God is real: SCIENTIFIC PROOF!

[OverVolt]

Truth hurts. Skeptics, winning since at least 200CE.

How do you propose evolution would work if the weak didn't die off genius? Without winners and losers, success and failures, what is the point of success without the risk of failure?

Good job you're still 5 years old in maturity.

People who get hung up on this type of stuff are probably low IQ. Or you just hate religion and are grasping for reasons to justify it. Which would make you six years old at least.

 

[Ruptga]

How do you propose evolution would work if the weak didn't die off genius? Without winners and losers, success and failures, what is the point of success without the risk of failure?

Good job you're still 5 years old in maturity.

People who get hung up on this type of stuff are probably low IQ. Or you just hate religion and are grasping for reasons to justify it. Which would make you six years old.

Oh, so your god can do anything he wants, except overcome evolution? That actually explains a few things.

Any god worthy of the title could make a universe with arbitrary rules, and any true god that wasn't a dick would make a universe where suffering isn't a necessary component of that universe's natural functioning.

Edit: I added your edit specifically so I could link to this. I realize you're not Alky, but I can't be bothered to take another one. Do keep the ad hominem coming though, I love it when my opponent defeats themself for me.

 

[OverVolt]

Oh, so your god can do anything he wants, except overcome evolution? That actually explains a few things.

Any god worthy of the title could make a universe with arbitrary rules, and any true god that wasn't a dick would make a universe where suffering isn't a necessary component of that universe's natural functioning.

You sure there wasn't a copy of Clash of the Titans spliced into your 2nd grade bible or something?

 

[Ruptga]

You sure there wasn't a copy of Clash of the Titans spliced into your 2nd grade bible or something?

I didn't even know that was a thing until that stupid remake came out a few years ago, and I fail to see the relevance. I also fail to see any legitimate response from you. You done with your tantrum yet?

 

[OverVolt]

I didn't even know that was a thing until that stupid remake came out a few years ago, and I fail to see the relevance. I also fail to see any legitimate response from you. You done with your tantrum yet?

Yelling ad hominum is typical of the wiki/atheist/internet are my people types.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

If you want to play the fallacy game ad nauseam I guess the atheists shouldn't fall for argumentum ex silentio so frequently. Are you having fun yet?

Religion arguments are generally always red herrings on both sides.

Red herring fallacies[edit]
A red herring fallacy is an error in logic where a proposition is, or is intended to be, misleading in order to make irrelevant or false inferences. In the general case any logical inference based on fake arguments, intended to replace the lack of real arguments or to replace implicitly the subject of the discussion.

But only your side is right, right?

You can't argue dat shit its from wikipedia. Atheists love wikipedia.

 

[Ruptga]

A simple "no" would have sufficed.

 

[Jeff7]

Oh, so your god can do anything he wants, except overcome evolution? That actually explains a few things.

Any god worthy of the title could make a universe with arbitrary rules, and any true god that wasn't a dick would make a universe where suffering isn't a necessary component of that universe's natural functioning.

Edit: I added your edit specifically so I could link to this. I realize you're not Alky, but I can't be bothered to take another one. Do keep the ad hominem coming though, I love it when my opponent defeats themself for me.

The idea of god being a sadist or a dick isn't necessarily impossible either.

People say that Satan's best trick was convincing the world he doesn't exist.
An even better trick: Convincing the world that he's actually a benevolent and loving entity, and guiding them to call him God, but then screw them over in a variety of ways, ranging from subtle and minor to blatant and horrific.
Top tier Satan: Create an entire Universe for the purpose of trolling its inhabitants. Look where we are: By volume, the Universe is empty space. 99.999...[many more 9s]% of it is empty, entirely uninhabitable by us. We can only live on part of the surface of a lump of stellar leftovers. If we try to venture out too far in a spacecraft, there's enough radiation out there to kill us after awhile.

 

[OverVolt]

The idea of god being a sadist or a dick isn't necessarily impossible either.

People say that Satan's best trick was convincing the world he doesn't exist.
An even better trick: Convincing the world that he's actually a benevolent and loving entity, and guiding them to call him God, but then screw them over in a variety of ways, ranging from subtle and minor to blatant and horrific.
Top tier Satan: Create an entire Universe for the purpose of trolling its inhabitants. Look where we are: By volume, the Universe is empty space. 99.999...[many more 9s]% of it is empty, entirely uninhabitable by us. We can only live on part of the surface of a lump of stellar leftovers. If we try to venture out too far in a spacecraft, there's enough radiation out there to kill us after awhile.

Then god must come from within, cause we're still managing to survive! God must be the endurance of the human spirit!

Sorry, hah. Oh well.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

How do you propose evolution would work if the weak didn't die off genius?

That isn't how evolution works. Read a biology text.

Without winners and losers, success and failures, what is the point of success without the risk of failure?

There aren't "winners" and "losers" or "success" and "failure" in evolution. Those are value-judgments superimposed upon natural processes by humans to facilitate understanding and communication.

Evolution is what happens to imperfect replicators. Period.

 

[sandorski]

Then god must come from within, cause we're still managing to survive! God must be the endurance of the human spirit!

Sorry, hah. Oh well.

Or, we just strive to survive. No god required.

 

[OverVolt]

Or, we just strive to survive. No god required.

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

But why?

 

[Jeff7]

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

But why?

We're here, and you might as well make the best of it.


Short and simple:
The universe formed.
Conditions here permitted us to exist.
We're here.
Oh well.

 

[OverVolt]

We're here, and you might as well make the best of it.


Short and simple:
The universe formed.
Conditions here permitted us to exist.
We're here.
Oh well.

Yea and "making the best of it" is the fuzzy part. Spending time with friends? Making money at work to provide for kids? Volunteering to help others? Chillin at the bar with some beers?

Nothing is really wrong with any of that. But everyone has to decide what they want or they'll have regrets later. I think the atheists are the most likely to misuse their time and have regrets.

 

[IronWing]

Nothing is really wrong with any of that. But everyone has to decide what they want or they'll have regrets later. I think the atheists are the most likely to misuse their time and have regrets.

Please elaborate.

 

[Ruptga]

The idea of god being a sadist or a dick isn't necessarily impossible either.

I haven't argued that it is, but whether they don't exist or are dicks I don't want anything to do with any gods.

Somewhat related.

Nothing is really wrong with any of that. But everyone has to decide what they want or they'll have regrets later. I think the atheists are the most likely to misuse their time and have regrets.

Please elaborate.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

But why?

Why not?

 

[sandorski]

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

But why?

Because, that's one of the things we do.

 

[Jeff7]

Yea and "making the best of it" is the fuzzy part. Spending time with friends? Making money at work to provide for kids? Volunteering to help others? Chillin at the bar with some beers?

Nothing is really wrong with any of that. But everyone has to decide what they want or they'll have regrets later.

That's....pretty much it. "Best" is of course a subjective term. And you don't need to make the best of it either. There's no obligation either way. You can even become a Lifer at an online forum if you want to.

I think the atheists are the most likely to misuse their time and have regrets.

Why? One group figures that this life is just a prelude to something much better. You get anywhere from 0-120ish years here, but typically less than 80. Versus eternity in some kind of paradise? This life on Earth is, by comparison, utterly meaningless.

Or there's a group that believes you've got a single shot at being alive before entropy claims you forever. "You" don't exist for a damn long time, then you do for a bit, then you don't, and that's it.

 

[disappoint]

Yea and "making the best of it" is the fuzzy part. Spending time with friends? Making money at work to provide for kids? Volunteering to help others? Chillin at the bar with some beers?

Nothing is really wrong with any of that. But everyone has to decide what they want or they'll have regrets later. I think the atheists are the most likely to misuse their time and have regrets.

So what do theists do that atheists don't do so as not to misuse their time?

 

[HeavyD]

I think the atheists are the most likely to misuse their time and have regrets.

Please explain and share you experiences of regret as an Atheist.

 

[disappoint]

Please explain and share you experiences of regret as an Atheist.

LOL! That's a good one. Because he's an Atheist for all other deities but his own.

At first I was like...No he's a theist. Then I was like::awe::sneaky:

 

[ch33zw1z]

Yea and "making the best of it" is the fuzzy part. Spending time with friends? Making money at work to provide for kids? Volunteering to help others? Chillin at the bar with some beers?

Sure, whatever an individual is into that doesn't negatively affect others.

Nothing is really wrong with any of that. But everyone has to decide what they want or they'll have regrets later. I think the atheists are the most likely to misuse their time and have regrets.

I think that stance is telling of the way the theists mind is programmed to work. If someone isn't doing what your doing, then obviously it's a waste of time. *YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG, CONVERT*

 

[Fritzo]

That video is nothing more than a continuation of our previous use for God "I don't know what happened at this point, so God must have caused it."

Over history, we've used God as a placeholder due to human's need to attach a reason for everything.

"God created the sun and the Earth"- actually those were formed from debris left over from a super nova explosion.

"God creates the weather" - actually those are results of air currents caused be heating from the sun.

Etc etc...anything we couldn't explain, we would use God as a placeholder until an actual explanation was discovered.

The beginning of the universe and the medium out universe resides in is no different. The problem with getting actual scientific data from these points in time and these areas is we rely on some type of radiation to see happenings that far back. The fact that the universe was "dark" during that era makes it nearly impossible to see any happenings. We currently use computer simulations to reverse the data we can see to calculate what happened during the dark age, and so far it is consistent with the Big Bang theory.

We've also seen evidence that our universe isn't the only universe, and "bubbles" of universes are floating around in an inter-universal medium a lot like bubbles in soft drinks. These bubbles may form spontaneously, or form when one bubble collides with another. Each of these bubbles will most likely have their own laws of physics, as the balance of physical forces appears to be randomly distributed---which means we happened to have struck the lottery and live in a universe that allows matter to coalesce in such a way that life can eventually form. If gravity, for instance, was a bit stronger or a bit weaker, we wouldn't be here to wonder about it. Molecules simply wouldn't be able to form the way they do now. (On another note, gravity in our universe SHOULD be a lot stronger than the effects we feel now, but most of it is "leaking" somewhere. That's another lecture though ).

So, in a nutshell, simply equating "I don't know how that happened" with "evidence of God" is not evidence, it's assumption. Historically, every time we've said "God did that", it's been proven to be a part of a bigger system that didn't require a supreme being.

As for myself, I have an open mind about God. There COULD be a supreme being, but this being's role would be a lot bigger than any of use could imagine, and a lot different than anything in the bible. We would be so insignificant in the scheme of things that this "god" would not be paying attention to us as we would be mere specs on a spec on a spec on a spec. If you're looking for a god, you can look to the physics of our universe. Physical laws are what created us, so simply saying "God is physics" would be an accurate (but limiting) title.

 

[HeavyD]

LOL! That's a good one. Because he's an Atheist for all other deities but his own.

At first I was like...No he's a theist. Then I was like::awe::sneaky:

That's why I like this forum, you won't go to Hell for asking the "wrong" questions.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Yea atheists like their 5yr old logic.

Old one but a good one that relates.