Gm's old Delphi parts division wants a 68% pay cut for its UAW employees..

[Analog]

DETROIT Oct 6, 2005 ? Delphi Corp. is asking the United Auto Workers union for wage cuts of more than 50 percent and wants to eliminate pay for laid-off workers as part of the auto supplier's effort to stave off bankruptcy, according to a letter from UAW leaders.

Delphi wants to cut wages from $27 an hour to $10-$12 an hour and eliminate a jobs bank that gives full pay to 4,000 laid-off workers, officials from UAW Local 292 in Kokomo, Ind. said in the letter, which was posted Thursday on a union Web site. Delphi has about 25,000 UAW-represented workers.

Delphi also wants to reduce health care benefits and vacation time for its hourly workers as part of a restructuring deal, the letter said. The company also wants the right to close or consolidate plants.

"It is clear that in one form or another, there is a restructuring of Delphi forthcoming and it will have a dramatic impact on UAW members," the letter said.

A Delphi spokeswoman has declined to comment on the company's negotiations with General Motors Corp. and the UAW.

Troy-based Delphi has threatened to declare bankruptcy by Oct. 17 if it fails to reach an agreement with GM and the UAW to reduce its labor costs. U.S. bankruptcy laws are scheduled to change on that date, and Delphi has said the changes will make bankruptcy more difficult.

http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0510/07/A01-340904.htm

 

[amdforever2]

Unions will never go for it, Delphi will be bankrupt.


Unions are the NUMBER ONE REASON that Ford and GM are struggling.

That and high healthcare. The ridiculous wages and benefits the unions demand tie in with the healthcare issue tho.

 

[vegetation]

Likely unions will scream bloody murder and demand a 10% increase.

 

[RbSX]

Originally posted by: yellowfiero
DETROIT Oct 6, 2005 ? Delphi Corp. is asking the United Auto Workers union for wage cuts of more than 50 percent and wants to eliminate pay for laid-off workers as part of the auto supplier's effort to stave off bankruptcy, according to a letter from UAW leaders.

Delphi wants to cut wages from $27 an hour to $10-$12 an hour and eliminate a jobs bank that gives full pay to 4,000 laid-off workers, officials from UAW Local 292 in Kokomo, Ind. said in the letter, which was posted Thursday on a union Web site. Delphi has about 25,000 UAW-represented workers.

Delphi also wants to reduce health care benefits and vacation time for its hourly workers as part of a restructuring deal, the letter said. The company also wants the right to close or consolidate plants.

"It is clear that in one form or another, there is a restructuring of Delphi forthcoming and it will have a dramatic impact on UAW members," the letter said.

A Delphi spokeswoman has declined to comment on the company's negotiations with General Motors Corp. and the UAW.

Troy-based Delphi has threatened to declare bankruptcy by Oct. 17 if it fails to reach an agreement with GM and the UAW to reduce its labor costs. U.S. bankruptcy laws are scheduled to change on that date, and Delphi has said the changes will make bankruptcy more difficult.

http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0510/07/A01-340904.htm

Wow, I hate the UAW, and I think they should burn in hell for the most part. But I think that is a bit much.

 

[Eli]

I guess they have to decide between 10 - 12$/hr and 0$/hr....

Shouldn't be that tough a choice, but........

 

[shilala]

Originally posted by: amdforever2
Unions will never go for it, Delphi will be bankrupt.


Japanese car driving douchebags are the NUMBER ONE REASON that Ford and GM are struggling.

That and high healthcare. The ridiculous wages and benefits the unions demand tie in with the healthcare issue tho.

Fixed

 

[BD2003]

Oh thats right, because youre not a real american if you dont buy american cars eh?

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: BD2003
Oh thats right, because youre not a real american if you dont buy american cars made in mexico and canada anyway eh?

fixed.

 

[BD2003]

Aint it the truth.

 

[MasterAndCommander]

Delphi moves manufacturing operations to China...problem fixed

 

[amdforever2]

More sales wouldn't help GM and Ford, when sales went up the unions would just demand MORE money.

 

[MrChad]

Originally posted by: amdforever2
Unions will never go for it, Delphi will be bankrupt.


Unions are the NUMBER ONE REASON that Ford and GM are struggling.

That and high healthcare. The ridiculous wages and benefits the unions demand tie in with the healthcare issue tho.

I would say lackluster products are the number one reason.

High fixed costs (many due to union contract obligations) are a big factor, however.

 

[Yreka]

Originally posted by: MrChad

Originally posted by: amdforever2
Unions will never go for it, Delphi will be bankrupt.


Unions are the NUMBER ONE REASON that Ford and GM are struggling.

That and high healthcare. The ridiculous wages and benefits the unions demand tie in with the healthcare issue tho.

I would say lackluster products are the number one reason.

High fixed costs (many due to union contract obligations) are a big factor, however.

I think it all ties in. Maybe they make lackluster products because manufacturing costs *labor* is drawing from R&D and market research.

I would be curious to see what the people making $27 an hour were doing. If you are paying someone 30 bucks an hour for a job you can get a monkey to do, well I dont know how you can expect to compete with anyone.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: Yreka

Originally posted by: MrChad

Originally posted by: amdforever2
Unions will never go for it, Delphi will be bankrupt.


Unions are the NUMBER ONE REASON that Ford and GM are struggling.

That and high healthcare. The ridiculous wages and benefits the unions demand tie in with the healthcare issue tho.

I would say lackluster products are the number one reason.

High fixed costs (many due to union contract obligations) are a big factor, however.

I think it all ties in. Maybe they make lackluster products because manufacturing costs *labor* is drawing from R&D and market research.

I would be curious to see what the people making $27 an hour were doing. If you are paying someone 30 bucks an hour for a job you can get a monkey to do, well I dont know how you can expect to compete with anyone.

That's why all the union shops are falling apart. I work for a non-union auto manufacturer and we are doing just peachy, the best year since 2000, in fact. The guy making $30/hr is pushing a broom. My brother made over $50,000 a year working on the line at Ford, installing window moldings :roll:

 

[Hammer]

Originally posted by: MasterAndCommander
Delphi moves manufacturing operations to China...problem fixed

 

[DougK62]

Unions are killing American business.

 

[shilala]

Originally posted by: BD2003
Oh thats right, because youre not a real american if you dont buy american cars eh?

Exactly.
Perfect.
I couldn't have said it better myself.

And...
Everyone who owns a jap car should have it pushed into the ocean while they are in it.

 

[shilala]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Yreka

Originally posted by: MrChad

Originally posted by: amdforever2
Unions will never go for it, Delphi will be bankrupt.


Unions are the NUMBER ONE REASON that Ford and GM are struggling.

That and high healthcare. The ridiculous wages and benefits the unions demand tie in with the healthcare issue tho.

I would say lackluster products are the number one reason.

High fixed costs (many due to union contract obligations) are a big factor, however.

I think it all ties in. Maybe they make lackluster products because manufacturing costs *labor* is drawing from R&D and market research.

I would be curious to see what the people making $27 an hour were doing. If you are paying someone 30 bucks an hour for a job you can get a monkey to do, well I dont know how you can expect to compete with anyone.

That's why all the union shops are falling apart. I work for a non-union auto manufacturer and we are doing just peachy, the best year since 2000, in fact. The guy making $30/hr is pushing a broom. My brother made over $50,000 a year working on the line at Ford, installing window moldings :roll:

How much are you making?

 

[mugs]

$27 an hour is absurdly high

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: BD2003
Oh thats right, because youre not a real american if you dont buy american cars eh?

Pretty much. Japanese sure arnt spending thier paychecks we give them here.

 

[ThisIsMatt]

Originally posted by: shilala

Originally posted by: amdforever2
Unions will never go for it, Delphi will be bankrupt.


Japanese car driving douchebags are the NUMBER ONE REASON that Ford and GM are struggling.

That and high healthcare. The ridiculous wages and benefits the unions demand tie in with the healthcare issue tho.

Fixed

Douchebag here, signing in. Would you like a new headgasket with your Ford?

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: mugs
$27 an hour is absurdly high

Drive down to mexico if you want to see what a low wage economy is like..heck you can open a business cheap too down there..LMK how it goes.

 

[DougK62]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: mugs
$27 an hour is absurdly high

Drive down to mexico if you want to see what a low wage economy is like..heck you can open a business cheap too down there..LMK how it goes.

Uh-oh, looks like someone is in a union and gets payed more than they deserve. A little defensive, eh?

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: BD2003
Oh thats right, because youre not a real american if you dont buy american cars eh?

Pretty much. Japanese sure arnt spending thier paychecks we give them here.

The number 1 reason I bought a Honda was reliability. If an American car company could give me that, I'd GLADLY give my money to an American company over a foreign company. I WISH I could do that.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: shilala

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Yreka

Originally posted by: MrChad

Originally posted by: amdforever2
Unions will never go for it, Delphi will be bankrupt.


Unions are the NUMBER ONE REASON that Ford and GM are struggling.

That and high healthcare. The ridiculous wages and benefits the unions demand tie in with the healthcare issue tho.

I would say lackluster products are the number one reason.

High fixed costs (many due to union contract obligations) are a big factor, however.

I think it all ties in. Maybe they make lackluster products because manufacturing costs *labor* is drawing from R&D and market research.

I would be curious to see what the people making $27 an hour were doing. If you are paying someone 30 bucks an hour for a job you can get a monkey to do, well I dont know how you can expect to compete with anyone.

That's why all the union shops are falling apart. I work for a non-union auto manufacturer and we are doing just peachy, the best year since 2000, in fact. The guy making $30/hr is pushing a broom. My brother made over $50,000 a year working on the line at Ford, installing window moldings :roll:

How much are you making?

Less than $50k and I am the Network Administrator.