GM CEO wants gas tax to go up $1/gal (WTH?)

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TridenT

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Your link backs him up. The majority get in his range, not yours. Let alone that is a non-scientfic sample so the rates are higher then average.

But it can be achieved, which is my point... And his point was "no fucking way"
 

K1052

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Diesel and Gasoline have differant tax rates.

But raising rates on diesel would make trucking companies look at milage even more and would make the makers of rigs work harder for fuel milage.

That's already happening. Truck makers have been paying a lot more attention to aerodynamics as the low hanging fruit. Some companies now offer hybrid trucks for delivery service or city routes.
 

TridenT

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No it can't be achieved by most.

I be willing to bet the few that got that were hypermiling at best or just outright lieing.

My cousin owns one. She gets the 40+mpg. She doesn't hypermile at all. She has a 1996 Honda Civic DX.
 

LTC8K6

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The tax is supposed to be a highway use tax isn't it? I think that's where they are going. Those of you who drive a lot, are the ones who will get shafted. Use the highway more, pay more.
 

Vette73

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My cousin owns one. She gets the 40+mpg. She doesn't hypermile at all. She has a 1996 Honda Civic DX.


My cousin drives a airplane to work thats powered by donuts.

<He told me so and its on the internet-its true>
 

TridenT

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My cousin drives a airplane to work that runs on donuts.

<He told me so and its on the internet-its true>

And I happen to have been in the car with her a lot when she gets these 40+ mpg runs... She drives normally.
 

Avalon

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But it can be achieved, which is my point... And his point was "no fucking way"

I never said "no fucking way." I'm not trying to be rude, if that's what you're implying. If you're going to quote me, I said "There's no way."

I looked at your link. It's a fairly primitive website that gets its information from user submissions, something I would hardly call reliable. We were clearly talking about stock vehicles, since you were implying that Honda hasn't made a Civic that can do 40+ mpg since 1996. I suppose if you modified the hell out of one, it could do 40mpg highway, but so would a new one.

BTW, I'm not disagreeing with you on the rest of your post. It's true that Honda has not improved mileage hardly at all since then. I was just merely commenting on the 40+mpg part.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/12606.shtml
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/30603.shtml
 
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LegendKiller

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My parents are in their 50s and looking for a new vehicle, which wil be an SUV. I'm their only child and I'm on my own and own my own car, so why do they even need it?

The simply answer is that my mom likes SUVs. She's been driving one for the past 11 years and she feels more comfortable driving one, especially in bad weather. My dad is fairly neutral on the topic but also likes SUVs. They might not need an SUV, but they can definitely afford it and they're willing to pay, so who am I to try and convince them otherwise?

I lived in MN for 22 years. While there I drove a RWD Ford Ranger (non 4x4, empty bed except for 40lb sand bags), a FWD Grand Caravan, a conversion van, and a Toyota Tercel. Never once did I go into the ditch or spin out. This winter I had to drive from JFK airport to Connecticut in a blizzard. Didn't spin out, didn't have a single problem in my Honda Accord.

Only a fool thinks that the type of vehicle can help you in bad weather more than a good brain and driving skills. Ironically, I've seen more SUVs on the side of the roads in MN and the north east than I saw cars. Maybe that's more due to the *feeling* of "safety" SUVs drivers have.
 

Exterous

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Diesel and Gasoline have differant tax rates.

But raising rates on diesel would make trucking companies look at milage even more and would make the makers of rigs work harder for fuel milage.


Look at boeing. One of the biggest things they brag about the 777 is its fuel usage. Its a big selling point.

I understand that but if the goal is to get more fuel efficient cars then I am not sure just taxing gasoline is a good idea as the stated goal can be circumvented by buying a diesel vehicle - assuming one can afford to do so

If they slowly increased this tax over a number of years I would be ok with the increase but to do so quickly (IMO) would hurt the economy. Not everyone can afford a new car. Not everyone can change where they live in relation to their work. The less financially prosperous would be harder hit by this as well as they have less disposable income available to absord the tax/make the car/drive distance changes
 

Avalon

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Vette73

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I understand that but if the goal is to get more fuel efficient cars then I am not sure just taxing gasoline is a good idea as the stated goal can be circumvented by buying a diesel vehicle - assuming one can afford to do so

If they slowly increased this tax over a number of years I would be ok with the increase but to do so quickly (IMO) would hurt the economy. Not everyone can afford a new car. Not everyone can change where they live in relation to their work. The less financially prosperous would be harder hit by this as well as they have less disposable income available to absord the tax/make the car/drive distance changes


Oh I agree a sharp one time hugh jump would be awful.

Look at gas prices. When they hit $2 a gallon people were freaking out. They hit $3 and people were freaking out. They then hit $4 and people were freaking out. They then cam down to the low $3's and people were super happy. :whiste:

Yep that makes sense.


But yea $.10 every year for 5-10 years or even better adjust it as tax on the price, not per gallon.
 

Aikouka

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If you're talking about fees when you register your vehicle to replace the gas tax, why not base it on curb weight combined with miles driven? The only hard thing would be proving the miles driven between two periods. They'd probably have to institute recording the odometer value now and implement it the next year so they can just take a difference.

The gas tax tries to take a similar approach as it will tax you if you drive more, but it also hurts if your vehicle isn't as efficient or depending on the type of driving (city vs highway). I know I can go from 26-27MPG to 19-20MPG just by having a lot more city-based driving. But I've had my car for over 4 years now and I haven't even put 30k miles on it .
 

Capt Caveman

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I lived in MN for 22 years. While there I drove a RWD Ford Ranger (non 4x4, empty bed except for 40lb sand bags), a FWD Grand Caravan, a conversion van, and a Toyota Tercel. Never once did I go into the ditch or spin out. This winter I had to drive from JFK airport to Connecticut in a blizzard. Didn't spin out, didn't have a single problem in my Honda Accord.

Only a fool thinks that the type of vehicle can help you in bad weather more than a good brain and driving skills. Ironically, I've seen more SUVs on the side of the roads in MN and the north east than I saw cars. Maybe that's more due to the *feeling* of "safety" SUVs drivers have.

Having a AWD SUV makes life easier, especially when dealing with the elements.
 

AnonymouseUser

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One of my first cars was an '81 VW Rabbit Diesel which got close to 50mpg on a regular basis. It's a shame cars aren't doing better than that 30 years later.

The little Rabbit, combined with the optional 1.5l 4 cylinder Diesel delivered superb fuel economy (45 mpg city/up to 57 mpg highway)
 

TridenT

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lol.. unless the gas pump lies and her odometer is lying too... she gets 40mpg+ regularly.
 

mvbighead

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My brothers V8 Dodge Ram 4x4 gets 85 mpg runs. I've seen it!

While very few are fans of TridenT on here (and it is easy to see why), why the hell is a 40+ MPG estimate so hard to buy?

And when a few other users are reporting 38, 39, 37 and other numbers that seem to validate his claim, I can't see how 40 is purely out of question. Hell, my Jeep GC with a 4.7 L V8 on one trip averaged 23 MPG. But since:

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2000_Jeep_Grand_Cherokee.shtml

says the max is 19-20, you all would insist on saying... no way, can't happen!

Meh, if TridenT is driving on relatively flat ground, with good quality gas, limited wind affecting his travel, exceeding the estimate is certainly not out of question. It's called a bell curve folks... Some Civic drivers average 28, some 33, and some maybe upwards of 40. Driving styles, hills, gas quality, and a number of other things factor in.
 
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