GM launches new hybrid transmission

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GM launches new hybrid transmission
David Shepardson / Detroit News Washington bureau
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb...71029/UPDATE/710290427

WHITE MARSH, Md. -- General Motors Corp. began production today of the first American-designed advanced hybrid transmission at its plant just outside Baltimore.

The two-mode-mode hybrid transmission will debut in the 2008 Chevrolet Tahoe Hybrid and 2008 GMC Yukon Hybrid, the industry's only full-size hybrid SUVs.

The new vehicles get a 50 percent improvement in fuel efficiency in city driving and an overall improvement of 31 percent. That comes as automakers are under pressure to improve fuel efficiency, amid soaring oil prices and growing calls in Congress to impose tough new standards.


In addition to GM designing and producing the two-mode transmission in the United States, more than 75 percent of the program's suppliers are U.S.-based in 16 states. Ford Motor Co. launched its Ford Escape Hybrid in 2004, licensing hybrid technology from Toyota.

GM invested $118 million to prepare the Baltimore Transmission Plant for production of the two-mode transmission, including new machinery and tooling and a 100,000 sq. ft. addition.

Adding gasoline-electric hybrid engines to larger vehicles is a growing trend among automakers. Toyota has added hybrid engines to some of its largest vehicles, including its Toyota Highlander, Lexus RX 400h, and its Lexus 600h.

"We're transforming our corporation and our products for greener pastures at a raid pace," said John Buttermore, GM powertrain vice president for global manufacturing. "We are showing that an American workforce is up to the task and can take the lead in advanced technology."

GM's Arlington, Texas, assembly plant will begin building the hybrid vehicles next month.

GM made the announcement at a press event attended by Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley, its two U.S. senators, Ben Cardin and Barbara Mikulski, both Democrats, and U.S. Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger. Cardin and Mikulski are key votes in the ongoing fight over fuel economy legislation in the Senate.

Both voted for a Senate energy bill in June that passed 65-27 that would hike fuel efficiency standards by 40 percent by 2020 to a fleet-wide average of 35 miles per gallon for cars and trucks combined.

Detroit's three automakers and Toyota Motor Corp. oppose the Senate bill but back slightly softer legislation in the House that would hike fuel economy standards by between 28 percent and 40 percent by 2022 to between 32 mpg and 35 mpg. House and Senate staffers are working long-hours to try to reach a compromise before Congress adjourns for the year.

GM has made a big bet on hybrids after falling behind Toyota, which launched the Prius gasoline-electric hybrid in 2000. Buttermore noted that the hybrid version of the Cadillac Escalade, a full-size SUV that carries eight passengers, will offer 332 horsepower, a towing capacity of 6,200 lbs and "the same city fuel economy as a Toyota Camry.". He added that the vehicles have "no compromises in performance or functionality" -- a slight dig at some hybrids like the Prius that are smaller and have less horsepower than other four-door sedans.

Next year, the Baltimore Transmission Plant will begin building two-mode hybrid transmissions for another five hybrid vehicles, including the Escalade and the Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra crew cab full-size pickups.

An industry first for any full-size SUV, the patented two-mode hybrid system allows the Tahoe and Yukon to return exceptional fuel economy in both city and highway driving while still delivering full-size SUV performance. Two-wheel-drive Tahoe and Yukon Hybrid models, for example, deliver 21 mpg in the city, a 50-percent improvement over their 5.3L engine non-hybrid siblings and the same city fuel economy as the much-smaller 2008 2.4L-equipped Toyota Camry sedan.

The new vehicles will be on the market in early December. The hybrid versions of 2008 Tahoe Hybrid and 2008 GMC Yukon Hybrids get 21 mpg city/22 mpg on the highway for a combined 21 mpg. The non-hybrid versions get 14 mpg city/20 highway for a combined 16 mpg. GM hasn't announced pricing but said it will be "competitive."

GM's two-mode hybrid transmission reduces fuel consumption by providing electric-only launch and drive capability, engine-off at idle and during vehicle deceleration, electric boost to assist the gas engine and capturing electric energy during vehicle deceleration.

GM's two-mode hybrid transmission has two electric motors and four fixed gears, packaged within the same space as a conventional automatic transmission. This arrangement allows electrically variable operation, as well as providing four fixed gear ratios, providing advantages in combined fuel economy, dynamics and towing capability.

GM's Baltimore Transmission facility opened in 2000 and its 415 hourly and salaried workers also build the A1000 Series automatic transmission.
 

nakedfrog

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So is this thing too big/heavy to put in cars, or will they just not see enough benefit to justify it?
 

Nyati13

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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
So is this thing too big/heavy to put in cars, or will they just not see enough benefit to justify it?

It's a normal battery electric/gas engine hybrid, it isn't a new way of doing a hybrid. It's built with the much larger V8 engine, but it functions exactly the same way as any other battery electric hybrid.

A 50% increase sounds great, then they mention that the normal all gas version gets 14mpg.
 

Ktulu

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Originally posted by: Nyati13
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
So is this thing too big/heavy to put in cars, or will they just not see enough benefit to justify it?

It's a normal battery electric/gas engine hybrid, it isn't a new way of doing a hybrid. It's built with the much larger V8 engine, but it functions exactly the same way as any other battery electric hybrid.

A 50% increase sounds great, then they mention that the normal all gas version gets 14mpg.

Then they mention that the increase gives it equal city mileage to a 4 cylinder Camry.

 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: Nyati13
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
So is this thing too big/heavy to put in cars, or will they just not see enough benefit to justify it?

It's a normal battery electric/gas engine hybrid, it isn't a new way of doing a hybrid. It's built with the much larger V8 engine, but it functions exactly the same way as any other battery electric hybrid.

A 50% increase sounds great, then they mention that the normal all gas version gets 14mpg.

Then they mention that the increase gives it equal city mileage to a 4 cylinder Camry.

I did not see the 4cyl part? That and the city milage hits the V6 but the 4cyl seem to be a couple higher. That is comparing the 2007 camry to these 2008 GM SUVs.


Just found the 2008 camry and the 4cyl does only get 21mpg in the city.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/24401.shtml


 

fbrdphreak

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The 2008+ EPA ratings are harsh on vehicles, so 21MPG city is AWESOME for a 2.5 ton+ SUV. Kudos to GM
 

Nyati13

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Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: Nyati13
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
So is this thing too big/heavy to put in cars, or will they just not see enough benefit to justify it?

It's a normal battery electric/gas engine hybrid, it isn't a new way of doing a hybrid. It's built with the much larger V8 engine, but it functions exactly the same way as any other battery electric hybrid.

A 50% increase sounds great, then they mention that the normal all gas version gets 14mpg.

Then they mention that the increase gives it equal city mileage to a 4 cylinder Camry.

It's pretty pathetic that the 4 cyl Camry gets mileage like that.

I was poking the idea that GM had developed a special transmission that could be applied to any car and produce a 50% improvement, and pointing out that when you're starting out with lower mileage, it's easier to get big% improvements.
 

Strk

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Originally posted by: Nyati13
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: Nyati13
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
So is this thing too big/heavy to put in cars, or will they just not see enough benefit to justify it?

It's a normal battery electric/gas engine hybrid, it isn't a new way of doing a hybrid. It's built with the much larger V8 engine, but it functions exactly the same way as any other battery electric hybrid.

A 50% increase sounds great, then they mention that the normal all gas version gets 14mpg.

Then they mention that the increase gives it equal city mileage to a 4 cylinder Camry.

It's pretty pathetic that the 4 cyl Camry gets mileage like that.

I was poking the idea that GM had developed a special transmission that could be applied to any car and produce a 50% improvement, and pointing out that when you're starting out with lower mileage, it's easier to get big% improvements.

Why? Is the vehicle any smaller? Does it weigh less? I'd say managing to get the mileage of a midsize sedan out of a three ton SUV is pretty good.

It would be nice to see this system in one of their sedans though. GM doesn't really have a good four cylinder to put it with, but the 3.6 v6 is a great engine.
 

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I guess the old saying is true " history repeats itself". Am I the only one on here who is old enough to remember that it used to be that every automatic car only had 2 speeds? All the GM models had 2 speed trannys called the "Powerglide" .

I find it funny that since the early '90s every auto maker has been saying more speeds were better. Hell some even have 6 speeds now. So I wonder what made them change their minds now ?
 
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Originally posted by: TNshadows
I guess the old saying is true " history repeats itself". Am I the only one on here who is old enough to remember that it used to be that every automatic car only had 2 speeds? All the GM models had 2 speed trannys called the "Powerglide" .

I find it funny that since the early '90s every auto maker has been saying more speeds were better. Hell some even have 6 speeds now. So I wonder what made them change their minds now ?

Read the article, this is not a two speed transmission, this is a 4 speed transmission packaged with a couple of electric motors.
 

MovingTarget

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Sigh. I wish this would herald the return of the true full size sedan. It used to be what American automakers did best. With the demise of the Caprice, GM has been lacking in that area. The Impala is large/roomy, but you can' t compare a car like that to a true body-on-frame RWD construction. The only one left is the Crown Vic (and derivatives like the town car), which is produced by Ford, but even that isn't expected to be produced too much longer.
 

redgtxdi

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Most important to me will be how close they'll be able to hit that 21mpg number in the city!!!

(I think Nissan already met a huge disappointment in the Altima hybrid when it wasn't even CLOSE to the mpg # they projected).

??????

If folks start buyin' these things & end up gettin' something like 17/18, that definitely won't bode well for their image!
 
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Originally posted by: Strk
Originally posted by: Nyati13
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: Nyati13
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
So is this thing too big/heavy to put in cars, or will they just not see enough benefit to justify it?

It's a normal battery electric/gas engine hybrid, it isn't a new way of doing a hybrid. It's built with the much larger V8 engine, but it functions exactly the same way as any other battery electric hybrid.

A 50% increase sounds great, then they mention that the normal all gas version gets 14mpg.
Then they mention that the increase gives it equal city mileage to a 4 cylinder Camry.

It's pretty pathetic that the 4 cyl Camry gets mileage like that.

I was poking the idea that GM had developed a special transmission that could be applied to any car and produce a 50% improvement, and pointing out that when you're starting out with lower mileage, it's easier to get big% improvements.
Why? Is the vehicle any smaller? Does it weigh less? I'd say managing to get the mileage of a midsize sedan out of a three ton SUV is pretty good.

It would be nice to see this system in one of their sedans though. GM doesn't really have a good four cylinder to put it with, but the 3.6 v6 is a great engine.
The Saturn Vue will get this 2-mode with the 3.6L V6 later in 2008.

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/1...pg-highway-for-24-795/
 

Demon-Xanth

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The advantage of implementing it into a transmission is that it can be fitted to other vehicles without having to re-engineer the entire powertrain just to work with it. The added cost and complexity goes down, which is the #1 downside of a hybrid. I can see this being adapted to other transmissions in their line if it proves to be successful.

Comparing the benefit, assuming 12,000 miles a year, $3/gal gas price:
Tahoe:
standard: 14MPG, burns 857 gallons, $2571/year.
hybrid: 21MPG, burns 571 gallons, $1714/year.
Savings: 286 gallons, $857/year.

Civic:
standard: 25MPG, 480 gallons, $1440/year
hybrid: 40MPG, 300 gallons, $900/year
Savings: 180 gallons, $540/year

(numbers are all EPA city figures)
I'd say that the best benefit is in relatively poor performing vehicles. If it costs an extra $5k to install the system, the Civic will need 9 years to pay for itself while the Tahoe will need 6.
 

redgtxdi

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Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
(numbers are all EPA city figures)
I'd say that the best benefit is in relatively poor performing vehicles. If it costs an extra $5k to install the system, the Civic will need 9 years to pay for itself while the Tahoe will need 6.


And I agree with you..............**** IF ****** (HuuuuUUUUuuuge IF) those suckers will actually get 21mpg!!!!!!!!!

Not 20.5,..............TWENTY-ONE!

Not, "19 is close enough to 20, which makes 21 fair"..........but a for-real TWENTY-ONE!!

(in case I wasn't clear enough the first time)
 

senseamp

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GM needs to make a hybrid Hummer H2. That will make enviromentalists' heads explode.
 

Demon-Xanth

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Originally posted by: senseamp
GM needs to make a hybrid Hummer H2. That will make enviromentalists' heads explode.

If they can get one of those diamond lane stickers on the back of it, it'll be hilarity^2
 
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