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Midwayman

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so microcenter has a monitor that may or may not be exclusive to them but the specs look good for the price
http://www.microcenter.com/product/503505/KG271U_27"_WQHD_144Hz_HDMI_DP_FreeSync_LED_Monitor
144hz 2k, though no g-sync

I've been reading up but still a little unclear about when g sync kicks in and if I'll be hitting these fps discrepancies often with my setup. any time the gpu fps isn't exactly the 75hz the monitor displays? wouldn't that mean screen tearing almost all of the time?

Most Gsync displays will use it pretty much their entire frame range. The dell I linked it something like 30-143hz. Basically any time you're not at max refresh or in ULMB mode you will be in gsync. Its really nice for titles below 90hz or so. Above that tearing or waiting for vsync isn't as objectionable. I haven't see a screen tear since I got that dell.
 

DidelisDiskas

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Don't most of those 1440p 144hz monitors have TN panels? Is having a monitor with 144hz refresh rate, poor viewing angles and color reproduction a better trade-off than an ips/va, 60hz (freesync/gsync) monitor at 4k for gaming?
 

repoman0

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Don't most of those 1440p 144hz monitors have TN panels? Is having a monitor with 144hz refresh rate, poor viewing angles and color reproduction a better trade-off than an ips/va, 60hz (freesync/gsync) monitor at 4k for gaming?

There's a 32"/165Hz/1440p LG VA panel. I bought one to replace a Dell 32"/4k60 IPS and like it significantly better for gaming. Color between the two was indistinguishable to my eyes with some minor changes to the LG (The Dell was supposedly factory calibrated) and black level/contrast is much better on the VA panel.

That said I greatly prefer 4k resolution for image editing ... 1440p at 32 inches is just not sharp enough sometimes. For gaming though it's no contest, 144+ Hz and adaptive sync all the way.
 

DidelisDiskas

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There's a 32"/165Hz/1440p LG VA panel. I bought one to replace a Dell 32"/4k60 IPS and like it significantly better for gaming. Color between the two was indistinguishable to my eyes with some minor changes to the LG (The Dell was supposedly factory calibrated) and black level/contrast is much better on the VA panel.

That said I greatly prefer 4k resolution for image editing ... 1440p at 32 inches is just not sharp enough sometimes. For gaming though it's no contest, 144+ Hz and adaptive sync all the way.

32 inches for 1440p has the same pixel density as a 24 inch 1080p screen. Seem like a hefty downgrade to the 32inch 4k dell monitor.

I have an LG 4k VA monitor and have to say that some games look really good on 4k compared to the lower resolutions, not to mention the text sharpness i get when writing code.
 

repoman0

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32 inches for 1440p has the same pixel density as a 24 inch 1080p screen. Seem like a hefty downgrade to the 32inch 4k dell monitor.

I have an LG 4k VA monitor and have to say that some games look really good on 4k compared to the lower resolutions, not to mention the text sharpness i get when writing code.

The motion fluidity, adaptive sync and improved black levels make it a huge upgrade for gaming. I have very good eyesight and don't notice the decreased pixel density but definitely notice the lack of tearing and better tracking and aim for competitive FPS. For text and photo editing the 4k monitor was clearly better, but my home PC is primarily a gaming machine.

I will likely add a 4k monitor specifically for photo editing. I ordered a 27"/4k LG IPS for that purpose but was extremely disappointed in the color accuracy so sent it back.

I had been back and forth on a high refresh rate monitor for a while, and ended up trying one at PAX east back in April. Just a cheap 24"/1080p/144 Hz panel they had set up at the PC gaming stations ... there was no going back even from that relative POS.
 

Headfoot

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Don't most of those 1440p 144hz monitors have TN panels? Is having a monitor with 144hz refresh rate, poor viewing angles and color reproduction a better trade-off than an ips/va, 60hz (freesync/gsync) monitor at 4k for gaming?
I have a dell 144hz 1440p TN right in between 2 dell IPS monitors. There is a difference, but its not a big deal. the 144hz is absolutely, 100% better for gaming
 

Midwayman

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The motion fluidity, adaptive sync and improved black levels make it a huge upgrade for gaming. I have very good eyesight and don't notice the decreased pixel density but definitely notice the lack of tearing and better tracking and aim for competitive FPS. For text and photo editing the 4k monitor was clearly better, but my home PC is primarily a gaming machine.

I will likely add a 4k monitor specifically for photo editing. I ordered a 27"/4k LG IPS for that purpose but was extremely disappointed in the color accuracy so sent it back.

I had been back and forth on a high refresh rate monitor for a while, and ended up trying one at PAX east back in April. Just a cheap 24"/1080p/144 Hz panel they had set up at the PC gaming stations ... there was no going back even from that relative POS.

Have you tried ULMB mode (assuming your monitor supports it)? It was a revelation in terms of clarity, assuming you can keep a solid 100+ fps. If you're the sort of person who appreciates the fluidity of high refresh you'll probably love it.
 

repoman0

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Have you tried ULMB mode (assuming your monitor supports it)? It was a revelation in terms of clarity, assuming you can keep a solid 100+ fps. If you're the sort of person who appreciates the fluidity of high refresh you'll probably love it.

My monitor doesn't support it, and I've never seen it in person ... would like to though. It looks pretty damn smooth to me as it is.
 

Elfear

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Have you tried ULMB mode (assuming your monitor supports it)? It was a revelation in terms of clarity, assuming you can keep a solid 100+ fps. If you're the sort of person who appreciates the fluidity of high refresh you'll probably love it.

+100

I wish every gaming monitor came with ULMB.
 

slayer202

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so I went ahead and ordered a Dell s2716dg. hopefully it'll be worth the extra cost and I won't have to worry about any issues or need to upgrade in the near future
 

ZGR

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I woulld get a 144hz over 4k60. 60hz is pretty brutal in games that allow 144hz. I use a 4k60 display only in titles that are CPU limited and a high refresh in games that are GPU limited.

ULMB + GSync is not possible I believe. I prefer 180z Gsync over 120hz ULMB by far. ULMB is still great. 60hz is pretty brutal imo.
 

Midwayman

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ULMB + GSync is not possible I believe. I prefer 180z Gsync over 120hz ULMB by far. ULMB is still great. 60hz is pretty brutal imo.

yah, but many monitors support both. I like gsync for single player games, especially things like RPGs. ULMB for FPS games all the way.
 

slayer202

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I have the rig all set up, just waiting for the new monitor to arrive tomorrow. Super excited. The pc runs great but the ancient 22" 1080p samsung is not doing it any favors.

I suck horribly at CS:GO which is the only thing I've bothered messing around with. I'll probably buy PUBG and I'll have to pick a nice single player game to try out
 

ElFenix

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I thought 2560x1440 was "2K". This is why I like terms such as 1440p. A quick search on Newegg shows 2560x1440 (and a few others) under "2K".

Regarding the OP, I went with 1440p and I like it. Unfortunately I can't compare it to 4K as I have not used one, but it looks very sharp in Windows. In games, I don't have to worry about having a top end video card or dealing with resolution scaling. I would suggest 2K unless you really don't mind spending the extra money or just want something that you will likely hold on to for a very long time.

No, look closer.
2k is 2048x1080 which is much higher than HD but still lower than some other standards.

The problem is people use 2k to mean multiple things, including 1440p.

I have a 27" 1440p monitor and a 28" 4k monitor. For *me*, the difference isn't huge in day-to-day productivity or gaming.
I'd say a 1440p monitor with higher refresh rate would get my nod (assuming the panel isn't crap.)


we have unambiguous terms such as FHD, QHD, and UHD. we should use them. 1440p is better than "2k" (which is a terrible term), but could be either QHD or WQHD.

i write this knowing full well that i used 1440p upthread.


(still waiting on a WUHD monitor)
 

slayer202

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Ok now I see the hype about 144hz. That's a big upgrade. I'm not sure how useful g sync is but oh well
 
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Midwayman

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Ok now I see the hype about 144hz. That's a big upgrade. I'm not sure how useful g sync is but oh well

What I usually hear about gsync is that you don't really notice it until you turn it off. It just works and you don't really think about it, but when you see tearing again you're like WTF is this?
 
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slayer202

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could be, for sure. I haven't put in enough time with different scenarios to really be able to tell yet. I still have to read some more and play around with settings, too
 
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Midwayman

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could be, for sure. I haven't put in enough time with different scenarios to really be able to tell yet. I still have to read some more and play around with settings, too
FWIW, you normally have to turn vsync off in games for it to work. Unless there is a specific setting for it. Also make sure its set in your nvidia control panel. Its not on by default IIRC.
 
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slayer202

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144hz wasn't set by default either! I didn't notice until I launched a game and it was stuttering and I went looking for a fix. G Sync was on, though I'm not sure if one of the nvidia applications turned it on for me.

I have been reading about optimal settings, stuff like setting fps max slightly under monitor refresh rate to reduce input lag, or something like that. honestly it's all rather complicated and I'm not sure I should even bother trying to figure it out, I am certainly not a professional gamer
 

ElFenix

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FWIW, you normally have to turn vsync off in games for it to work. Unless there is a specific setting for it. Also make sure its set in your nvidia control panel. Its not on by default IIRC.

wonder how many people sprang for the gsync monitor and don't even have it on?
 

Midwayman

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144hz wasn't set by default either! I didn't notice until I launched a game and it was stuttering and I went looking for a fix. G Sync was on, though I'm not sure if one of the nvidia applications turned it on for me.

I have been reading about optimal settings, stuff like setting fps max slightly under monitor refresh rate to reduce input lag, or something like that. honestly it's all rather complicated and I'm not sure I should even bother trying to figure it out, I am certainly not a professional gamer

FWIW the FPS capping is mostly for lower refresh rate monitors, especially if you run vsync. On a 144hz I wouldn't worry about it. Whenever I install I new game I make sure it's set to 144hz in game (some default to 60hz) and make sure vsync is off. That's all you really should need to do.
 
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Headfoot

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144hz wasn't set by default either! I didn't notice until I launched a game and it was stuttering and I went looking for a fix. G Sync was on, though I'm not sure if one of the nvidia applications turned it on for me.

I have been reading about optimal settings, stuff like setting fps max slightly under monitor refresh rate to reduce input lag, or something like that. honestly it's all rather complicated and I'm not sure I should even bother trying to figure it out, I am certainly not a professional gamer

Go to the nVidia settings page and go to Display Settings and make sure the '144hz' refresh rate is selected in the dropdown. For some reason it sometimes resets itself to 60hz after unplugging it. There is also a Gsync page, make sure 'Gsync On' checkbox is checked. It is checked on by default when you plug in a Gsync monitor, but check anyways.Then make sure Vsync is OFF in the game you're playing. That's it! it'll be working after that
 
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ZGR

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On an unrelated note, I have a not too tech savvy friend asking me about 144hz. He bought two expensive 1080p monitors which seems far more expensive than they were worth as he said they were 60hz.

Turns out they were 144hz and he has been using them at 60hz for over a year!

He was so happy to finally experience 144hz. "My mouse is so smooth on the desktop now!"
 
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moonbogg

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Also, the $2,000 Nvidia monitors are always an option in case you get tired of your nice sane human gaming monitor, you can always upgrade to the insane human version.
 
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