God Metallica sucks

[BrokenVisage]

Pre-Apocalyptic Darth Metal > *

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: Special K

What's wrong with the mixing in AJFA?

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy
Inaudible bass and the snare is pretty 'click'-y.

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
They f'd up the bass, under-toning the guitar, but then emphasizing the kick drum. It's f'ing obvious to anybody that it's a poorly mixed album.

So you don't need a high-end audio system to notice things like this? Sometimes I feel like I have been too exposed to "modern", over-processsed music, because I didn't think AJFA sounded particularly different from their other albums of that era. I certainly wouldn't have been able to pick out the critiques you listed.

Heck, I didn't even realize what compression was, and to what extent it is used in music today until someone on AT posted some tracks on here with a high dynamic range.

Listening to MP3 will do that to ya

 

[1sikbITCH]

Originally posted by: dNor

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: 1sikbITCH
Still doesn't change my view that Metallica and Slayer are not even near the same genre of music. Speed metal |= hard rock (did I do that right?). That's like saying there is no difference between Hank Williams Jr and Gene Autry.

Which band is speed metal and which is hard rock?

Both were thrash, but both are pretty crappy now. I don't even know what Metallica would be called any more, just heavy metal? Hard rock? Who cares, though.

Slayer was speed metal. Metallica was never thrash, just "heavy metal" or as we used to call it in the MTV days "headbanging" music. They had 1 song that even approached thrash that I can remember (Battery). These days old and new Metallica both seem no heavier than just normal rock music to me. Both these bands should have quit back in the early 90's if you ask me.

Back when I was a teenager in the early 80's, I went to 2 Slayer shows (and quite a few other punk and speed metal bands) and Metallica a total of 4 times. At the Metallica shows the whole crowd played air guitar, banged their heads in unison to the beat, and cheered at the end of the song. There was always a few people acting like they were in a mosh pit but it was always really lame. The music was just too slow for that.

At the Slayer shows, it was completely different. The mosh pit could be the entire crowd. If you saw them at a bar, and you did not want to be in a mosh pit, you had better hide all the way in the back with the girls. Here is how it used to be at those thrash shows:
Everyone slowly circles each other as the first song starts, eying their adversaries as the adrenalin starts to surge, and then the chorus hits and that double bass starts pumping and the singer starts screaming and 1000 maniacal lunatics launch themselves at each other in a blood thirsty melee of elbows and shoulders. The whole fucking crowd is like a furious rage of humanity all jumping up and down screaming and smashing into each other. The energy level was so high at those shows that the band could have ordered us to kill someone and the whole crowd would have ripped their limbs from their body. It was insane. The ambulances they kept waiting at those shows were always put to use by people passing out or getting stomped on. In reality, mosh pits at Slayer were just too big. When people got hurt, they could not get out of the middle of the pit. I know, I was one of them.

The one concert I went to where Testament opened for Slayer was by far the best show out of the couple dozen I went to during those years. There was an Invitation only pit where people had won tickets from the local radio station and the rest of us had to stay up in the seats. They contained us for Testament, but by the time Slayer came out on stage those security people just got the hell out of the way. I got the shit kicked out of me in that mosh pit (broken rib, busted lip) but if I could relive that show all over again, I would not even hesitate.

I still crank up Slayer occasionally but it's hard to just listen to it. I have to control the urge to get up and start smashing stuff.

 

[Reckoner]

Originally posted by: 1sikbITCH

Originally posted by: dNor

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: 1sikbITCH
Still doesn't change my view that Metallica and Slayer are not even near the same genre of music. Speed metal |= hard rock (did I do that right?). That's like saying there is no difference between Hank Williams Jr and Gene Autry.

Which band is speed metal and which is hard rock?

Both were thrash, but both are pretty crappy now. I don't even know what Metallica would be called any more, just heavy metal? Hard rock? Who cares, though.

Slayer was speed metal. Metallica was never thrash, just "heavy metal" or as we used to call it in the MTV days "headbanging" music. They had 1 song that even approached thrash that I can remember (Battery). These days old and new Metallica both seem no heavier than just normal rock music to me. Both these bands should have quit back in the early 90's if you ask me.

Back when I was a teenager in the early 80's, I went to 2 Slayer shows (and quite a few other punk and speed metal bands) and Metallica a total of 4 times. At the Metallica shows the whole crowd played air guitar, banged their heads in unison to the beat, and cheered at the end of the song. There was always a few people acting like they were in a mosh pit but it was always really lame. The music was just too slow for that.

At the Slayer shows, it was completely different. The mosh pit could be the entire crowd. If you saw them at a bar, and you did not want to be in a mosh pit, you had better hide all the way in the back with the girls. Here is how it used to be at those thrash shows:
Everyone slowly circles each other as the first song starts, eying their adversaries as the adrenalin starts to surge, and then the chorus hits and that double bass starts pumping and the singer starts screaming and 1000 maniacal lunatics launch themselves at each other in a blood thirsty melee of elbows and shoulders. The whole fucking crowd is like a furious rage of humanity all jumping up and down screaming and smashing into each other. The energy level was so high at those shows that the band could have ordered us to kill someone and the whole crowd would have ripped their limbs from their body. It was insane. The ambulances they kept waiting at those shows were always put to use by people passing out or getting stomped on. In reality, mosh pits at Slayer were just too big. When people got hurt, they could not get out of the middle of the pit. I know, I was one of them.

The one concert I went to where Testament opened for Slayer was by far the best show out of the couple dozen I went to during those years. There was an Invitation only pit where people had won tickets from the local radio station and the rest of us had to stay up in the seats. They contained us for Testament, but by the time Slayer came out on stage those security people just got the hell out of the way. I got the shit kicked out of me in that mosh pit (broken rib, busted lip) but if I could relive that show all over again, I would not even hesitate.

I still crank up Slayer occasionally but it's hard to just listen to it. I have to control the urge to get up and start smashing stuff.

Kill 'em all wasn't thrash? Ride the Lightning wasn't thrash (albeit to a lesser extent)? The only thing I can agree with is they aren't as loud as they used to be (duh), but certainly anything from AJFA and year's past blows any current rock music away in terms of heaviness, or just flat out greatness.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Originally posted by: 1sikbITCH
Slayer was speed metal. Metallica was never thrash, just "heavy metal" or as we used to call it in the MTV days "headbanging" music. They had 1 song that even approached thrash that I can remember (Battery). These days old and new Metallica both seem no heavier than just normal rock music to me. Both these bands should have quit back in the early 90's if you ask me.

Back when I was a teenager in the early 80's, I went to 2 Slayer shows (and quite a few other punk and speed metal bands) and Metallica a total of 4 times. At the Metallica shows the whole crowd played air guitar, banged their heads in unison to the beat, and cheered at the end of the song. There was always a few people acting like they were in a mosh pit but it was always really lame. The music was just too slow for that.

At the Slayer shows, it was completely different. The mosh pit could be the entire crowd. If you saw them at a bar, and you did not want to be in a mosh pit, you had better hide all the way in the back with the girls. Here is how it used to be at those thrash shows:
Everyone slowly circles each other as the first song starts, eying their adversaries as the adrenalin starts to surge, and then the chorus hits and that double bass starts pumping and the singer starts screaming and 1000 maniacal lunatics launch themselves at each other in a blood thirsty melee of elbows and shoulders. The whole fucking crowd is like a furious rage of humanity all jumping up and down screaming and smashing into each other. The energy level was so high at those shows that the band could have ordered us to kill someone and the whole crowd would have ripped their limbs from their body. It was insane. The ambulances they kept waiting at those shows were always put to use by people passing out or getting stomped on. In reality, mosh pits at Slayer were just too big. When people got hurt, they could not get out of the middle of the pit. I know, I was one of them.

The one concert I went to where Testament opened for Slayer was by far the best show out of the couple dozen I went to during those years. There was an Invitation only pit where people had won tickets from the local radio station and the rest of us had to stay up in the seats. They contained us for Testament, but by the time Slayer came out on stage those security people just got the hell out of the way. I got the shit kicked out of me in that mosh pit (broken rib, busted lip) but if I could relive that show all over again, I would not even hesitate.

I still crank up Slayer occasionally but it's hard to just listen to it. I have to control the urge to get up and start smashing stuff.

Slayer's debut is arguably speed/thrash, like Metallica's debut, in that they were the first to cross the line from traditional/punk metal to thrash, but still contained remnants of the earlier days. Regardless Metallica and Slayer were the first two bands to release predominately thrash metal albums and as a result are certainly and undeniably thrash metal bands. By today's standards Metallica isn't really all that aggressive of a band, but you can't look at things like that or suddenly Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, and the other founders of metal become rock and roll. I don't see how anyone can call Whiplash (the song that coined the term 'thrash'), Fight Fire With Fire, Disposable Heroes, or Dyer's Eve no heavier than normal rock music.

 

[Vic]

Metallica after Black Album sucks.

Metallica before Black Album rules.

Otherwise, hating Metallica is like hating Led Zeppelin. Get over it.

 

[Vehemence]

Originally posted by: 1sikbITCH

Originally posted by: dNor

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: 1sikbITCH
Still doesn't change my view that Metallica and Slayer are not even near the same genre of music. Speed metal |= hard rock (did I do that right?). That's like saying there is no difference between Hank Williams Jr and Gene Autry.

Which band is speed metal and which is hard rock?

Both were thrash, but both are pretty crappy now. I don't even know what Metallica would be called any more, just heavy metal? Hard rock? Who cares, though.

Slayer was speed metal. Metallica was never thrash, just "heavy metal" or as we used to call it in the MTV days "headbanging" music. They had 1 song that even approached thrash that I can remember (Battery). These days old and new Metallica both seem no heavier than just normal rock music to me. Both these bands should have quit back in the early 90's if you ask me.

Slayer and Metallica were huge '80s thrash. In fact, Slayer, Metallica, Megadeth, and Anthrax were the "Big Four" of thrash. Calling them anything else is just silly.

Of course, people can call them whatever they want, really...like calling Slipknot death metal or something. :laugh: Some "purists" get a little too riled up in arguing genres.

 

[1sikbITCH]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Kill 'em all wasn't thrash? Ride the Lightning wasn't thrash (albeit to a lesser extent)? The only thing I can agree with is they aren't as loud as they used to be (duh), but certainly anything from AJFA and year's past blows any current rock music away in terms of heaviness, or just flat out greatness.

In my mind those albums were still too slow. Whiplash was pretty fast though. I had forgotten about that song.

But that's just my opinion. I know most people who weren't really into the hardcore and thrash scene tend to lump Metallica in with that genre, but those of us on the other side saw them only as a bridge between rock and thrash, and not really thrash. Kind of a weird punk elitism
I also view a lot of thrash metal and hardcore punk as being more closely related than heavy metal would be to thrash. Check out the Cromags, DRI, Anthrax, and even the Sex Pistols to see where I am coming from.

Both of those Metallica albums were still a lot edgier than anything else in the mainstream at the time and both of them are among my favorites, but in my mind they are just like a step faster than maybe Judas Priest or Iron Maiden was at the time. On a side note Judas Priest did put out an album that was every bit as heavy and crunchy as Metallica (Painkiller). That was one of my favorites from JP but I still love the older stuff.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Invisible Evil
So what bands exactly are better than Metallica? In the same genre of course.

Disturbed, System of a Down, Slipknot, Deftones, Godsmack, KoRn, Rob Zombie

Oh and before you play the "playing the guitar really fast means its good music" card...

Dragonforce.

Disturbed, no.
System of a down. You are fucking kidding me right? That whiny Serb can DIAF.
Slipknot, two drummers later, and they still suck.
Deftones, no.
Godsmack, that 5 ft nothing piece of shit singing about how tough and angry he is, laughable. However, I do like their tone, and their live stuff is pretty damn good.

Korn...they suck live.
Rob Zombie, I never understood the Zombie fetish, at the very most he had some 'catchy' tunes. And his movies suck.

Argue genres and semantics all you want, all of those are "heavier" bands that i like a lot more than Metallica. Yes, Rob Zombies movies are fucking awful.

 

[TwiceOver]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Invisible Evil
So what bands exactly are better than Metallica? In the same genre of course.

Disturbed, System of a Down, Slipknot, Deftones, Godsmack, KoRn, Rob Zombie

Oh and before you play the "playing the guitar really fast means its good music" card...

Dragonforce.

Disturbed, no.
System of a down. You are fucking kidding me right? That whiny Serb can DIAF.
Slipknot, two drummers later, and they still suck.
Deftones, no.
Godsmack, that 5 ft nothing piece of shit singing about how tough and angry he is, laughable. However, I do like their tone, and their live stuff is pretty damn good.

Korn...they suck live.
Rob Zombie, I never understood the Zombie fetish, at the very most he had some 'catchy' tunes. And his movies suck.

Argue genres and semantics all you want, all of those are "heavier" bands that i like a lot more than Metallica. Yes, Rob Zombies movies are fucking awful.

While I do enjoy the bands that you mention I don't think they are at the calibur that Metallica was at more than 10 years ago.

Disturbed: 1 album with maybe 2 good songs on it. The other albums suck.
SoaD: 1 AWESOME album, 2 MTV-ized sucky albums, 1 "meh" album
Slipknot: Handful of albums with maybe 2 good songs among them.
Deftones: no thanks.
Godsmack: Good Stuff! Unfortunately he sings about the same shit in every song.
Korn: Egos are TOO BIG! Listening to Fieldy (sp?) slosh around on the bass just annoys me.

Metallica 4.5 Awesome albums from start to finish. The rest is garbage.

 

[jfall]

I don't know why everyone hates on post black albums. I thought Black, Load and Reload were all good albums. I love their earlier stuff, but I also liked their newer stuff too. I didn't care for St. Anger though

 

[rh71]

If you think about it, MetallicA has tried new sounds on practically every album. Maybe they do it for themselves... the music, that is. Maybe they don't put fan's desires as top priority. Can't really expect fans to grow on the same level but really who's fault is that?

BTW, I saw in the missionmetallica link that they are behind only 1 band in sales since 2000 (wha??? yes, post-TBA)... The Beatles. Epic.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: TwiceOver
Disturbed: 1 album with maybe 2 good songs on it. The other albums suck.

Disagree. I like a lot of their stuff.

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: Invisible Evil
So what bands exactly are better than Metallica? In the same genre of course.

If we use their old CDs, it becomes tough. But using their new stuff? Heh. Edguy, Manticora, Ayreon, Blind Guardian, Buckethead, Einherjer, Finntroll, Green Carnation, Hellhammer, Helloween, Kalmah, Nightwish, Rhapsody, Sonata Arctica, Strapping Young Lad, Venom, Wintersun.

Metallica has lasted a long time, and they deserve credit for that. But when you want to listen to real Metallica, you listen to their early albums and nothing else. It's that simple. The band people loved is dead.

I'd also like to say that I try to separate what a person says from what they create. I certainly would see a Tom Cruise movie despite knowing he is batshit insane. However, something about what Metallica has done has really just annoyed me. You can even read the Metallica wikipedia article from Lars where he personally feels like they aren't sure they know what they did. They are a garage band that didn't realize that napster was sort of the garage band location of the future.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: Invisible Evil
So what bands exactly are better than Metallica? In the same genre of course.

If we use their old CDs, it becomes tough. But using their new stuff? Heh. Edguy, Manticora, Ayreon, Blind Guardian, Buckethead, Einherjer, Finntroll, Green Carnation, Hellhammer, Helloween, Kalmah, Nightwish, Rhapsody, Sonata Arctica, Strapping Young Lad, Venom, Wintersun.

Metallica has lasted a long time, and they deserve credit for that. But when you want to listen to real Metallica, you listen to their early albums and nothing else. It's that simple. The band people loved is dead.

I heard Metallica played a ton of their old sht at Bonnaroo (huge concert in Tennessee), like Whiplash and Battery. Also, on their Europe tour they were playing master of puppets from front to back, and their PR guy said on XM they're trying to go back to their older, heavier thrash sound with the new album. I don't give a dam what the critics say, I'll be the judge of the new album. Allegedly, only ONE song is less than 7 minutes! Although, I still won't buy their stuff b/c they're greedy d.bags.

 

[Coldkilla]

St. Anger ruined everything. I love all of their other stuff.

 

[Reckoner]

I, for one, can't wait to hear Death Magnetic