GM CEO wants gas tax to go up $1/gal (WTH?)

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sixone

Lifer
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One more reason not to buy a GM vehicle.

He ought to be worrying about how to pay back the money his company took from taxpayers, instead of preaching that crap.
 

Bateluer

Lifer
Jun 23, 2001
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When I go car shopping next spring, it won't be for a GM vehicle. Thats all I can say.
 

drinkmorejava

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Hardly, just trying to break through the ridiculous impasses we have had with projects such as the windfarm off of Martha's Vineyard or the solar projects in CA in the middle of the desert that people hate because it was a turtle nesting place 100 years ago. As far as personal property rights, as long as you are compensated for your property, what's the issue?

Which other issues on waste? We're talking about gas taxes, aren't we?

The issue is that if it's your property, you should be the one who decides how it's used and when or if you sell it. If some one else comes up with a reason they want it more and can force you to sell it, the idea that it was yours in the first place is null.

If someone's home gets blown up by a gas main explosion that was the utilities fault, they will be properly compensated, but they're still going to be pissed. Why, because it was their home. They put time into it to make it the way they liked it; they may have had an emotional connection; they don't want to spend the weeks or months of their life dealing with it. Things are more than financial assets to people.

The topic is gas taxes, but I was trying to figure out how far you extend your concept of inefficient allocation=bad to the other aspects of people's lives.
 
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Fenixgoon

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Interesting, but I don't have the money to buy a new car that is efficient...

btw, last I checked... new cars aren't earth shatteringly more efficient.

If a 1996 Honda Civic DX gets 40+ mpg while the new Civics maybe get 30-35 on highway... wtf is going on? (2012 one says 28 city, 39 highway... I'm wondering how combined will do) If anything, it's less OR breaking even.

About 15 years to improve and NO IMRPOVEMENTS

safety requirements. emissions requirements.
 

Squisher

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Aug 17, 2000
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Again, don't preach to me about height in rural areas. I grew up on a dirt road in rural MN and drove non-SUV vehicles the majority of the time.
And, if you had a SUV your driving would have been more pleasurable
MNDOT studies show that SUVs are really no saver in winter and are, overall, actually worse. That's because they are heavier and slow at a slower pace and flip easier since they are higher.
I'm sure once you lose control of a vehicle in winter it's better to be in a lower vehicle. I prefer to remain in control of my 4X4 pickup.

Even then, how much do you really need it? Heavy snow winter is ~5mo in MN, of that, the roads are probably bad about 30 days total. That means that about 90% of the time you get no practical benefit from AWD/4x4. Even then, the practical benefit of the SUV isn't 10%, since most of that time a car will work perfectly. Let's say you get 3 days where the roads are unpassable via car and your SUV saves the day. That means that less than 1% of the time, per year, you'll get some sort of benefit.

Does an SUV cost more than 1% than a sedan? Absolutely, considering 99% of the time you're being charged 50% more in gas costs.
Who said anything about need? I said prefer. I could just walk, but I prefer to be in my pickup when the snow is heavy.

Silly, utterly silly. The inability to rationalize one's purchases causes a huge amount of waste. If the US reduced our oil consumption by even 10%, that'd save over $40bn per year. 50% would save the US economy ~200bn, that's just in today's prices, just with direct costs. Naturally, as US oil usage went down, prices would go down (supply/demand), so the overall we could probably save ~250bn. Just by one simple change.

That's why I wouldn't be bothered by a $1/gal tax. In fact, it would gain my emphatic support if it went into a trust to fund alt. energy projects mandated by a non-partisan appointed body of scientists and engineers that had eminent domain to built alt energy plants.

But I'm just a European socialist anyway.
If you read my earlier posts, I'm very much so in favor of gas taxes and the removal of CAFE standards. That way if people want to drive SUVs they can. The way it is now you won't even be able to buy a minivan if they keep raising the CAFE standards or that minivan will cost $100K because it'll be all carbon fiber, aluminum, and titanium powered by fairy dust.

Heck, raise the gas tax $2/gal. however I could care less about government run think tanks taking my money, reduce income taxes an appropriate amount to make the $2/gal. move revenue neutral.
 

Kirby

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Apr 10, 2006
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awesome. awesome to the max :thumbsup: what's it going in?

Maybe the 280Z, if not I'll pick up another old Z. The 280 is limited edition (don't know if it's worth more), but I'm debating whether or not to bastardize a car that less than 1500 were made.

I got a long way to go, but definitely going to happen one day.
 

Squisher

Lifer
Aug 17, 2000
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One more reason not to buy a GM vehicle.

He ought to be worrying about how to pay back the money his company took from taxpayers, instead of preaching that crap.

The government is one calling the shots here. They don't want to sell stock for less than $33/share. Everyone is looking at 2012. GM doesn't want the restrictions that the government has put on executive pay. They say it is stopping them from recruiting the best and brightest.

http://www.detnews.com/article/20110512/AUTO01/105120437
 

ponyo

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Maybe the 280Z, if not I'll pick up another old Z. The 280 is limited edition (don't know if it's worth more), but I'm debating whether or not to bastardize a car that less than 1500 were made.

I got a long way to go, but definitely going to happen one day.

Sometimes the easy way is the best way. You know GM did pretty good job with LS2 and LS3 in Corvette. While the engine is good, the car isn't bad either.

Back to the OP, I can't think of single GM small car that is desirable or can even compete. If you take out the fullsize trucks, vans, and SUVs, there's really nothing desirable from GM. Well there is the Corvette and CTS-V but not too many people can afford those.
 
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