God 2.0

[everman]

Originally posted by: deftron

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: deftron

Originally posted by: everman
That's kind of like saying infinity +1
You can't make omnipotent "more omnipotent" can you?

If you're "God", you should be able to.



Those are man's definitions

So you are saying that an absolute of any idea is a man-made idea and does not actually exist? There are no absolutes in God's world?

Only God knows the answer to that question

You can't have something greater than something defined as "God", because God is greatest by definition. God wouldn't be God if he had a God... did that make sence?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Xafgoat

Originally posted by: Nik
It's Terrorist Hunting Season and my permit number is 091101.

how do you find time to hunt terrorists and make 25 posts a day? You must be jesus.

That was so pathetically weak. :roll:

 

[compnovice]

Can god make me win megamillion without me buying the ticket?

 

[sisq0kidd]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: Shawn

Originally posted by: Nik
If he COULD be updated, that means he CAN'T be God.

So does that mean God could make something heavy enough they not even he could lift?

Yes, if he chose to. And if he then chose to lift it, he could.

God is beyond our limited four dimensional understanding.

For a much better discussion of this idea check out Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis.

Lewis argues that the question is flawed to start with because our understanding of what he can and cannot do is too limited.

I forget what else he says in the book.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: compnovice
Can god make me win megamillion without me buying the ticket?

Can he? Sure. Would he? Probably not.

 

[BudAshes]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Xafgoat

Originally posted by: Nik
It's Terrorist Hunting Season and my permit number is 091101.

how do you find time to hunt terrorists and make 25 posts a day? You must be jesus.

That was so pathetically weak. :roll:

well you sounded like you had the inside scoop on god and you hunt terrorists. That sounds like jesus to me.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Xafgoat

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Xafgoat

Originally posted by: Nik
It's Terrorist Hunting Season and my permit number is 091101.

how do you find time to hunt terrorists and make 25 posts a day? You must be jesus.

That was so pathetically weak. :roll:

well you sounded like you had the inside scoop on god and you hunt terrorists. That sounds like jesus to me.

Stop trolling. Don't ruin an decent thread. Just stop now. Don't continue, just quit. Contribute legitimately to the conversation or bash me via PM.

 

[eigen]

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: Shawn

Originally posted by: Nik
If he COULD be updated, that means he CAN'T be God.

So does that mean God could make something heavy enough they not even he could lift?

Yes, if he chose to. And if he then chose to lift it, he could.

God is beyond our limited four dimensional understanding.

For a much better discussion of this idea check out Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis.

Lewis argues that the question is flawed to start with because our understanding of what he can and cannot do is too limited.

I forget what else he says in the book.

Thats a cheapass response.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: eigen

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: Shawn

Originally posted by: Nik
If he COULD be updated, that means he CAN'T be God.

So does that mean God could make something heavy enough they not even he could lift?

Yes, if he chose to. And if he then chose to lift it, he could.

God is beyond our limited four dimensional understanding.

For a much better discussion of this idea check out Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis.

Lewis argues that the question is flawed to start with because our understanding of what he can and cannot do is too limited.

I forget what else he says in the book.

Thats a cheapass response.

And yours is any better? :roll:

What do you find lacking in the concept that the question itself is flawed to begin with?

 

[sisq0kidd]

Originally posted by: eigen

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: Shawn

Originally posted by: Nik
If he COULD be updated, that means he CAN'T be God.

So does that mean God could make something heavy enough they not even he could lift?

Yes, if he chose to. And if he then chose to lift it, he could.

God is beyond our limited four dimensional understanding.

For a much better discussion of this idea check out Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis.

Lewis argues that the question is flawed to start with because our understanding of what he can and cannot do is too limited.

I forget what else he says in the book.

Thats a cheapass response.

Of course it is. Religion is designed in a way in which you cannot argue with it. In some ways, that's what makes it perfect.

I'm athiest though so I think it's all BS. No offense.

 

[IonYou]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Shawn

Originally posted by: Nik
If he COULD be updated, that means he CAN'T be God.

So does that mean God could make something heavy enough they not even he could lift?

Excellent question.

Originally posted by: IonYou

Originally posted by: Nik
If he COULD be updated, that means he CAN'T be God.

Why the hell not? Like you have the definitive knowledge of what god is?

Are you asking a serious question or are you legitimately ignorant?

Are you trying to evade the question because you are woefully inadequate in the gray area between your ears or are you legitimately ignorant? Oh but I repeat myself. Woe is me.

 

[BudAshes]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Xafgoat

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Xafgoat

Originally posted by: Nik
It's Terrorist Hunting Season and my permit number is 091101.

how do you find time to hunt terrorists and make 25 posts a day? You must be jesus.

That was so pathetically weak. :roll:

well you sounded like you had the inside scoop on god and you hunt terrorists. That sounds like jesus to me.

Stop trolling. Don't ruin an decent thread. Just stop now. Don't continue, just quit. Contribute legitimately to the conversation or bash me via PM.

i havent been around for a few weeks i just needed to take a few swings to get back into the groove.

and when did this become a decent thread?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd
Of course it is. Religion is designed in a way in which you cannot argue with it. In some ways, that's what makes it perfect.

I'm athiest though so I think it's all BS. No offense.

No offense taken. Just another closed-minded "athiest" to join the ranks. Religion is argued all over the world and constantly. Saying that you can't argue with it is ridiculously ignorant.

 

[eigen]

By the way Betrand Russel owns C.S Lewis in a cage match.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: IonYou
Are you trying to evade the question because you are woefully inadequate in the gray area between your ears or are you legitimately ignorant? Oh but I repeat myself. Woe is me.

Considering your initial question, I highly doubt you'd have the brain power necessary to process my response. Thanks for pretty much proving it. If you actually do want to have this conversation, lets do it without insulting each other. My retort was not meant as an insult; it was a real question. I didn't know whether you were joking or just uninformed. Apparently, you're just a troll too.

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd
Of course it is. Religion is designed in a way in which you cannot argue with it. In some ways, that's what makes it perfect.

I'm athiest though so I think it's all BS. No offense.

No offense taken. Just another closed-minded "athiest" to join the ranks. Religion is argued all over the world and constantly. Saying that you can't argue with it is ridiculously ignorant.

Actually, it seems to me far too many people try to argue something when they have no clue what they are talking about.

I rarely see people arguing opinions of a movie they have never viewed but I frequently see people arging the Bible even though they've never read it. It's really obvious to someone that has read it when that happens... much as it would be obvious that a person hasn't seen a movie if he's talking nonsense about it.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd
Of course it is. Religion is designed in a way in which you cannot argue with it. In some ways, that's what makes it perfect.

I'm athiest though so I think it's all BS. No offense.

No offense taken. Just another closed-minded "athiest" to join the ranks. Religion is argued all over the world and constantly. Saying that you can't argue with it is ridiculously ignorant.

Actually, it seems to me far too many people try to argue something when they have no clue what they are talking about.

I rarely see people arguing opinions of a movie they have never viewed but I frequently see people arging the Bible even though they've never read it. It's really obvious to someone that has read it when that happens... much as it would be obvious that a person hasn't seen a movie if he's talking nonsense about it.

Okay so it's not possible to argue against religion because of how it's designed, but yet people do it anyway. Which stance are you going to take, then? That you CAN argue religion? or that you cannot?

Anyway, I'm going to agree with your second statement, not your first. Way too many people talk about the Bible like they know it better than they do. I don't have much of a problem with that. I have a problem with folks that refuse to consider arguing with an open mind.

 

[sisq0kidd]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd
Of course it is. Religion is designed in a way in which you cannot argue with it. In some ways, that's what makes it perfect.

I'm athiest though so I think it's all BS. No offense.

No offense taken. Just another closed-minded "athiest" to join the ranks. Religion is argued all over the world and constantly. Saying that you can't argue with it is ridiculously ignorant.

I don't think one can argue with religion because it is faith based. I'm not talking about it in a physical sense, but in a spiritual sense.

You can't bring to the table an argument of logic against religion because faith is its foothold.

But like I said, I think that's what makes religion so perfect. It is designed in such a way where there are answers to things that even science cannot provide.

 

[eigen]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: eigen

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: Shawn

Originally posted by: Nik
If he COULD be updated, that means he CAN'T be God.

So does that mean God could make something heavy enough they not even he could lift?

Yes, if he chose to. And if he then chose to lift it, he could.

God is beyond our limited four dimensional understanding.

For a much better discussion of this idea check out Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis.

Lewis argues that the question is flawed to start with because our understanding of what he can and cannot do is too limited.

I forget what else he says in the book.

Thats a cheapass response.

And yours is any better? :roll:

What do you find lacking in the concept that the question itself is flawed to begin with?

Lewis was not an agnostic correct.
But yet he is willing to say there are things about god which are unknowable, these non-sense questions that we ask.But is he willing to say that the existence of god is unknowable,no he does not. In fact he states "A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell.
C. S. Lewis "

So that answer is self-serving.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd
I don't think one can argue with religion because it is faith based. I'm not talking about it in a physical sense, but in a spiritual sense.

You can't bring to the table an argument of logic against religion because faith is its foothold.

But like I said, I think that's what makes religion so perfect. It is designed in such a way where there are answers to things that even science cannot provide.

Is that why you've chosen "athiesm"?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: eigen
Lewis was not an agnostic correct.
But yet he is willing to say there are things about god which are unknowable, these non-sense questions that we ask.But is he willing to say that the existence of god is unknowable,no he does not. In fact he states "A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell.
C. S. Lewis "

So that answer is self-serving.

So you think that his not being agnostic debunks the rest of his opinion? What about that do you not agree with?

 

[IonYou]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: IonYou
Are you trying to evade the question because you are woefully inadequate in the gray area between your ears or are you legitimately ignorant? Oh but I repeat myself. Woe is me.

Considering your initial question, I highly doubt you'd have the brain power necessary to process my response. Thanks for pretty much proving it. If you actually do want to have this conversation, lets do it without insulting each other. My retort was not meant as an insult; it was a real question. I didn't know whether you were joking or just uninformed. Apparently, you're just a troll too.

Your ill founded baseless doubts about my "brain power" as you put it don't impress me. Rather they show you for the defensive frightened little creature you are all too worried about how others will perceive him and lashing out at the first sign of conflict. Your retort wasn't meant as an insult. Right. Neither was mine. Right? Just a troll too? As in you are one as well? No need to inform us of that, we were already well aware of that.

It was a simple question. instead of answering it, you lashed out like a frightened little school girl. I suppose argumentatively backing yourself into a corner left you with no other choice. But that was your doing not mine. I just called you on it. Have a nice night.

 

[DAGTA]

Many people have closed minds, on both sides of the fence.

If you are a man of faith, you should expect to be ridiculed and verbally abused. That's nothing compared to what other believers have suffered throughout history. When I get frustrated in a debate about faith, God, or religion, I often just leave the thread. Better that than say something that could possibly turn away one person that might be curious about God.

People can and will choose to argue whatever they like. They will often make fools of themselves by displaying their ignorance of the subject matter when writing their posts about various aspects of a faith or religion. However, the Bible is, and always has been, a point of controversy and everyone feels qualified to enter the debate even if all of their understanding is based on heresay. Much like armchair quarterbacks... they may have never played a game of football in their lives but that doesn't stop them from yelling at the TV telling the couch he's stupid and doing it all wrong.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: IonYou
Your ill founded baseless doubts about my "brain power" as you put it don't impress me. Rather they show you for the defensive frightened little creature you are all too worried about how others will perceive him and lashing out at the first sign of conflict. Your retort wasn't meant as an insult. Right. Neither was mine. Right? Just a troll too? As in you are one as well? No need to inform us of that, we were already well aware of that.

It was a simple question. instead of answering it, you lashed out like a frightened little school girl. I suppose argumentatively backing yourself into a corner left you with no other choice. But that was your doing not mine. I just called you on it. Have a nice night.

Hardly. Your exaggerations do little more than show your immaturity.

Please.

Grow up.

Stop trolling. Like I've asked you to do, either contribute or go do something else.

 

[sisq0kidd]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd
I don't think one can argue with religion because it is faith based. I'm not talking about it in a physical sense, but in a spiritual sense.

You can't bring to the table an argument of logic against religion because faith is its foothold.

But like I said, I think that's what makes religion so perfect. It is designed in such a way where there are answers to things that even science cannot provide.

Is that why you've chosen "athiesm"?

Well, I didn't exactly choose athiesm, but I feel as if that's the closest word to describe me.

I always thought that faith is what drives religion and I think it's the element that I am missing. To me, faith chooses you and not the other way around so maybe I am waiting for something.

So in the end, I'm not exactly choosing athiesm, but more that it is default for those who have no faith in God... yet.