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[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Nebor
Call me a satan worshipping liberal if you will, but why is this against the law? I mean, I understand that it's something that's not looked up on well by society, but a law against it? It seems sort of strange when you think about it.

normally incest involves some sort of unwillingness on the part of one participant.

So why not make it illegal for one person to force another person to have sex with7 them against their will?

We'll make up a crazy term for it too...like rayp or something like that...

it's usually a more insidious form of abuse than what is commonly recognized for rape.

So outlaw that abuse then, not the consensual sex between two adults.

Nice job on tactfully leaving out the word "related". :roll:

So outlaw that related abuse then, not the consensual related sex between two related adults.

Happy?

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: NFS4
Dude, why in the fvck would you want to fvck your sister? Good gawd that is just beyond reproach. And people in here don't seem to have a problem with it morally????:Q:Q:Q:Q:|

What if this bastard had been caught fvcking his (hypothetical) 25 year old daughter? Would you feel the same?

People have different morals from me and I respect cultural differences. I wouldn't recommend or encourage such activity, but as long as it's done between two consenting adults, I wouldn't vote to outlaw it.

How about a 45 year old man and his 18 year old daughter? Still OK?

**Shudders** This world is fvcked up

Yes. They're both adults.

45-year-olds have sex with 18-year-olds all the time (or they could at least) and it's not statutory rape

I agree. But then you have to think, what's the difference between an 18 year old and a 17 and 340 day year old. The law sees a difference, but are they really different people? Where do you draw the line? A 14 year old? What's really the difference?

I find at that point it's easier to stop caring than to try and decide what's right and wrong.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: NFS4
Dude, why in the fvck would you want to fvck your sister? Good gawd that is just beyond reproach. And people in here don't seem to have a problem with it morally????:Q:Q:Q:Q:|

What if this bastard had been caught fvcking his (hypothetical) 25 year old daughter? Would you feel the same?

i wouldn't - even if i had one . . . but i don't care what brothers and sisters do in OTHER families [hopefully it is safe sex]. why should YOU care? it's not "in front of" you. . . . you are not forced to watch.

And SO WHAT if a man or woman has sex with his mentally sound consenting ADULT son or daughter? Why does it bother you what OTHER people do?

I can't believe I'm hearing this...my brain is on overload.

**MAKE IT STOP**MAKE IT STOP**

 

[mobobuff]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Nebor
Call me a satan worshipping liberal if you will, but why is this against the law? I mean, I understand that it's something that's not looked up on well by society, but a law against it? It seems sort of strange when you think about it.

normally incest involves some sort of unwillingness on the part of one participant.

So why not make it illegal for one person to force another person to have sex with7 them against their will?

We'll make up a crazy term for it too...like rayp or something like that...

it's usually a more insidious form of abuse than what is commonly recognized for rape.

So outlaw that abuse then, not the consensual sex between two adults.

Nice job on tactfully leaving out the word "related". :roll:

So outlaw that related abuse then, not the consensual related sex between two related adults.

Happy?

Yeah, but now it just sounds creepy

 

[illustri]

Originally posted by: daniel1113
The article is socking, but nowhere as shocking as some of the responses in this thread.

hey, i can respect your views or practices to the contrary, but in my opinion incest is wrong

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: NFS4
Dude, why in the fvck would you want to fvck your sister? Good gawd that is just beyond reproach. And people in here don't seem to have a problem with it morally????:Q:Q:Q:Q:|

What if this bastard had been caught fvcking his (hypothetical) 25 year old daughter? Would you feel the same?

i don't believe it's okay at all. but in the end it IS two consenting adults. if the proper birth control methods are taken why is it a felony? i have moral objections to other things but i'm told it's not my business what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom.

 

[mobobuff]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: NFS4
Dude, why in the fvck would you want to fvck your sister? Good gawd that is just beyond reproach. And people in here don't seem to have a problem with it morally????:Q:Q:Q:Q:|

What if this bastard had been caught fvcking his (hypothetical) 25 year old daughter? Would you feel the same?

i wouldn't - even if i had one . . . but i don't care what brothers and sisters do in OTHER families [hopefully it is safe sex]. why should YOU care? it's not "in front of" you. . . . you are not forced to watch.

And SO WHAT if a man or woman has sex with his mentally sound consenting ADULT son or daughter? Why does it bother you what OTHER people do?

I can't believe I'm hearing this...my brain is on overload.

**MAKE IT STOP**MAKE IT STOP**

I know, I know It's killing me too.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: illustri

Originally posted by: daniel1113
The article is socking, but nowhere as shocking as some of the responses in this thread.

hey, i can respect your views or practices to the contrary, but in my opinion incest is wrong

How do you know what my view is?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: apoppin

care to prove that? studies? links?

Your opinion?

IF it is really the case - then the ABUSE should be stopped . . . there ARE CURRENT very strong laws already against abuse.

Why should we treat a "symptom" [incest] when we can get the cause [abuse]?

it's easier to show the incest happened than the subtle abuse that may have started decades ago.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: NFS4
Dude, why in the fvck would you want to fvck your sister? Good gawd that is just beyond reproach. And people in here don't seem to have a problem with it morally????:Q:Q:Q:Q:|

What if this bastard had been caught fvcking his (hypothetical) 25 year old daughter? Would you feel the same?

i wouldn't - even if i had one . . . but i don't care what brothers and sisters do in OTHER families [hopefully it is safe sex]. why should YOU care? it's not "in front of" you. . . . you are not forced to watch.

And SO WHAT if a man or woman has sex with his mentally sound consenting ADULT son or daughter? Why does it bother you what OTHER people do?

I can't believe I'm hearing this...my brain is on overload.

**MAKE IT STOP**MAKE IT STOP**

I know, I know It's killing me too.

Meh...I'm sure some of the things you and I do would morally shock people in other parts of the world as well.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

So outlaw that abuse then, not the consensual sex between two adults.

it is, but there is a giant proof problem.

 

[Kilrsat]

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: NFS4
Dude, why in the fvck would you want to fvck your sister? Good gawd that is just beyond reproach. And people in here don't seem to have a problem with it morally????:Q:Q:Q:Q:|

What if this bastard had been caught fvcking his (hypothetical) 25 year old daughter? Would you feel the same?

i wouldn't - even if i had one . . . but i don't care what brothers and sisters do in OTHER families [hopefully it is safe sex]. why should YOU care? it's not "in front of" you. . . . you are not forced to watch.

And SO WHAT if a man or woman has sex with his mentally sound consenting ADULT son or daughter? Why does it bother you what OTHER people do?

I can't believe I'm hearing this...my brain is on overload.

**MAKE IT STOP**MAKE IT STOP**

I know, I know It's killing me too.

I've heard repeatedly "the government should not legislate morality." So here is the next big test. If the government should stay out of people's personal lives, then there is no reason to outlaw consentual sex between two adults. What they do behind closed doors is their business be they man, woman, brother, sister, great-grandmother, daughter, whatever.

Some group has been calling for getting the government out of the morality business, so let's do it.

 

[GeekDrew]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: apoppin

care to prove that? studies? links?

Your opinion?

IF it is really the case - then the ABUSE should be stopped . . . there ARE CURRENT very strong laws already against abuse.

Why should we treat a "symptom" [incest] when we can get the cause [abuse]?

it's easier to show the incest happened than the subtle abuse that may have started decades ago.

I want to see some studies behind that...

I know a couple of families in which incest occurs (in the same generation, and these are all men (gay)), and I know them well enough to know that they were not abused, are not being abused, and are not abusing anyone else.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: NFS4
Dude, why in the fvck would you want to fvck your sister? Good gawd that is just beyond reproach. And people in here don't seem to have a problem with it morally????:Q:Q:Q:Q:|

What if this bastard had been caught fvcking his (hypothetical) 25 year old daughter? Would you feel the same?

i wouldn't - even if i had one . . . but i don't care what brothers and sisters do in OTHER families [hopefully it is safe sex]. why should YOU care? it's not "in front of" you. . . . you are not forced to watch.

And SO WHAT if a man or woman has sex with his mentally sound consenting ADULT son or daughter? Why does it bother you what OTHER people do?

I can't believe I'm hearing this...my brain is on overload.

**MAKE IT STOP**MAKE IT STOP**

just 'cause you may be "cloistered" dsoesn't mean the rest of us are.

OTHER than a religious reason - why do YOU even care?

and do you think they should GET TEN YEARS IN JAIL for incest?
:thumbsdown:

 

[mobobuff]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: NFS4
Dude, why in the fvck would you want to fvck your sister? Good gawd that is just beyond reproach. And people in here don't seem to have a problem with it morally????:Q:Q:Q:Q:|

What if this bastard had been caught fvcking his (hypothetical) 25 year old daughter? Would you feel the same?

i wouldn't - even if i had one . . . but i don't care what brothers and sisters do in OTHER families [hopefully it is safe sex]. why should YOU care? it's not "in front of" you. . . . you are not forced to watch.

And SO WHAT if a man or woman has sex with his mentally sound consenting ADULT son or daughter? Why does it bother you what OTHER people do?

I can't believe I'm hearing this...my brain is on overload.

**MAKE IT STOP**MAKE IT STOP**

I know, I know It's killing me too.

Meh...I'm sure some of the things you and I do would morally shock people in other parts of the world as well.

I won't disagree with you there. But this particular practice is like pissing in the gene pool, it's dealing with a practice that ensures the reproduction and survival of humans. It functions on the basis of HUMANITY. The fact that I'm human makes this repulsive to me.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: minendo
In Indiana it's not even a crime.

Fixed your typo

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

So outlaw that abuse then, not the consensual sex between two adults.

it is, but there is a giant proof problem.

So, assuming that the incest is not the actual crime, do you feel bad that based on your logic, some guilty people are going unpunished (those that abuse relatives in this way but do not have sex with them) and some innocent people are getting punished (those that simply have sex with relatives)?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: NFS4
Dude, why in the fvck would you want to fvck your sister? Good gawd that is just beyond reproach. And people in here don't seem to have a problem with it morally????:Q:Q:Q:Q:|

What if this bastard had been caught fvcking his (hypothetical) 25 year old daughter? Would you feel the same?

i wouldn't - even if i had one . . . but i don't care what brothers and sisters do in OTHER families [hopefully it is safe sex]. why should YOU care? it's not "in front of" you. . . . you are not forced to watch.

And SO WHAT if a man or woman has sex with his mentally sound consenting ADULT son or daughter? Why does it bother you what OTHER people do?

I can't believe I'm hearing this...my brain is on overload.

**MAKE IT STOP**MAKE IT STOP**

Remember that X-Files episode, Home?

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: NFS4
Dude, why in the fvck would you want to fvck your sister? Good gawd that is just beyond reproach. And people in here don't seem to have a problem with it morally????:Q:Q:Q:Q:|

What if this bastard had been caught fvcking his (hypothetical) 25 year old daughter? Would you feel the same?

i wouldn't - even if i had one . . . but i don't care what brothers and sisters do in OTHER families [hopefully it is safe sex]. why should YOU care? it's not "in front of" you. . . . you are not forced to watch.

And SO WHAT if a man or woman has sex with his mentally sound consenting ADULT son or daughter? Why does it bother you what OTHER people do?

I can't believe I'm hearing this...my brain is on overload.

**MAKE IT STOP**MAKE IT STOP**

just 'cause you may be "cloistered" dsoesn't mean the rest of us are.

OTHER than a religious reason - why do YOU even care?

and do you think they should GET TEN YEARS IN JAIL for incest?
:thumbsdown:

I've heard that NSF4 and his pals occasionally get together for a cloister fvck.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: NFS4
Dude, why in the fvck would you want to fvck your sister? Good gawd that is just beyond reproach. And people in here don't seem to have a problem with it morally????:Q:Q:Q:Q:|

What if this bastard had been caught fvcking his (hypothetical) 25 year old daughter? Would you feel the same?

i wouldn't - even if i had one . . . but i don't care what brothers and sisters do in OTHER families [hopefully it is safe sex]. why should YOU care? it's not "in front of" you. . . . you are not forced to watch.

And SO WHAT if a man or woman has sex with his mentally sound consenting ADULT son or daughter? Why does it bother you what OTHER people do?

I can't believe I'm hearing this...my brain is on overload.

**MAKE IT STOP**MAKE IT STOP**

just 'cause you may be "cloistered" dsoesn't mean the rest of us are.

OTHER than a religious reason - why do YOU even care?

and do you think they should GET TEN YEARS IN JAIL for incest?
:thumbsdown:

You cared enough (as did I) to reply to this thread. Do you watch the news? Does every story that comes across the screen invoke this reponse from you ("I don't care, not my business"). I'm sorry, but I'm not that apathetic. Let's say that news comes across the screen that a 17 year old boy beats the sh!t out of his 16 year old brother? Do you just say, "Fvck it, I don't know those bastards" or do you feel some kind of hurt or pain for the party that has been wronged?

Sh!tty things happen all the time and different people have different ways of expressing their disdain for what goes on in the world. Neither party in this case may have "wronged" each other sense it was consentual, but I personally think that fvcking a relative is downright evil and beyond reproach and I react as such.

As for the 10 years in jail, that's damn harsh but he shouldn't have been fvcking his sister.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: NFS4
Dude, why in the fvck would you want to fvck your sister? Good gawd that is just beyond reproach. And people in here don't seem to have a problem with it morally????:Q:Q:Q:Q:|

What if this bastard had been caught fvcking his (hypothetical) 25 year old daughter? Would you feel the same?

i wouldn't - even if i had one . . . but i don't care what brothers and sisters do in OTHER families [hopefully it is safe sex]. why should YOU care? it's not "in front of" you. . . . you are not forced to watch.

And SO WHAT if a man or woman has sex with his mentally sound consenting ADULT son or daughter? Why does it bother you what OTHER people do?

I can't believe I'm hearing this...my brain is on overload.

**MAKE IT STOP**MAKE IT STOP**

Remember that X-Files episode, Home?

No, care to fill me in?

 

[shimsham]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: NFS4
Dude, why in the fvck would you want to fvck your sister? Good gawd that is just beyond reproach. And people in here don't seem to have a problem with it morally????:Q:Q:Q:Q:|

What if this bastard had been caught fvcking his (hypothetical) 25 year old daughter? Would you feel the same?

People have different morals from me and I respect cultural differences. I wouldn't recommend or encourage such activity, but as long as it's done between two consenting adults, I wouldn't vote to outlaw it.

How about a 45 year old man and his 18 year old daughter? Still OK?

**Shudders** This world is fvcked up

Yes. They're both adults.

45-year-olds have sex with 18-year-olds all the time (or they could at least) and it's not statutory rape

I agree. But then you have to think, what's the difference between an 18 year old and a 17 and 340 day year old. The law sees a difference, but are they really different people? Where do you draw the line? A 14 year old? What's really the difference?

I find at that point it's easier to stop caring than to try and decide what's right and wrong.

wold you care if it was your son or daughter fooling around with a 30yo man who you knew had no interest other than sex, and was filling your childs head full of bs just to get in their pants?

theres a big difference between 14 and 17, even 14 and 16. mentally, a lot of teens arent mature or experienced enough to enter into relationships with a 40, 30, or even 25 yo "adults" and may be easily manipulated and preyed upon.

i agree that charging an 18 yo with stat rape on his 16 yo gf is ridiculous, but it doesnt happen that much. many states have guidlines based on age difference to stop charges like that.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: NFS4
Dude, why in the fvck would you want to fvck your sister? Good gawd that is just beyond reproach. And people in here don't seem to have a problem with it morally????:Q:Q:Q:Q:|

What if this bastard had been caught fvcking his (hypothetical) 25 year old daughter? Would you feel the same?

i wouldn't - even if i had one . . . but i don't care what brothers and sisters do in OTHER families [hopefully it is safe sex]. why should YOU care? it's not "in front of" you. . . . you are not forced to watch.

And SO WHAT if a man or woman has sex with his mentally sound consenting ADULT son or daughter? Why does it bother you what OTHER people do?

I can't believe I'm hearing this...my brain is on overload.

**MAKE IT STOP**MAKE IT STOP**

I know, I know It's killing me too.

Meh...I'm sure some of the things you and I do would morally shock people in other parts of the world as well.

I won't disagree with you there. But this particular practice is like pissing in the gene pool, it's dealing with a practice that ensures the reproduction and survival of humans. It functions on the basis of HUMANITY. The fact that I'm human makes this repulsive to me.

unprotected incestous sex may in fact be 'pissing in the gene pool' . . but . .

. . . What about gay incest? no interference whatsoever with your precious pool
=========================

Originally posted by: illustri

Originally posted by: daniel1113
The article is socking, but nowhere as shocking as some of the responses in this thread.

hey, i can respect your views or practices to the contrary, but in my opinion incest is wrong

i can also respect your views as long as you don't try to legislate morality for the rest of us. . . . i am not promoting incest . . . i just really don't care what consenting adults do sexually with each other . . . it doesn't "cost" society [like a lot of crap does].

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: NFS4
Dude, why in the fvck would you want to fvck your sister? Good gawd that is just beyond reproach. And people in here don't seem to have a problem with it morally????:Q:Q:Q:Q:|

What if this bastard had been caught fvcking his (hypothetical) 25 year old daughter? Would you feel the same?

i wouldn't - even if i had one . . . but i don't care what brothers and sisters do in OTHER families [hopefully it is safe sex]. why should YOU care? it's not "in front of" you. . . . you are not forced to watch.

And SO WHAT if a man or woman has sex with his mentally sound consenting ADULT son or daughter? Why does it bother you what OTHER people do?

I can't believe I'm hearing this...my brain is on overload.

**MAKE IT STOP**MAKE IT STOP**

I know, I know It's killing me too.

Meh...I'm sure some of the things you and I do would morally shock people in other parts of the world as well.

I won't disagree with you there. But this particular practice is like pissing in the gene pool, it's dealing with a practice that ensures the reproduction and survival of humans. It functions on the basis of HUMANITY. The fact that I'm human makes this repulsive to me.

So make the reproduction illegal, not the sex.

As you are repulsed by this act which messes with the "practice that ensures the reproduction and survival of humans," what other sexual practices are you against?

Originally posted by: shimsham
wold you care if it was your son or daughter fooling around with a 30yo man who you knew had no interest other than sex, and was filling your childs head full of bs just to get in their pants?

theres a big difference between 14 and 17, even 14 and 16. mentally, a lot of teens arent mature or experienced enough to enter into relationships with a 40, 30, or even 25 yo "adults" and may be easily manipulated and preyed upon.

i agree that charging an 18 yo with stat rape on his 16 yo gf is ridiculous, but it doesnt happen that much. many states have guidlines based on age difference to stop charges like that.

I would care if my son/daughter of any age was fooling around w/someone who had no interest in them other than sex.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: NFS4
I can't believe I'm hearing this...my brain is on overload.

**MAKE IT STOP**MAKE IT STOP**

Remember that X-Files episode, Home?

No, care to fill me in?

http://www.munchkyn.com/xf-rvws/homervw.html

In his Pulitzer Prize-winning play "Buried Child", actor and playwright Sam Shepard uses the image of a child's corpse unearthed in a family's backyard to speak to us of buried hopes and fears, and the dark secrets that can hold a family together. Just as silence can bind family members in a net of conspiracy and oppression, so are the inarticulate and grotesque Peacock brothers of "Home" entangled in a hopeless web of silence, ignorance, and depravity. Whether this is a deliberate echo of the dark secrets that bound and divided the Mulder family, in which "normal" parental feeling was sacrificed for a "greater cause", I can't decide. But Glen Morgan and Jim Wong's long-awaited return to The X-Files is definitely disturbing, thought-provoking, and nasty.

Mulder and Scully are sent to Home, Pennsylvania to investigate the live burial of a deformed infant, a child entombed in a sandlot under home plate next door to a local family well known for its incestuous ways. They are urged to stay and investigate by the down-home Sheriff Andy Taylor (Tucker Smallwood) and his deputy Barney (Sebastian Spence), who repeatedly reinforce the image of a town where no one locks his doors and everyone is a good neighbor. This bucolic Mayberry is shattered when Taylor and his wife are bludgeoned to death in one of the most horrific death scenes ever shown on The X-Files. I suspect it was the stunning brutality of their murder, not the theme of incest, that finally brought forth a Parental Guidance warning from the Fox network. Matters escalate as Scully becomes convinced that the horribly disfigured newborn was birthed by a woman held captive by the Peacock recluses, and the agents move in on a house so filled with horror it would have sent Norman Bates screaming in terror. Incest, ignorance, infanticide and three very gruesome murders combine in an episode with little suspense, no X-File, and all the sick fascination of a multiple car wreck....

Another link:
http://www.morganandwongonline.com/home.html