GM vs Toyota

[brxndxn]

The article doesn't mention what average higher-ups at Toyota get paid and what the officers of GM get paid..

Last I heard, GM blew something like $20million each in 'bonuses' to all officers willing to stay through GM's bankruptcy... the same officers that caused the bankruptcy.

Then, you see GM blowing WADS of cash on stupid advertisements..

And, when I went out (right after getting a new job out of college) to buy a GTO, I was treated like a sucker and told I would have to pay $32k even though the cars were being discontinued due to poor sales. So I didn't buy one..

 

[boomerang]

People lie. They'll vote Toyota out of conscience but will buy GM when they do the research.

 

[KarmaPolice]

My Family:

Dad - Lexus
Mom - Seirra Van
Me - Toyota Camry
Brother - Toyota Camry


Toyota makes good cars that last a long time...simple as that

 

[bucwylde23]

I just bought my second toyota this week.

We previously owned a 2003 Celica, GREAT car. never had a problem with it whatsoever in 2 years. (bought used)

We just bought a used 2003 4runner and it is very well built. Extremely comfortable. Toyota just has a better "feel" to it than GM cars. I've owned 2 different GM cars and they just can't compare.

I dont' care for Honda's, either.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Toyota.

 

[IGBT]

Originally posted by: The Cornballer
i'd take a sierra over a tundra any day of the week.

i have no idea what the thread is about.

..07 Tundra is caricature of it's former self (06) with a cheap cheesy interior and a bulbous oversized dimensions. Bigger isn't always better when it comes to trucks.

 

[6000SUX]

Originally posted by: KarmaPolice
My Family:

Dad - Lexus
Mom - Seirra Van
Me - Toyota Camry
Brother - Toyota Camry

Toyota makes good cars that last a long time...simple as that

Thanks for sharing your anecdote. In my experience, Chevy makes good cars that last a long time.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Of course on here Toyota will win...to put it simply there are a lot of people who have asian blood in them on here and they will vote for Toyota automatically.

Same as me, I'll vote for GM automatically.

And, quite frankly, it used to be true that Toyota or asian imports were of better quality than american cars...but not anymore. but that myth will not die out until this generation does. All cars these days will last past 100,000 miles if you keep up with maintaince...believe it or not fanboys but a Cobalt engine will run just as long. (Also the cobalt is a lot more fun to drive).

BTW The Tundra is getting spanked in all pick up truck comparisons by the new Silverado...comments like "struggles up hills with medium load" make me wonder how some people say they would buy a Tundra...believe that shitload of marketing about Toyota's hitch? A Fanboy? You better believe it. And, do not give me looks as a reason...the Tundra looks like a mix between an old 80's pickup and a new one.

I'll take a Ford Superduty diesel over any of them for that matter, if I wanted a real truck, and didn't want to ride around in some pseudotoyotapickup truck just to boost his ego.

Cliffs:
Asian fanboys suck
I am an american fanboy
No one who actually uses a pickup truck for what it was built for would buy a Tundra.

 

[Smartazz]

Oops, I meant to pick Toyota.

 

[AdamK47]

I voted Toyota.

 

[0roo0roo]

another article repeating the old excuse about worker healthcare. well they were raking it in during the suv explosion but they let that money go to waste instead of developing the future, it wasn't the cost of healthcare that screwed them over, it was their stupid decisions.

as for the votes, sounds like a gm union got wind of the article

 

[NoShangriLa]

Cars & truck that I have had in the past to present:

Nissan truck -- under power & the body didn't hold up as well as subsequence vehicles.

Sabb 99 turbo -- comfortable & fast, but seems to have electrical troubles.

Toyota Corolla -- no frill, cheap, reliable, but carb had to be rebuilt twice because it was sticking, and it had all 4 shocks replaced (end of life was over 350,000 km).

VW Scirocco -- a lemon that keeps having fuel pump problems even after 2 repairs, and it also had horrendous electrical problems.

VW Vanagon GL -- great little van that keeps on ticking however it was greatly under power.

Ford F250 -- power full, and very reliable except for the alternator that didn't last.

Ford Taurus -- Have 290,000 km at the moment, the V6 3 litter engine keeps on ticking with out trouble (repair history: transmission replacement, watter pump replacement, ignition module replacement, steering hose replacement, and shock replacement).

Toyota Corolla -- slightly better than the previous Corolla, and currently have 70,000 Km (the oil that come out of the engine at every 6,000 Km still is very clean with out much discolouration).

<-- Can't vote because I haven't had a GM.

 

[redgtxdi]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Cliffs:
Asian fanboys suck
I am an american fanboy
No one who actually uses a pickup truck for what it was built for would buy a Tundra.

Cliffs for me.....

Asian fanboys are probably smarter than most.
I am an American boy, bleed red, white and blue and am So Cal born & raised.

I think the latter may be where some of the differences lay in a poll like this. Many eastern or northern Americans have been overexposed to the cheap junk that is American automobiles.

I wish we could actually turn back time more like TWENTY years. I feel that's when the trouble really started. I bought my first Mazda truck back then......(yes, made in Japan).....and never looked back.

In Ford's defense I do own a '98 F150 only because they offered a better truck during the T100 days. I might even take an '07 F150 vs. an '07 Tundra, but that would have to wait 'til the SuperMax Tundra comes out which may be the ultimate pickup.

All that to say that Toyota simply makes better vehicles. There are lies and truth, but FACT is that Toyota simply makes better cars. That's all there is to it.

 

[Captante]

I've owned several GM's & several Toyota's & although GM quality has improved quite a bit they still have a lot of catching up to do... sure both will last beyond 100k, most Toyota's will drive almost exactly the same vs GM's that turn into rattle-traps.

The only American vehicle I'd consider at the moment would be a full-sized Ford truck... for any other class (except super-cars) I'd only consider Japanese brands.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: redgtxdi
In Ford's defense I do own a '98 F150 only because they offered a better truck during the T100 days. I might even take an '07 F150 vs. an '07 Tundra, but that would have to wait 'til the SuperMax Tundra comes out which may be the ultimate pickup.

THe only thing the f-150 is missing right now is more HP and/or a 6 speed transmission. The toyota and new GM are putting gout more HP/torque than ford is right now. That being said, the latest generation of full size trucks is more capable than the heavy duty versions of these trucks 10 years ago.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: redgtxdi

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Cliffs:
Asian fanboys suck
I am an american fanboy
No one who actually uses a pickup truck for what it was built for would buy a Tundra.

Cliffs for me.....

Asian fanboys are probably smarter than most.
I am an American boy, bleed red, white and blue and am So Cal born & raised.

I think the latter may be where some of the differences lay in a poll like this. Many eastern or northern Americans have been overexposed to the cheap junk that is American automobiles.

I wish we could actually turn back time more like TWENTY years. I feel that's when the trouble really started. I bought my first Mazda truck back then......(yes, made in Japan).....and never looked back.

In Ford's defense I do own a '98 F150 only because they offered a better truck during the T100 days. I might even take an '07 F150 vs. an '07 Tundra, but that would have to wait 'til the SuperMax Tundra comes out which may be the ultimate pickup.

All that to say that Toyota simply makes better vehicles. There are lies and truth, but FACT is that Toyota simply makes better cars. That's all there is to it.

For what standards?

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: Captante
I've owned several GM's & several Toyota's & although GM quality has improved quite a bit they still have a lot of catching up to do... sure both will last beyond 100k, most Toyota's will drive almost exactly the same vs GM's that turn into rattle-traps.

The only American vehicle I'd consider at the moment would be a full-sized Ford truck... for any other class (except super-cars) I'd only consider Japanese brands.

Actually most bitch about their civics or accords becoming rattle traps also.

And, Ford not getting a 6 speed tranny yet was the same reason it took a while for the Silverado to get one, it is for good reason.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: Captante
I've owned several GM's & several Toyota's & although GM quality has improved quite a bit they still have a lot of catching up to do... sure both will last beyond 100k, most Toyota's will drive almost exactly the same vs GM's that turn into rattle-traps.

The only American vehicle I'd consider at the moment would be a full-sized Ford truck... for any other class (except super-cars) I'd only consider Japanese brands.

Actually most bitch about their civics or accords becoming rattle traps also.

And, Ford not getting a 6 speed tranny yet was the same reason it took a while for the Silverado to get one, it is for good reason.

I think the f-150 is getting a 6 speed next year. They already have the 5.4 and 6 speed in the expedition in this years model, i would assume once production ramps the f150 will get it is as well.

 

[Gunther]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
Of course on here Toyota will win...to put it simply there are a lot of people who have asian blood in them on here and they will vote for Toyota automatically.

Same as me, I'll vote for GM automatically.

And, quite frankly, it used to be true that Toyota or asian imports were of better quality than american cars...but not anymore. but that myth will not die out until this generation does. All cars these days will last past 100,000 miles if you keep up with maintaince...believe it or not fanboys but a Cobalt engine will run just as long. (Also the cobalt is a lot more fun to drive).

BTW The Tundra is getting spanked in all pick up truck comparisons by the new Silverado...comments like "struggles up hills with medium load" make me wonder how some people say they would buy a Tundra...believe that shitload of marketing about Toyota's hitch? A Fanboy? You better believe it. And, do not give me looks as a reason...the Tundra looks like a mix between an old 80's pickup and a new one.

I'll take a Ford Superduty diesel over any of them for that matter, if I wanted a real truck, and didn't want to ride around in some pseudotoyotapickup truck just to boost his ego.

Cliffs:
Asian fanboys suck
I am an american fanboy
No one who actually uses a pickup truck for what it was built for would buy a Tundra.

WTF so just because I have "asian blood" I am going to automatically vote for Toyota? Sorry but people with "asian blood" arent just one group and they don't all love each other, I hope you realize that. There is a big difference between a Chinese, Korean, and Japanese person. This might be a shock to you, but Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese have a lot of history and reasons to not like each other. Also I am not going to vote automatically for a Japanese company just because I have "asian blood", neither are any other people with "asian blood" that I know.

I think the reason why people on this board are more likely to vote Toyota is because they have had a lot better experiences with Toyota then GM.
I agree that American cars have gotten a lot better, but people have been burned by them in the past and don't trust them yet.

What do I drive? I drive a Mercury and if I were to buy a truck I would buy American in a second. My previous car was a Ford and my next car will also probably be American. I guess I must not have enough "asian blood" in me, I better go to a hospital and get a blood transfusion.

You show with your post that ANY fanboy be it american or asian suck and are stupid and I would say on top of that you are racist and ignorant of those with "asian blood".

 

[Captante]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: Captante
I've owned several GM's & several Toyota's & although GM quality has improved quite a bit they still have a lot of catching up to do... sure both will last beyond 100k, most Toyota's will drive almost exactly the same vs GM's that turn into rattle-traps.

The only American vehicle I'd consider at the moment would be a full-sized Ford truck... for any other class (except super-cars) I'd only consider Japanese brands.

Actually most bitch about their civics or accords becoming rattle traps also.

And, Ford not getting a 6 speed tranny yet was the same reason it took a while for the Silverado to get one, it is for good reason.

Not in my experience & Consumer Reports agrees ... I will however concede that Toyota & for that matter all Japanese brands have dropped a bit in that regard since production has moved to North America, nothing I've ever owned was put together as tightly as my 1986 Toyota pickup which produced virtually no unusual sounds after almost 300k of courier-duty driving in & out of NYC twice a day loaded with cargo.

 

[senseamp]

All these GM bashing Toyota praising articles read the same. GM bad, Toyota good. GM cars are all like Hummers and Toyota cars are all like Priuses. Yadda yadda. They are written by people who either like saying things that everyone already knows, or they think GM is responsible for the world's environmental problems while Toyota cars are making the world a better place to live, even if they get pretty much the same mileage as similar GM cars, plus Toyota is trying desperately to succeed in the same segments that these envirohippies gave GM a hard time for succeeding in.

 

[mrzed]

Originally posted by: senseamp
All these GM bashing Toyota praising articles read the same. GM bad, Toyota good. GM cars are all like Hummers and Toyota cars are all like Priuses. Yadda yadda. They are written by people who either like saying things that everyone already knows, or they think GM is responsible for the world's environmental problems while Toyota cars are making the world a better place to live, even if they get pretty much the same mileage as similar GM cars, plus Toyota is trying desperately to succeed in the same segments that these envirohippies gave GM a hard time for succeeding in.

Did you read the article? The main point it made was that Toyota had better strategy, it outright acknowledged that the Prius was mainly a PR exercise.

Or are you just angry, and prefer to attack the argument you expected rather than the one presented?

 

[BUTCH1]

Then there's the Toyota sludge problem that hurt the "bulletproof" aura of Toyota..

 

[wasamicron]

Friend at work bought a new Camry. The engine had to be essentially replaced due to a cracked block. This happened shortly after warranty coverage ended. Toyota did cover repair, but she was without a car for weeks. So much for "bulletproof" Toyota's.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: senseamp
All these GM bashing Toyota praising articles read the same. GM bad, Toyota good. GM cars are all like Hummers and Toyota cars are all like Priuses. Yadda yadda. They are written by people who either like saying things that everyone already knows, or they think GM is responsible for the world's environmental problems while Toyota cars are making the world a better place to live, even if they get pretty much the same mileage as similar GM cars, plus Toyota is trying desperately to succeed in the same segments that these envirohippies gave GM a hard time for succeeding in.

put it this way, toyota gives you the choice of choosing between a tundra and a prius.
gm canned their electric car program which also contained their hybrid program. toyota is instrumental in the push towards more and more high mpg vehicles, they showed that it could be done. toyota did something right, gm did something wrong. theres nothing equal about it.

never mind the american car companies were behind stalling or blocking enviromental standards that would have pushed them towards such progress long ago...and they did it over and over...