GM signs deal to move electric car development to China

[Fern]

How did I misunderstand you? Sounds like you think their only way to survive is to be poorer than us. I still haven't heard you give a response to the fact that they can (and are doing it) build up a middle-class economy. For most of its history the US has had an extremely powerful largely domestic economy.

I initially wondered aloud what the end-game to their actions were. Observing that eventually we would be poorer than them, thus no longer a good customer.

I then asked if that was all there is to it, or if once they were richer than us did they intend to take it further. I see them as very long term planners/strategists, thus is there some further objective then merely stealing away our economy and becoming richer than us?

I then remarked that I was of the opinion they were at economic war with us. Note I did not say "competition". What are the typical objectives of war? Gain territory/occupy, colonize, take resources, force regime change, maybe some I'm forgetting. (I suppose one could say they are pretty damned effective at stealing our resources- intellectual property - now.) I.e., are they planning any of these?

If you think they are simply trying to improve their economy with no further objective then my question is is moot from your perspective.

Fern

 

[Gintaras]

That's how it starts, but it won't stay that way. Given the huge trade advantage China has, once everything is established, GM would be foolish to NOT build those cars in China and export them back to here. Oh, and they also would have been designed in China by that point. So much for GM being a "domestic" auto manufacturer.

Do you read what you type/post on here?

 

[Fern]

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Their end goal is, imo, the same as just about every other country/group/person and that is power. How did the US become the worlds super power? Our economy, a large portion of which was internal during our rise to power. They have the potential (due to sheer population) to far exceed that, so why would they try and reinvent the wheel?

We are a relatively benevolent super power. However, we do tend to work against govt unlike ours, particularly communist and/or dictatorships.

All the others I can think of at the moment, USSR, France and England sought expansion, particularly the USSR. Of course France and England also colonized but I think that was primarily to plunder resources.

So I could rephrase my question into 'what would China's objectives and actions be towards us and others if they were the world's only super power?'

I'm having trouble envisioning it as benevolent in any way.

Fern

 

[Darwin333]

We are a relatively benevolent super power. However, we do tend to work against govt unlike ours, particularly communist and/or dictatorships.

All the others I can think of at the moment, USSR, France and England sought expansion, particularly the USSR. Of course France and England also colonized but I think that was primarily to plunder resources.

So I could rephrase my question into 'what would China's objectives and actions be towards us and others if they were the world's only super power?'

I'm having trouble envisioning it as benevolent in any way.

Fern

I have no idea what their intentions as a superpower would be. Looking at our own history and extrapolating into the future, I could think of a few good ways to ensure that you have the ability to retain it for much longer.

Personally, I think that economic domination trumps military domination all day long. Look at us now, our military trumps China's by a very large margin but here we are discussing the day when they can trump us. Not because of their military but because of their economy, "starve the beast" as they say while at the very same time they gain the means to feed their own beast.

Slowly but surely they build theirs while slowly but surely ours is weakened. What would they do with the power that we currently wield, I don't know. I do know that, on our current course, we will eventually find out though.

 

[Darwin333]

Do you read what you type/post on here?

Do you believe that China is incapable of exporting cars to us at some point in the very near future with the help of someone like, I dunno, GM?

 

[Gintaras]

Do you believe that China is incapable of exporting cars to us at some point in the very near future with the help of someone like, I dunno, GM?

I would believe, if you could make to China underwear for exchange in cars they would make for you...

ECONOMY - IS THE TWO WAY STREET....

Back to the basics: You grow tomatoes, I do grow cucumbers... You do need cucumbers, you go to me...I need tomatoes - I do go to you.
What we both have - AN ECONOMY...

Both - tomatoes and cucumbers WON NOT come to those, who lie on the couch and all they do - spit to the ceiling....while thinking, someone will deliver tomatoes and cucumbers pretty soon...

 

[Triumph]

Do you read what you type/post on here?

Do you comprehend what you read on here?

 

[Triumph]

I would believe, if you could make to China underwear for exchange in cars they would make for you...

ECONOMY - IS THE TWO WAY STREET....

Back to the basics: You grow tomatoes, I do grow cucumbers... You do need cucumbers, you go to me...I need tomatoes - I do go to you.
What we both have - AN ECONOMY...

Both - tomatoes and cucumbers WON NOT come to those, who lie on the couch and all they do - spit to the ceiling....while thinking, someone will deliver tomatoes and cucumbers pretty soon...

Ahahaha...I'm sorry, but I find the irony here incredibly amusing:

Do you read what you type/post on here?

Ahahaha...