likes to blame the US for everything, but as India, China and Africa industrializes (as is shown by the pollution problems China is having right now) they will put far more pollutants into the air than the US ever could hope to.

Per capita the US isn't the worst.