what are you doing to that poor car?
This kind of stuff baffles me. If my 07 Impala with the 3.9 liter engine can get 29 mpg going down the interstate, how the hell does a Hybrid Civic only do a few MPG better than that?
Granted, I am sure you referring to mixed driving, but even mixed driving the Impala gets about 24, so a 7 MPG improvement for a smaller Hybrid seems like a poor investment to me.
And, as Trident mentioned, how the hell does Honda not make one iota of an improvement in terms of MPG? I don't care what material build differences you incorporate, have they done nothing to improve the economy of their vehicles?
Not me. Believe me with the anemic hp it's hard for me to do much of anything to it. As another poster alluded above, Honda screwed up the way the car handles the battery power.
There will always be people that need trucks, and those people will buy trucks.
However, the people that buy trucks just to look cool are stopping that kind of wasteful behavior.
Oil prices and rapidly developing nations (India, China, etc) also have a lot to do with that. There are a lot more drinkers at the well.
I think the only real way to correct the problem is to abandon the gas tax and institute a mileage tax. A real accounting also needs to be done in terms of capital road construction cost and ongoing maintenance/replacement to determine what an appropriate level should be.
$3000 and 50 mpg were his numbers, I just finished the math for him. Feel free to use whatever costs you want in your math. I'm number neutral.Explain to me how you are going to cut the fuel consumption of a vehicle in half for $3000.
I was waiting for you to say that, it's been the holy grail of policy makers recently. Penalize people who want to drive fuel efficient cars? If that's the case then I'll not care about the fuel efficiency of my car because the big cost is going to only be how much I drive.
But you and I both know that when the "per mile gas tax" is enacted, the current tax on it will not be eliminated. But we'll stick it to those folks who bought hybrids by goly! Let's get them!
It's truly frightening to see so many supporting a 1 dollar tax increase on gas. If you want to drive a small efficient car then by all means do so, but to force the rest of us to pay for it for you is sickening. Or somehow "penalize" folks for not living the way you want them to with their car choices.
Yet you have a pic of a lambo in your avatar that probably gets 8mpg. Wtf? Would you be okay if they required all cars to get 45+ mpg? That would mean much less horsepower, smaller engines, rear ends geared for highway mileage instead of 0-60 times, etc.. It's a two way street.
I would probably have never purchased another GM car for the rest of my life any way, but this pretty much seals the deal.
Why not have an inverted tax on vehicles that get worse gas mileage, but big time. I.e. gas guzzling trucks and large SUVs get slapped with a $3000 tax.
I am not talking about a new vehicle, i.e. every time you register the plates!
That would do the same thing, but wouldn't penalize those that are already using fuel efficient vehicles.
Generally shippers lean a lot more heavily on rail transport for long distance transport when fuel prices go up for a sustained period of time. This happened back in 07-08 when prices spiked. Truck manufacturers are also not blind and have have been working hard the last few years at increasing the mpg of their lines.
Why not have an inverted tax on vehicles that get worse gas mileage, but big time. I.e. gas guzzling trucks and large SUVs get slapped with a $3000 tax.
I am not talking about a new vehicle, i.e. every time you register the plates!
That would do the same thing, but wouldn't penalize those that are already using fuel efficient vehicles.
I understand that they have been working to improve their MPG but, since they start out at such low numbers (6-7 MPG IIRC) a tax on gas for them will be a much greater burden than someone who gets 21MPG for driving a truck or SUV
Of course a milage tax would hit them pretty heavily too
It is mostly highway. Hybrids do better stop and go driving. However, the poor mpg is a known issue with the Civic Hybrid due to the way the battery is used. Honda won't address it...or maybe more appropriately can't fix it.
If a 1996 Honda Civic DX gets 40+ mpg while the new Civics maybe get 30-35 on highway... wtf is going on? (2012 one says 28 city, 39 highway... I'm wondering how combined will do) If anything, it's less OR breaking even.
About 15 years to improve and NO IMRPOVEMENTS
A 1996 getting 40+ mpg? There's no way. I have a 1999 Honda Civic DX, same generation, same 1.6L 4 cylinder engine, and the best mine has ever done was about 32-33mpg on 100% highway during a trip from Florida to Georgia. It typically gets 26-28mpg on a combination of highway and city.
A 1996 getting 40+ mpg? There's no way. I have a 1999 Honda Civic DX, same generation, same 1.6L 4 cylinder engine, and the best mine has ever done was about 32-33mpg on 100% highway during a trip from Florida to Georgia. It typically gets 26-28mpg on a combination of highway and city.
Way.
1996 Honda Civic DX. It gets 40+ mpg. http://www.fuelly.com/car/honda/civic/1996 Some get less, some get more.
Some get 40mpg+, some don't.