God is real: SCIENTIFIC PROOF!

[Subyman]

So what is at the end of the universe, a fucking door, a wall? What is "outside" of the universe?

Shit science can't even prove that our entire universe isn't a single molecue in a larger universe. We are limited by our ability to observe. We are in the system, there is absolutey no way for us to ever get out of the system to observe the reality of the situation.

Can't prove everything = believe in fairy tales?

 

[bshole]

Can't prove everything = believe in fairy tales?

No, I just don't believe that scientists can know the extent of the universe. They CAN know how far a star is away from us, in which direction it is moving with relationship to us, etc.... I accept everything they observe as scientific. When they go into happy horseshit mode telling us how big the universe was, how it started, etc.... that is when I check out. I am agnostic on all that crap. They are basing all of those theories on what they can observe from earth. There is a much better chance than not that all their theories are for shit because of the limitations of their observation field.

I belive the universe is eternal and infinite. My mind cannot fathom a finite universe because I would have to know what is outside of it. If the universe is indeed everything, then there can be nothing outside of it, that does not compute for me.

 

[KB]

Where did they get this guy? He mentions the "laws of nature predate the universe" and claims that since god predates the universe, it must be god that created the laws of nature. Unfortunately the laws of nature (gravity etc.) were created shortly after the big bang.
According to Einstein time didn't exist until the speed of light did, which didn't exist until after the big bang. Gravity wasn't created until mass was created, but mass also wasn't created until after the big bang. If you are going to use science to prove something as big as god, at least know your science.

 

[BurnItDwn]

I once heard a person telling a lie, so I yelled, LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE. His pants did not catch on fire.

The world is a lie.

 

[KlokWyze]

Well since there used to be Gods and now there is only one God I'm guessing he must have killed off all his peers and now, like judge dread, he is the law.

lol

 

[KlokWyze]

No, I just don't believe that scientists can know the extent of the universe. They CAN know how far a star is away from us, in which direction it is moving with relationship to us, etc.... I accept everything they observe as scientific. When they go into happy horseshit mode telling us how big the universe was, how it started, etc.... that is when I check out. I am agnostic on all that crap. They are basing all of those theories on what they can observe from earth. There is a much better chance than not that all their theories are for shit because of the limitations of their observation field.

I belive the universe is eternal and infinite. My mind cannot fathom a finite universe because I would have to know what is outside of it. If the universe is indeed everything, then there can be nothing outside of it, that does not compute for me.

In a manner of speaking anything that exists is eternal and infinite, it just depends on you measure it. People, observers, etc. define objects how they see fit. It's all technically empirical.

Certain theories that say that this universe is finite typically involves other outside universes, planes, dimensions, etc. that can't be observed from inside this one, at least with our current tech. Why can't you compute that?

 

[Vdubchaos]

His words prove nothing.

Where is the actual evidence. Anyone can create theories based on theories and make them "seem" true.

And he still doesn't address any of George Carlin issues on the subject (which I personally think are ALL valid).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RT6rL2UroE

The guy has PHD and went to MIT AND he believes in the "invisible man, living in the sky"?

hehe

To me, this is simply more proof that you can get all of the education in the world, it doesn't make you smart.

 

[moonbogg]

I'm still a non believer, but I admit that something interesting happened, and that says a lot. It really says quite the lot.

 

[ioni]

So what is at the end of the universe, a fucking door, a wall? What is "outside" of the universe?

Same thing that's at the end of a globe.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

I think you have to really try to turn a blind eye to the evidence to think this huge universe was created just so we can occupy this little spec of dust.

That's because you lack faith. See, I'm grateful to God for taking the time to make countless stars that can only be seen with specialized equipment positioned outside our own atmosphere, and countless others that we may never actually be able to observe through any technology we ever develop. I mean, if he had it to do over, maybe spend a little less time on stars we'll never see and a little more time ironing out the kinks so that this ball we're on isn't constantly trying to kill us with earthquakes and volcanoes and hurricanes and tornadoes and lightning and tsunamis and blizzards and whatnot. Maybe sprinkle a little more fresh water around so it's not so hard to track down and places like the Sahara could be cultivated. And maybe make us all a little taller, or give us gills, or wings, or an innate bullshit detector or something cool like that. What good is septillions of stars if the people he made them for can't ever see them? That doesn't seem to make any sense...

Shit, better stop thinking about this logically. That never ends well for God.

 

[Subyman]

No, I just don't believe that scientists can know the extent of the universe. They CAN know how far a star is away from us, in which direction it is moving with relationship to us, etc.... I accept everything they observe as scientific. When they go into happy horseshit mode telling us how big the universe was, how it started, etc.... that is when I check out. I am agnostic on all that crap. They are basing all of those theories on what they can observe from earth. There is a much better chance than not that all their theories are for shit because of the limitations of their observation field.

I belive the universe is eternal and infinite. My mind cannot fathom a finite universe because I would have to know what is outside of it. If the universe is indeed everything, then there can be nothing outside of it, that does not compute for me.

Reality doesn't have to fit into your head. When they say "nothing" that means nothing that we can observe. Perhaps it is filled with stuff we can't see or know or feel or ever observe. That, however, is a philosophical discussion. Science only pertains to what can be observed.

 

[moonbogg]

Same thing that's at the end of a globe.

That's really clever, except that globes DO have something outside of them. They have space outside of them. But what does the universe have outside of it? Its not the same question. You can't sweep it under the rug and be like, "Oh well its a sphere but a weird sphere therefore no god".

 

[moonbogg]

Reality doesn't have to fit into your head. When they say "nothing" that means nothing that we can observe. Perhaps it is filled with stuff we can't see or know or feel or ever observe. That, however, is a philosophical discussion. Science only pertains to what can be observed.

And that's why science is fucking BORRING when it comes to life's big questions.

 

[Subyman]

That's really clever, except that globes DO have something outside of them. They have space outside of them. But what does the universe have outside of it? Its not the same question. You can't sweep it under the rug and be like, "Oh well its a sphere but a weird sphere therefore no god".

Science doesn't care at all about a "god" and certainly isn't out to disprove a god. Religious people are stuck on trying to fit science into their beliefs. Not the other way around (as in scientists trying to disprove god.)

 

[IronWing]

That's really clever, except that globes DO have something outside of them. They have space outside of them. But what does the universe have outside of it? Its not the same question. You can't sweep it under the rug and be like, "Oh well its a sphere but a weird sphere therefore no god".

Packing peanuts. Happy? There is no intelligent answer to your question as there is no observed data and, so far, no method of observation to peer beyond the edge as it is moving away at the speed of light.

If a god is out there he is being chased into the shadows by the advancing light. From a theological perspective, not a very satisfying thing for a god to do.

 

[Subyman]

And that's why science is fucking BORRING when it comes to life's big questions.

Those questions are pointless. There are no answers. There are, however, people willing to "answer" them to get ahead in this world.

That is exactly why religious people need to stop requisitioning science to ease their doubt or prove to others. Science can not answer the questions that belief tries to tackle.

 

[moonbogg]

Those questions are pointless. There are no answers. There are, however, people willing to "answer" them to get ahead in this world.

That is exactly why religious people need to stop requisitioning science to ease their doubt or prove to others. Science can not answer the questions that belief tries to tackle.

That's why those people are idiots. They claim to know what can't be known yet. I like the smart people who have strong science backgrounds but aren't afraid to speculate and ask questions that they know can't be answered yet. They talk about the what if's and venture beyond science with their imagination. That's the exciting stuff for me.

A great example of what I mean is http://www.closertotruth.com/

My favorite source as of late. GREAT STUFF there. I love it and can't get enough.

Also, those questions might be pointless to you, but they mean a whole lot to me and many others.

 

[Paul98]

And I can prove that god doesn't exist, all observations show the universe to be logical, make sense, and self consistent.

 

[Paul98]

No, I just don't believe that scientists can know the extent of the universe. They CAN know how far a star is away from us, in which direction it is moving with relationship to us, etc.... I accept everything they observe as scientific. When they go into happy horseshit mode telling us how big the universe was, how it started, etc.... that is when I check out. I am agnostic on all that crap. They are basing all of those theories on what they can observe from earth. There is a much better chance than not that all their theories are for shit because of the limitations of their observation field.

I belive the universe is eternal and infinite. My mind cannot fathom a finite universe because I would have to know what is outside of it. If the universe is indeed everything, then there can be nothing outside of it, that does not compute for me.

You clearly don't know how hard it is to figure out how far a star is away from us.

 

[ioni]

That's really clever, except that globes DO have something outside of them. They have space outside of them. But what does the universe have outside of it? Its not the same question. You can't sweep it under the rug and be like, "Oh well its a sphere but a weird sphere therefore no god".

You missed my point. We are 3D beings living in a 3D space. When moving around a globe you can only move left/right or up/down. To go outside the globe you have to move in a 3rd dimension. In the same way, to go outside our universe, we'd have to move in a 4th dimension. I obviously can't state this as a fact, but just the point I was making.

 

[John Connor]

**sigh** I bet if a MIT **insert major, doctorate/accomplishment here** were to say GOD IS FUCKING HORSE SHIT! Most you ATOT idiots would give applause. But when it's a statement from the other side from non other than an accomplished MIT guy you chastise them.

He's very right in saying you can't create something from nothing and the"laws" prove there is a creator.

There is one science that a lot of people never think of when these threads come up on here: Biblical archaeology. Jesus did exist. Whether he was the son of God well, that takes something called faith.

 

[IronWing]

**sigh** I bet if a MIT **insert major, doctorate/accomplishment here** were to say GOD IS FUCKING HORSE SHIT! Most you ATOT idiots would give applause. But when it's a statement from the other side from non other than an accomplished MIT guy you chastise them.

False equivalence, there aren't two sides.

 

[sandorski]

He's very right in saying you can't create something from nothing and the"laws" prove there is a creator.

There is one science that a lot of people never think of when these threads come up on here: Biblical archaeology. Jesus did exist. Whether he was the son of God well, that takes something called faith.

He's wrong by assuming that Nothing is something.

What about Biblical Archeology?

How do you Know that Jesus existed?

 

[Jeff7]

You clearly don't know how hard it is to figure out how far a star is away from us.

Or how about figuring out if there's a planet around another star.


Reference point: The Sun is 99.86% of the mass of our solar system, and it actively produces and radiates a lot of energy. 70% of the trivially-small remainder is contained in one planet, Jupiter.

Distance: The Solar System's diameter out at Neptune is.....5,600,000,000 miles.
1 light year is over 1000x that, 5,900,000,000,000 miles.

Look at a star 10 light years away.
Try to find a tiny speck of that star system, a planet which isn't radiating its own light, and which is orbiting relatively close to the extremely bright star. Then get a feel for how big it is, and how far it is from its star.



And to think, these silly scientists actually think they might be somewhat competent.




(Though from what we're seeing, the answer to the question "Are there planets around this star we're looking at?" is likely to be "Yes" without the need to bother to check. Sufficient matter coalesces to form a star, there are leftovers, the leftovers clump together, you have planets.)

No, I just don't believe that scientists can know the extent of the universe. They CAN know how far a star is away from us, in which direction it is moving with relationship to us, etc.... I accept everything they observe as scientific. When they go into happy horseshit mode telling us how big the universe was, how it started, etc.... that is when I check out. I am agnostic on all that crap. They are basing all of those theories on what they can observe from earth. There is a much better chance than not that all their theories are for shit because of the limitations of their observation field.

Science isn't going to be 100% correct. It's a process of refining our knowledge and constantly building on it.
What we can observe about the Universe indicates that it was at one time both very small and very hot, and that it is now expanding. Some manner of largish eruption of space, time, and matter from a tiny point is one way of producing such a result.

I belive the universe is eternal and infinite. My mind cannot fathom a finite universe because I would have to know what is outside of it. If the universe is indeed everything, then there can be nothing outside of it, that does not compute for me.

Plenty of people can't fathom how a machine as complex and heavy as an Airbus A380 is able to fly, but there's quite a lot of evidence supporting the idea that they can indeed fly. Mass delusion?

Belief does not trump reality.

Or perhaps a simplistic artificial intelligence cannot fathom a universe larger than the computer in which it is enclosed. What would you say of its belief that there is nothing outside of its comfortable little box?

That's because you lack faith. See, I'm grateful to God for taking the time to make countless stars that can only be seen with specialized equipment positioned outside our own atmosphere, and countless others that we may never actually be able to observe through any technology we ever develop. I mean, if he had it to do over, maybe spend a little less time on stars we'll never see and a little more time ironing out the kinks so that this ball we're on isn't constantly trying to kill us with earthquakes and volcanoes and hurricanes and tornadoes and lightning and tsunamis and blizzards and whatnot. Maybe sprinkle a little more fresh water around so it's not so hard to track down and places like the Sahara could be cultivated. And maybe make us all a little taller, or give us gills, or wings, or an innate bullshit detector or something cool like that. What good is septillions of stars if the people he made them for can't ever see them? That doesn't seem to make any sense...

Shit, better stop thinking about this logically. That never ends well for God.

It's for our own good, ultimately. There are growing tips for certain plants that include things like "Exhibits beautiful coloration when distressed." So you abuse the plant, doing only what you need to do to keep it alive, and enjoy the colorful display of its tortured screams of anguish.


Stars we can't get to? So he's a man of exceptional means, building something the size of a planet for the sake of housing his collection of fascinating microbes. Sure it'll take them a damn long time to really thoroughly take over the planet, but they'll eventually get there.
Sure it might take Earth-based life a hundred quintillion generations to inhabit/infest the Universe, but god just didn't want to be bothered upgrading to a bigger terrarium for a long time. And thanks to all the constant suffering, we'll be amazingly kickass lifeforms by that time.

 

[schmuckley]

So basically, we don't have a good answer for what caused the big bang (or other event that created the universe), so therefore jesus.

pretty much..yes
Do you have a better explanation?
Kent Hovind gets released this year
I like Kent Hovind.
He makes more sense than Liberal shills on anand..that's for sure.