GM vs Toyota

[AdamK47]

Originally posted by: SuperSix
Hahahaha..

GM stuffing the ballot box to win that "poll"..

GM Stuffs the Ballot Box!
Slipping behind Toyota in sales, the giant automaker manipulates a Newsweek online survey, turning on the vote in a drive worthy of Karl Rove.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17553636/site/newsweek/

That being said - I am a GM fan.

It's about time GM started fighting back on all these doom and gloom articles about them. That includes invalidating their pathetic poll.

 

[AdamK47]

Originally posted by: secretanchitman
toyota > gm. we have a 1992 toyota previa...still running like a charm, though all of the speakers except the back left sub works.

I have a 1994 Chevrolet Corvette... still running like a charm. All the speakers work.

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: AdamK47

Originally posted by: secretanchitman
toyota > gm. we have a 1992 toyota previa...still running like a charm, though all of the speakers except the back left sub works.

I have a 1994 Chevrolet Corvette... still running like a charm. All the speakers work.

I have a 93 Corolla. Runs perfectly, has 200,000+ miles. Everything works. And, extremely few repairs were needed. I can't even remember what the last one was actually.

 

[Lemodular]

Did Toyota make themselves No. 1 or did the US consumer?
Did they(Toyota) falsly sold the inferior cars to the US market as good reliable vehicles?
and is the US population so stupid to keep bying these unreliable cars, aafter all these years?


I guess shame on Toyota.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: AdamK47

Originally posted by: secretanchitman
toyota > gm. we have a 1992 toyota previa...still running like a charm, though all of the speakers except the back left sub works.

I have a 1994 Chevrolet Corvette... still running like a charm. All the speakers work.

I have a 93 Corolla. Runs perfectly, has 200,000+ miles. Everything works. And, extremely few repairs were needed. I can't even remember what the last one was actually.

And here we go with the stories. I drove a 1983 Chevrolet Malibu as my first car. Consumer Reports (back when the car was released) said this car would malfunction, not last very long, rattle, etc...

200,000+ Miles and 20 years later, it was still running just as smooth as when my parents bought it new with almost all of it's compression. There were 0 rattles and it's been the most reliable car my family has owned including Nissans and Hondas.

Of course, to each their own. You can statistically buy quite a few cars made by GM that are better and more reliable than Toyota, and of course GM KILLS Toyota in quality when it comes to trucks.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Originally posted by: totalcommand
Who the F cares about trucks. Most of us here drive sedans and compacts, and in those categories Toyota absolutely destroys GM. Even in terms of looks now which is pathetic for GM!

~55% of all vehicles sold in the United States every year are SUVs and trucks. So who cares about trucks? Um, more than half of the people in the U.S. do. :roll:

more people drive sedans and compacts. just look at the highway.

I'm on the highway 2 hours every day and I am consistantly surprised at the number of large SUVs and trucks driving around.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Originally posted by: phoenix79

Originally posted by: Strk
And yeah, GM killed the EV1, so what? It was a piece of garbage. GM is rapidly putting out hybrids though. Their hybrid system is a little different though. Right now they have the Saturn Vue. The Saturn Aura will have a hybrid out shortly. There also might be a hybrid Astra. GM has also stated it intends to put a production version of the Volt on the road.

Using the saturn vue to defend GM isn't very smart. It's drivetrain is built by Honda, as are most of the new Saturns, hence the higher quality than ever. Sorry.

I believe the post was referring to the Vue hybrid, which doesn't use a Honda drivetrain.

Aside from the V6 in the (current) Vue, what other Saturn powertrains are built by Honda?

 

[RiDE]

Originally posted by: SuperSix
Hahahaha..

GM stuffing the ballot box to win that "poll"..

GM Stuffs the Ballot Box!
Slipping behind Toyota in sales, the giant automaker manipulates a Newsweek online survey, turning on the vote in a drive worthy of Karl Rove.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17553636/site/newsweek/

That being said - I am a GM fan.

LOL

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: senseamp
All these GM bashing Toyota praising articles read the same. GM bad, Toyota good. GM cars are all like Hummers and Toyota cars are all like Priuses. Yadda yadda. They are written by people who either like saying things that everyone already knows, or they think GM is responsible for the world's environmental problems while Toyota cars are making the world a better place to live, even if they get pretty much the same mileage assimilar GM cars, plus Toyota is trying desperately to succeed in the same segments that these envirohippies gave GM a hard time for succeeding in.

put it this way, toyota gives you the choice of choosing between a tundra and a prius.
gm canned their electric car program which also contained their hybrid program. toyota is instrumental in the push towards more and more high mpg vehicles, they showed that it could be done. toyota did something right, gm did something wrong. theres nothing equal about it.

never mind the american car companies were behind stalling or blocking enviromental standards that would have pushed them towards such progress long ago...and they did it over and over...

Typical envirowhacko cliches. Evil GM killed the EV1. Waam. Toyota is great, never mind that they are trying to imitate GM in the big truck market. So much for their environmental standards. So we are supposed to give Toyota credit for being a failure in the big truck marketplace. If it was up to them, they'd be selling those same big trucks enivirohippies are bashing GM for selling.

i'm sorry you are just grasping at straws. it really doesn't matter if toyota sells trucks well or not. compared to gm they are simply better. its a low standard to beat as i already explained. but better is still better. if there were a disaster cutting global oil supplies or massive restriction of emissions through new laws which company would be in a better position to survive? ask yourself that. only a company whos made stupid decisions for decades would put themselves in such a position. its not about being envirowacko, its about being good at business. nice of you to trot out those nice cliche terms

btw you know the japanese could have hurt the american makes in the truck area long ago. they held back to prevent american backlash. it makes it all the more pathetic.

He's grasping at straws? Toyota really is trying hard to break into the truck market. You'll probably see a heavy duty from Toyota in the near future. Toyota wants to produce all of those big trucks GM does.

And yeah, GM killed the EV1, so what? It was a piece of garbage. GM is rapidly putting out hybrids though. Their hybrid system is a little different though. Right now they have the Saturn Vue. The Saturn Aura will have a hybrid out shortly. There also might be a hybrid Astra. GM has also stated it intends to put a production version of the Volt on the road.

Toyota's image is more green, that's for sure, but if you want green, buy a Honda.

Don't forget GM is coming out with a hybrid system for its large trucks too. Toyota is improving mileage on vehicles that would get good mileage without a hybrid, and is at the same time pushing its new gas guzzler trucks. GM is working on hybrids for vehicles where they will actually make a huge difference and have a chance of paying for themselves. Talk about Toyota being a day late and a dollar short.

Aye, the Vue Hybrid (the SUV I was talking about, for the person who was wondering why) uses a system that, by standards of the Prius, is not nearly as efficient. It's not going to give the large boost a Synergy Drive would give, but it does give around a 10-20% increase in fuel economy for a very little increase in MSRP.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: RiDE

Originally posted by: SuperSix
Hahahaha..

GM stuffing the ballot box to win that "poll"..

GM Stuffs the Ballot Box!
Slipping behind Toyota in sales, the giant automaker manipulates a Newsweek online survey, turning on the vote in a drive worthy of Karl Rove.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17553636/site/newsweek/

That being said - I am a GM fan.

LOL

just more sleaze. pretty sad stuff. what do you expect from a pathetic company after all

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Lemodular


Did Toyota make themselves No. 1 or did the US consumer?
Did they(Toyota) falsly sold the inferior cars to the US market as good reliable vehicles?
and is the US population so stupid to keep bying these unreliable cars, aafter all these years?


I guess shame on Toyota.

didn't they lie about how much horsepower their V6 was making for a good portion of the last decade?

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Lemodular


Did Toyota make themselves No. 1 or did the US consumer?
Did they(Toyota) falsly sold the inferior cars to the US market as good reliable vehicles?
and is the US population so stupid to keep bying these unreliable cars, aafter all these years?


I guess shame on Toyota.

didn't they lie about how much horsepower their V6 was making for a good portion of the last decade?

Every company has.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: RiDE

Originally posted by: SuperSix
Hahahaha..

GM stuffing the ballot box to win that "poll"..

GM Stuffs the Ballot Box!
Slipping behind Toyota in sales, the giant automaker manipulates a Newsweek online survey, turning on the vote in a drive worthy of Karl Rove.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17553636/site/newsweek/

That being said - I am a GM fan.

LOL

just more sleaze. pretty sad stuff. what do you expect from a pathetic company after all

:laugh: Yeah GM's pathetic alright












:disgust:

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Lemodular


Did Toyota make themselves No. 1 or did the US consumer?
Did they(Toyota) falsly sold the inferior cars to the US market as good reliable vehicles?
and is the US population so stupid to keep bying these unreliable cars, aafter all these years?


I guess shame on Toyota.

didn't they lie about how much horsepower their V6 was making for a good portion of the last decade?

Every company has.

proof?

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Lemodular


Did Toyota make themselves No. 1 or did the US consumer?
Did they(Toyota) falsly sold the inferior cars to the US market as good reliable vehicles?
and is the US population so stupid to keep bying these unreliable cars, aafter all these years?


I guess shame on Toyota.

didn't they lie about how much horsepower their V6 was making for a good portion of the last decade?

Every company has.

proof?

Have you seen the most recent Top Gear?

 

[FeuerFrei]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: phoenix79

Originally posted by: Strk
And yeah, GM killed the EV1, so what? It was a piece of garbage. GM is rapidly putting out hybrids though. Their hybrid system is a little different though. Right now they have the Saturn Vue. The Saturn Aura will have a hybrid out shortly. There also might be a hybrid Astra. GM has also stated it intends to put a production version of the Volt on the road.

Using the saturn vue to defend GM isn't very smart. It's drivetrain is built by Honda, as are most of the new Saturns, hence the higher quality than ever. Sorry.

I had a 1993 Toyota Camry that had 280,000 mi on it when it got run over by an Explorer. The Camry purred like a kitten with never a major repair and ran great. I now drive a 97 Malibu with under 70k that I got in Janurary and have already had to replace the idler pulley when the bearing in it went and melted the plastic pulley and it left me stranded. I hate to say it but GM is nowhere near toyota in quality. BTW. I'm an Indiana boy in Alabama.

Japanese FTW

Let's face it, you are talking about cars that are 10 years old. Not really indicative of today's cars.

Yep

*ahem* The jury's still out on today's cars, they're too new. All we can go on is the older cars. Takes some years to get a reputation you know. You buy based on the past history of the brand. Past performance is no guarantee of future results, but it's a good indicator.

My first car is a Toyota and so will my next one.

 

[Svnla]

Facts:

GM is losing billions a year while Toyota is having record sale and profits.

Toyota will become the largest auto maker in the world, not IF, but WHEN. Go to Fortune.com and do a search.

Toyota is entering the truck market with a brand new plant in San Antonio, TX and brand new redesigned Tundra truck. We will see how those trucks are doing soon.

Toyota will open ANOTHER brand new plant in Miss within a year or two When were the last time you hear GM open a new plant?

 

[LordMorpheus]

I've turned into something of a Ford fanboy, but that's because the two cars I've spent most my time driving have been good to me (1991 Sable (RIP, little sister killed it) and my current 1997 Town Car that I'm in love with).

As far as the pickup market, I really hate the looks of Toyota's new offerings. The bulges bother me. I prefer the mid-90's domestic trucks, to be honest. I probably won't have use for one for at least another five or six years, though.

As for sedans, I really don't like any of GM's offerings. I like my town car, but I don't think Ford will keep producing the panther chassis for very long (as it's already 17 years old), if they haven't stopped already, anyway (I'd heard that the panther chassis plant had been shut down, but you can still buy a new town car/crown vic/grand marquis).

I plan to keep my current car for as long as it ticks, which will hopefully be another couple hundred thousand miles. If I buy another car before it dies it'll be a classic/weekend car or a truck as a second vehicle.

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: SuperSix
Hahahaha..

GM stuffing the ballot box to win that "poll"..

GM Stuffs the Ballot Box!
Slipping behind Toyota in sales, the giant automaker manipulates a Newsweek online survey, turning on the vote in a drive worthy of Karl Rove.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17553636/site/newsweek/

That being said - I am a GM fan.

How is this even news? Are GM employees not allowed to vote in the poll?
How do we know Toyota wasn't ahead 80-20 before because their employes stuffed the poll. The only reason PMSNBC is reporting this is because they hate GM and can't fathom GM being ahead of Toyota in a poll, so they feel the need to make an article defending Toyota's performance in an online poll.

 

[DarkKnight69]

Originally posted by: NoShangriLa
Cars & truck that I have had in the past to present:

Nissan truck -- under power & the body didn't hold up as well as subsequence vehicles.

Sabb 99 turbo -- comfortable & fast, but seems to have electrical troubles.

Toyota Corolla -- no frill, cheap, reliable, but carb had to be rebuilt twice because it was sticking, and it had all 4 shocks replaced (end of life was over 350,000 km).

VW Scirocco -- a lemon that keeps having fuel pump problems even after 2 repairs, and it also had horrendous electrical problems.

VW Vanagon GL -- great little van that keeps on ticking however it was greatly under power.

Ford F250 -- power full, and very reliable except for the alternator that didn't last.

Ford Taurus -- Have 290,000 km at the moment, the V6 3 litter engine keeps on ticking with out trouble (repair history: transmission replacement, watter pump replacement, ignition module replacement, steering hose replacement, and shock replacement).

Toyota Corolla -- slightly better than the previous Corolla, and currently have 70,000 Km (the oil that come out of the engine at every 6,000 Km still is very clean with out much discolouration).

<-- Can't vote because I haven't had a GM.

A Gm right there bud!

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: phoenix79

Originally posted by: Strk
And yeah, GM killed the EV1, so what? It was a piece of garbage. GM is rapidly putting out hybrids though. Their hybrid system is a little different though. Right now they have the Saturn Vue. The Saturn Aura will have a hybrid out shortly. There also might be a hybrid Astra. GM has also stated it intends to put a production version of the Volt on the road.

Using the saturn vue to defend GM isn't very smart. It's drivetrain is built by Honda, as are most of the new Saturns, hence the higher quality than ever. Sorry.

I had a 1993 Toyota Camry that had 280,000 mi on it when it got run over by an Explorer. The Camry purred like a kitten with never a major repair and ran great. I now drive a 97 Malibu with under 70k that I got in Janurary and have already had to replace the idler pulley when the bearing in it went and melted the plastic pulley and it left me stranded. I hate to say it but GM is nowhere near toyota in quality. BTW. I'm an Indiana boy in Alabama.

Japanese FTW

Let's face it, you are talking about cars that are 10 years old. Not really indicative of today's cars.

Yep

*ahem* The jury's still out on today's cars, they're too new. All we can go on is the older cars. Takes some years to get a reputation you know. You buy based on the past history of the brand. Past performance is no guarantee of future results, but it's a good indicator.

My first car is a Toyota and so will my next one.

Well, based on my past experience, Toyotas are really boring and floaty cars to drive, and they have done nothing to change that reputation. Every Toyota I have driven drives like a boat.

 

[JulesMaximus]

One look at company profits will tell you which company is winning this war...regardless of some pathetic msn poll.

\fvcking thread

 

[DarkKnight69]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
One look at company profits will tell you which company is winning this war...regardless of some pathetic msn poll.

\fvcking thread

Hmm, funny how that seems. Few years ago AMD was decimating Intel for quality and speed of processors, and yet who was still bringing in the higher $?

As for the cars thread, GM is changing ALOT with their company. And dont be fooled, with the amount of company GM owns, they are not going anywhere.

They are JUST beginning to swing into the right move with their vehicles. Like bringing over Holden, that is going to go over VERY well here, and the redesigned pontiac line. As well, the new Corvette is much nicer then last offerings!

Oh, and if you actually compare the Tundra to the Silverado you will find you are getting as much horsepower, better warranty, and a proven work truck for as little, or often less money with the Silverado over the Tundra. Go actually compare those two trucks dollar for dollar and you will see.

 

[BUTCH1]

Well as far as the HP ratings issue went it Looks like it was
the imports that were coming up with incorrect ratings.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: Captante

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: Captante
I've owned several GM's & several Toyota's & although GM quality has improved quite a bit they still have a lot of catching up to do... sure both will last beyond 100k, most Toyota's will drive almost exactly the same vs GM's that turn into rattle-traps.

The only American vehicle I'd consider at the moment would be a full-sized Ford truck... for any other class (except super-cars) I'd only consider Japanese brands.

Actually most bitch about their civics or accords becoming rattle traps also.

And, Ford not getting a 6 speed tranny yet was the same reason it took a while for the Silverado to get one, it is for good reason.

Not in my experience & Consumer Reports agrees ... I will however concede that Toyota & for that matter all Japanese brands have dropped a bit in that regard since production has moved to North America, nothing I've ever owned was put together as tightly as my 1986 Toyota pickup which produced virtually no unusual sounds after almost 300k of courier-duty driving in & out of NYC twice a day loaded with cargo.

That's because Americans have bigger hands and thusly can not get smaller tighter fitting parts together.